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  tryingtofindmyway

  Sept. 25, 2006, 12:44 p.m.

  "In his last speech, President Bush classified all Arabs and Muslims as fascists, terrorists and enemies of freedom." Right. How many times has Bush gone on record to say that Islam is a religion of peace that is only tainted by a few extremist factions. I know that off the wall Bush-bashing is totally acceptable these days, but that might be slightly overboard. Objectivity is a rare phenomenon these days.
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  Locky12

  Sept. 25, 2006, 1:31 p.m.

  That article was a lot of bunk! Yes, those Hamas prisoners should be released so they can fulfill their dreams of blowing up buses, pizzerias and discotechs. Oh, those barbarian Jews! And let's not forget those poor 19 9/11 hijackers. Their planes crashed and they died! Poor victims.

  I wish people would stop bringing up Abu Ghraib. The prisoners there just should have been beheaded because Arab Muslims like that better than being stacked in a pyramid or having a dog bark at them, or being kept up all night by loud music.

  Poor poor poor poor poor poor poor Arab Muslims. My keyboard is soaked with crocodile tears.
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  samsara15

  Sept. 25, 2006, 1:51 p.m.

  Arabs need to realize that a lot of their problems are the result of their own doings, and stop blaming everyone else. True, some of therir problems have come from outside, but mostly they dug their own hole.
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  2shannon2

  Sept. 25, 2006, 1:57 p.m.

  You are just proving the exact point she makes in the article. You cannot generalize an entire group of people. Some Americans are a**holes too, but that doesn't make us all that way. Please think logically!
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  quemara

  Sept. 25, 2006, 2:21 p.m.

  I don't think that all Muslims are bad. I don't like the idea of innocent children being killed for what adults are doing. I wish that the non-radical muslims would speak up. I know that there has to be some out there with the gut to do it. They need to rally together and help the fight against these radicals. I can't stand the fact that these radicals are hiding behind their religion for a means of war. This is not about religion.. this is about power and wealth. They don't care about the people who are dying whether they are Muslims or Christians or whoever else. If this was about religion and jihad, then the leaders of these groups would be in the battle.. not on the sidelines calling the shots... they want to see the riches if they were to win. They hate us for our freedom.. they hate that we speak our minds and are not controlled. That is what they want. They use religion (since it encompasses every aspect of their life) as an excuse...

  Why can't everyone see this???
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  Locky12

  Sept. 25, 2006, 3:49 p.m.

  And a Friday sermon broadcast on Fatah's PA TV swears vengeance on the Pope:

  "The second message is for the criminal Benedict the 16th, the Vatican Pope. For this ignorant and stupid Pope, who has no one to attack besides Islam and the Prophet, may the Creator have mercy on him and protect him. He characterized Islam as a cruel religion, and characterized Muhammad, may the Creator have mercy on him and protect him, as a cruel man, spilling blood, who strove to kill. This hostile Pope refuses to apologize to Muslims; and, instead of apologizing he blames the Muslims for not understanding, thereby adding crime upon crime. This arrogant Pope sees the Muslims as too inferior that he should apologize to them. To this arrogant Pope - criminal and arrogant - this message is from Allah the Elevated and the Exalted, as it was said: 'Think not that Allah is unaware of what the wicked do. He but gives them a respite until a day when eyes will stare (in terror).' [Sura14:42]"
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  ujmi

  Sept. 25, 2006, 3:50 p.m.

  quemara, I would agree with few points of yours.

  As a Muslim, I do accept that we have large flaws in ourself and that leads us to be victimized by other nations and yes that article says it rightly that we (not Arab, but collectively Muslims) are not even allowed to than being declared a victim! Our problems start with our leader ship, there is no leadership at all to look upto! Mahatir Muhammad was one man but now he is off the power, maybe its time Muslims start realizing that they need a more vocal within themselves political force which is not like Arab rulers leaning towards western policies, or like Burunie's Sultan soaking in his own nationalism and wealth, but emerge as a more of a welfare nation which Islam actually professes.
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  Locky12

  Sept. 25, 2006, 3:56 p.m.

  DEARBORN, United States (AFP) - During what should be a joyous time of fellowship, worship and reflection, many Muslims streamed into the Islamic Center of America on the first night of Ramadan with heavy hearts.

  Sick of the suspicious glances, slurs and false accusations of being terrorists, they feel like second-class citizens in their own country.

  "I feel comfortable at home but once I leave there, and leave my community, I feel like I'm in a whole different atmosphere right now," 18-year-old Zeinab Zahreldin, a freshman at the University of Michigan-Dearborn, told AFP late Saturday. "It's not at all comfortable"
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  Locky12

  Sept. 25, 2006, 3:57 p.m.

  Daily protests occur in Dearborn. At one recent demonstration, organized by the Congress of Arab-Americans, about 1,000 people attended. College-age men asked, in call and response fashion, "Who is your army?" Protestors responded: "Hezbollah." "Who is your leader?" they were asked. "Nasrallah," the chanters responded. Many carried placards of the Hezbollah leader. A few days earlier at an even larger demonstration, more than 15,000 turned out, about half of Dearborn's Arab community.

  Those who regularly attend the demonstrations tend to be the most strident.

  "Oh, Jews, remember Khaibar," the marchers chant. "The army of the Prophet will return."
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  Locky12

  Sept. 25, 2006, 4:02 p.m.

  Arabs Muslims are too busy being militant to be victims. The silent peaceful ones MUST STAND AND BE COUNTED! Are you good citizens or are you faithful members of this "religion"?

  You can't be both!
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  Bobcat6

  Sept. 25, 2006, 4:13 p.m.

  Well whose fault is it that these abductions are not broadcast? I don't know. I know that most problems the Arabs have are caused by the Arabs themselves but they want U to believe it's either the fault of Israel or the U.S.A. After torturing people to death, murdering nuns, and decapitations, I'm really hard pressed to feel even a twinge of sympathy for any Arab who's been kidnapped and harmed in some way. Perhaps if the Muslims who are "not a problem" would voice their opposition to militant Muslims in a louder voice then I would open my mind more. If the Muslims would demonstrate that they do know another word besides "jihad" then I would open my mind more. If the Muslims would bury the hatchet w/Israel, like Egypt did, then I would open my mind more. I mean if Egypt could do it then anyone can. Muslims prolong a hatred and war for some reason I can't understand and seem to content to prolong it until hell freezes over. But they can't.
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  frenchsurrender

  Sept. 25, 2006, 4:27 p.m.

  yeh yeh yeh,

  One more piece of trite from an Arab 'intellectual'. The camel riders have been acting as victims when someone talks the truth about them (pope) but refuse responsibility for murder racism genocide and so on. But let them act as victims it prevents the devils from inventing something as simple as a toaster, imagine if the suckers could actually do something useful we all be in real trouble.
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  Locky12

  Sept. 25, 2006, 4:32 p.m.

  Diogenes12, what I posted is not propaganda, but news, one is an actual broadcast in the Palestinian Authority regarding the Pope, and the other is an actual news report from Dearborn, Michigan.

  There was a "roadmap" to peace in which Isreal ceded land to the PA and got nothing in return except some soldiers kidnapped. The PA refuses to live in peace with Israel, they just want them dead. When the PA elected Hamas as their leader, they Israel a favor, they took the mask off and openly agreed with what Israel knew all along. Blowing up commuter buses filled with Jews is a good thing, and the fence between the PA and Israel is a racist thing.

  Around and around we go.
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  ujmi

  Sept. 25, 2006, 4:39 p.m.

  Locky, I am a follower of Islam and I would say a rather fundamentalist follower, I am a good professional person who is contributing to society in some good ways too (I am sure I don't want to elaborate that here to anyone, thats between me and my Allah). I dont have any police records, my credits are clean, my business is running good and what would I complain about! So I am sorry but your assertion that either I need to be a good citizen or a good Muslim is very wrong.

  And btw thank you for your Private Message, I have replied to that too. And yes I will still ask the question, will you accept to leave Catholicism to start with if I can show you the dark history it has? I am sure its worse than being a pedophile for sure!

  Kind regards.
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  kboy

  Sept. 25, 2006, 4:49 p.m.

  "McCarthyistic campaign aiming to prevent them from feeling victims and to prevent any sympathy with their sufferings and causes" is a heck of a statement.I think it should be more like: A lack of condemnation of fanatics attacking non-Islamic people will make the Islamic people more isolated.

  I do not feel this includes all Arabs, but does include Islam

  fanatics.

  Arabs will have to choose between civilized behavor and endorsement of fanatics. This is what will set world opinion.
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  oldgringo

  Sept. 25, 2006, 4:52 p.m.

  Diogenes:

  A truly "honest" man recognizes that the fault in most disputes rarely lies on one side. Your anti-semitic rants are getting old. You're so blinded by your hate of jews that you look for articles that support your misguided theories rather than search for the truth. You are no Diognenes. Not even close.
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  sailor91

  Sept. 25, 2006, 4:59 p.m.

  if this is victimization, i would like to see how a real victim feels, they lambaste the Pope, they don't take criticism to well, they scream only with demonstration and killing their own to show how "they mean it", victims yeah. maybe next time.
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  freeinquirer

  Sept. 25, 2006, 5:05 p.m.

  I am glad to read comments like yours diogenes12. A major problem that the world has now and always had is lack of humanity and the abundance of racial and religious superiority complexes coupled with enormous ignorance. People should simply know that as long as we don't know what the supernatural is then all these religious faiths are the same mythology-based stuff that we ourselves created to desperately plead to imaginary gods for avoiding disasters and bad things to happen to us . People have to know that these things will stop happening only when we KNOW how prevent them. The clear example is when Pateur discovered the vaccine against rabies. The entire thing is the EFFORT being made by ourselves.
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  jordan11

  Sept. 25, 2006, 5:10 p.m.

  wish people would stop bringing up Abu Ghraib. The prisoners there just should have been beheaded because Arab Muslims like that better than being stacked in a pyramid or having a dog bark at them, or being kept up all night by loud music.>>>>

  JC! What is wrong with you? Most of the prisoners in Abu Ghraib were no more 'terrorists' than you are! But you know, come to think of it, from the disgusting remarks you make.....maybe you are.
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  Bombadil-YO

  Sept. 25, 2006, 5:12 p.m.

  *yawn*

  Of course Arabs can't be the victims! They must submit, they must surrender! I mean, doesn't Islam mean surrender? All Arabs should feel satisfied being relagated as nothing more than the West's slaves and oil cash cows! What is the nerve of this article daring to depict Middle Easterns as something close to human? Because it is obviously that they are the victims! It is them who have suffered countless of sabotages, wars in their regions, assassinations, intolerance, rejection, demonization, and to this day are being constantly bombarded with several tons of of missiles and bullets! It is them whose children have violated, forced to go into an 8 year war with their neighbors resulting in more than million deaths!--- That is what the ignorant, boorish American public think.

  Please America, pull your heads out of your asses and assume responsibility for screwing the world around. Can't you understand that perfect example of this is the Iraqi war?
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  Bombadil-YO

  Sept. 25, 2006, 5:15 p.m.

  The effect of my post was ruined.... substitued them with US, after "Because it..."

  Here is the truth of criminal, sociopathic, genocidal outline of USA interventions in the Middle East, and other parts of the world.

  http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-159.html

  http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6308.htm

  http://www.isreview.org/issues/15/blood_for_oil.shtml
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  Bombadil-YO

  Sept. 25, 2006, 5:19 p.m.

  http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0210-07.htm

  http://www.lossless-audio.com/usa/index0.php?page=476154763.htm

  http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa02.html

  Really, cut the crap America. You have no right to experience self-pity. Our history of international policy is downright inhumane, from training death squads, to destroying nations to nuking a nation. And people wonder why anti-Americanism is so wide-spread. The thing is that we are too downright arrogant to see beyond ourselves.
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  sailor91

  Sept. 25, 2006, 5:20 p.m.

  "When Jewish independence came to an end in the year 70, the population numbered, at a conservative estimate, some five million people. (By Josephus' figures, there were nearer seven million.) Even sixty years after the destruction of the Temple, at the outbreak of the revolt led by Bar Kochba in 132, when large numbers had fled or been deported, the Jewish population of the country must have numbered at least three million, according to Dio Cassius' figures. Seventeen centuries later, when the practical possibility of the return to Zion appeared on the horizon, Palestine was a denuded, derelict, and depopulated country. The writings of travellers who visited Palestine in the late eighteenth and throughout the nineteenth century are filled with descriptions of its emptiness, its desolation.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

  take a look if you need more info.
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  sailor91

  Sept. 25, 2006, 5:27 p.m.

  diogenes12:

  sorry guy most of the stuff you quoe is from indevidual site that have nothing to do with truth, is a peronal agenda

  i guess everyone has their own propaganda,
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  sailor91

  Sept. 25, 2006, 5:30 p.m.

  Bombadil-YO:

  i am for proposing that we in the States go back to ISOLATIONISIM and screw the world. oh what did it get us last time we tried it, a world war, and an other world war, so what now.???

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