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Posted by: ekklesiawarrior 3 years, 3 months agoMuhammad feared he was demon-possessed but his wife Khadijah - the rich widow who was 40 when he married her at age 25 - devised a test. She would strip in front of the spirit and if it looked at her it must be evil. Koran does not record the answer to Khadijah's test !.
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ThePromisedOne
Aug. 22, 2006, 11:06 a.m.It is amazing how DESPERATE Evangelicals are in trying to prove ISLAM as a false religion. Yet they never analyze their own faith for the same charges. This man has not quoted ONE source to prove his point. He has first twisted what he is saying and he is doing it either intentionally or he is quite ignorant of ISLAMIC scripture and is unworthy to make statements or comments on them. His charge of Khadijah STRIPING. First of all where did he get this from the Quran never mentions KHADIJAH or any other wife not even Muhammads parents are mentioned, nor where Muhammad was buried. Muhammad is only mentioned 5 times in the entire Quran. JESUS is mentioned 25 times and MOSES is 136 times. Naturally if he wrote the book or had others do so he would have promoted himself but not even where and when he was born is mentioned yet JESUS birth is mentioned in 2 places. The chrage of muhammad being posessed or mad is debunked in chapters 7:184, 68:2, 81:22. Continuing with the charges made.....
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ThePromisedOne
Aug. 22, 2006, 11:36 a.m.Muhammad was not choked or strangled by the Spirit. He was squeezed tightly and was commanded to recite. This sprirt was ANGEL GABRIEL. A prophecy was fullfiled in the old testament about this incident
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ekklesiawarrior
Aug. 22, 2006, 11:40 a.m.Excuse us but your sources are askew.
Dr Sookhdeo was born as a Muslim, converted to Christian faith as an adult. His lectures are at University Level.
The context here are the history leading up tot he Koran.
The gentleman must be academic, as a key advisor within British Intelligence resources. Often a guest on British Radio and Television broadcasts.
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ThePromisedOne
Aug. 22, 2006, 11:48 a.m.And a book is delieved unto him that is NOT learned saying read this i pray thee and he saith I AM NOT LEARNED, Isaiah 29:12- The Quran, SAY" i am no bringer of new-fangled doctrine among the apostles, nor do i know what will be done with me(Muhammad) or with you (all people). I follow but that which is REVEALED to me by INSPIRATION; i am but a WARNER open and clear" Chapter 46:9. Also chapetr 53:4-18 and chapter 81:22-29. So here in Isaiah a book is being mentioned it cant be the bible because it is IN the Bible (the prophecy that is) It cant be referred to Jesus because he was not unlettered like the prophet Muhammad nor did Jesus ever utter something even close to that. The charge of Muhammad copying the bible, where did he do it whcih verse? Can you show ONE just ONE verse that is copied? Or where he learned his knowledge or was given that kowledge from jews and christians? If you make a statement bring forth facts and proof dont just ramble to deceive.
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ThePromisedOne
Aug. 22, 2006, 11:51 a.m.My sources are staright from the Quran how then are they askew? His conversion means nothing nor does his designation there are many Christian priets and bishops of all kinds and designations that have converted to ISLAM. Where are his sources he has not QUOTED EVEN ONCE.
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ThePromisedOne
Aug. 22, 2006, 11:58 a.m.If it is indeed history leading up to the Quran then he should be addressing it as so not RED HERRING arguments and STRAW MAN attacks. Where is it leading upto the Koran what context? I dont care what intelligence agency he has worked for or is currently woring for. His arguments are inacurate he is quoting blatently out of context.
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ekklesiawarrior
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:08 p.m.All we have done here was a quote from a lecture.
Certainly you have not seen the whole context from which that lecture was given within.
May we suggest you do some research as to Dr Sookhdeo.
Or perhaps attain qualifications equal to or surpassing his own.
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ThePromisedOne
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:27 p.m.The bible is a most unreliable source. Even your own bible scholars admit that the bible is written by UNKNOWN AUTHORS (read the commetaries) verses like The 1st apistle of JOhn Ch. 5 verse 7 i believe where is says that there are 3 that bear record in heaven The Father , The Son and the Holy Ghost and these 3 are 1. This very verse was thrown out by CHRISTIAN scholars 30 scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 co-operating demoninations tossed this verse out. The ONLY verse proving the TRINITY was thrwon OUT by CHRISTIANS not to appease the Muslims, Jews or anyother faith but by the CHRISTIANS this verse is a major example of the constant editing of the bible and its major forgeries...
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ThePromisedOne
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:33 p.m.I dont need qulaification equal to or surpassing his. SCripture is not ment only for the "elite" to understand and interpret it. If the context of the lecture was preIslam leading upto Islam he is OUT of CONTEXT. My dear friend i can give you ex-Christian scholars who have converted or reverted i should say to Islam that have amazing designations that can do the same that this "Dr." is doing. He is obviously ignorant of the Quran, If he is indeed any scholar on islam surely he would have known that none of the Prophets wives are mentioned ANYWHERE is because the Quran is not a narrative book like the BIBLE is. His arguments and statements are LOGICAL FALICIES of the highest magnitude.
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ThePromisedOne
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:40 p.m.The fact is this "DR" needs to help CHRISTIANS. SOLVE the greatest mystery of all..IS JESUS GOD. The answer is Given by JESUS countless number of times and he denyed it. JESUS never claimed to be GOD. There is not a SINGLE statement in the ENTIRE bible wjere JESUS says "i am GOD and worship me" not a SINGLE one yet you CHRISTIANS WORSHIP HIM. For now i have to leave but i will return later to continue this. I will read the rest of this "DR>" lecture and debunk it all with common sense.
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ekklesiawarrior
Aug. 22, 2006, 2:08 p.m.reply- pt1
Let's get one essential item squared away, we submitted an article for reading or review. The views of Citizensoldier are their own whom obviously given an abridged version of the lecture. As to Dr Sookhdeo, we have never met. He has his take, you have your take.
Now these next sentences are my own:
This servant has led not a few persons born within Islam, to reject the claims of the Koran, and denounce public manner the Prophet Muhammad.
Will give you a short take. West Berlin, 1978, while speaking a simple Gospel message, a lady cripple was shouting she was healed.
We asked her,
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ekklesiawarrior
Aug. 22, 2006, 2:10 p.m.reply- pt2
Three years later, word came to us he had pioneered a 'church' in an Islamic nation, to which we leave undisclosed.
Several there denounced the teaching of Muhammad.
“Very truly, I tell you, before Abraham was, I am.†John 8:58
This may be of interest to some reader as the same Greek term used in John in the Greek New Testament -
as in the Greek Septuagint
“I AM WHO I AM†Exodus 3:14
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