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The DEA's own Administrative Law Judge Francis Young comments on marijuana's relative safety and advises that marijuana be rescheduled.

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Zeitgeist
Nov. 12, 2006, 11:56 a.m.
Hmmm...good question....send me a pound and I'll get back to you...

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  mrsajones
  Nov. 13, 2006, 10:28 a.m.
  ROFLMAO....
  Yep, I'm with Zeitgeist....
  But I can't get back to ya until the pizza is gone and I wake up from my nap!
  
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    winstons-myth
    Nov. 13, 2006, 11:17 a.m.
    Me too although it seems that I am going to need at least THREE pounds!!!
    Hey, it's all in the name of science!
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  m-simon
  Nov. 13, 2006, 11:05 a.m.
  The latest news from 1988? Netscape is right up there with the latest.
  In any case chronic users (is that a pun? could be) may be self medicating for PTSD:
  http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/09/addiction-or-self-medication.html
  and a more detailed look:
  http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/11/is-addiction-real.html
  and a bit about the CB1 receptor:
  http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2006/04/ptsd-and-endocannabinoid-system.html
  Do Republicans support drug prohibition because it finances criminals or because it finances terrorists?
  Republican Socialism. Price supports for criminals and terrorists.
  Of course there are quite a few Democrats who are socialists on the issue as well.
  
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    jeffery1
    Nov. 13, 2006, 12:14 p.m.
    Seems more like they don't like nor understand the human animal. At the core is the fact that people like to get high, and have their preferred drug such as alcohol or pot or heroin. They don't like people doing things that they don't think are very proper or some such nonsense.
    Drug use should be the purview of the medical prefession, not law enforcement except for certain behavior under the influence such as driving while intoxicated.
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, noon
"Yet ,despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers,there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death."
The only death I've ever heard of from marijuana was a guy running from the cops who tried to swallow his baggie.

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  m-simon
  Nov. 13, 2006, 11:24 a.m.
  We are losing 2,000 innocents a year from the drug war crossfire.
  Double what we are losing in Iraq. Right here in America.
  So where are our Oh So Progressive Democrat politicians on the issue?
  AWOL.
  Why isn't an exit strategy being demanded? A time table.
  
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    jeffery1
    Nov. 13, 2006, 11:46 a.m.
    Legalize it. The reason that people are dying in the assinine "war on drugs" is simply because it's illegal, people want to get high, and the profits are therefore higher than if it was legal. Didn't anyone learn anything from prohibition?
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, 12:03 p.m.
" By contrast,Aspirin,a commonly used over the counter drug,causes hundreds of deaths each year."

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  Zeitgeist
  Nov. 12, 2006, 12:42 p.m.
  I want scientific evidence...so send me a pound...hell...make it two...
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, 12:42 p.m.
" In strict medical terms,marijuana is far safer that many foods we commonly consume"
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greenmac
Nov. 12, 2006, 12:47 p.m.
Hey Mtmn...how are you?
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, 12:52 p.m.
hey green!
just keeping up the good fight lol!
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, 12:53 p.m.
ziet
ask the cops...they have the best stuff.

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  Zeitgeist
  Nov. 12, 2006, 12:55 p.m.
  Bah...
  I'm an electrician..and I swear...I've never wired up a grow room for anyone...
  (did that sound convincing enough?)
  *grin*
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1basque1
Nov. 12, 2006, 12:58 p.m.
Lets not forget the amount of money that is spent every year to keep non-violent hemp smokers in jail.Would rather see my tax dollors spent on securing the nation from the real terrorist.

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  jordan11
  Nov. 12, 2006, 4:01 p.m.
  Lets not forget the amount of money that is spent every year to keep non-violent hemp smokers in jail.Would rather see my tax dollors spent on securing the nation from the real terrorist.>>>>>
  Absolutely. This 'ban' on marijuana is ridiculous. Alcohol is far more dangerous a drug than pot is.
  
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    Eagle_Eye
    Nov. 12, 2006, 6:47 p.m.
    jordan11, don't forget the over the counter cigarettes that you can smoke, the ones that kill you and costs us billions in health care. It is all a racket!!
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    Eagle_Eye
    Nov. 13, 2006, 10:14 a.m.
    Amen froggy, MJ is a holy spirit, "the tree of life whos leaves heal all nations" as stated in the Bible.
    I think we should start with the UN, get them all high, then to Iraq, Middle East and give all the terroists "brownies". After that proceed to the House, Senate and the White House.
    
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      mrsajones
      Nov. 13, 2006, 10:36 a.m.
      I've never thought of weed as the "tree of life whose leaves heal all nations," -- in fact, I have no idea where in scripture that is -- but I do know that in the Book of Genesis God gave man "use of all seed bearing plants and herbs."
      :-)
      Yeah, I'm a right-wing, Christian, pro-life, anti-tax, pro-gun Republican and shhhhh.... I wouldn't let a bong pass me by at a party... LOL (I'm sure I'm not the only one...) LOL
      PS: It's disgusting that prison is full of pot smokers while child rapists live in every neighborhood. It's disgusting that these freaking idiots sipping a martini think their drug is okay... The wrong drug is outlawed... No one smokes a joint and goes home to beat their wife & kids, no one smokes a joint and gets in their car and kills the family in that mini-van they slam into when running a red light. No one smokes a joint and goes to rob a 7-11. Nope, usually we order a pizza and fall asleep on the couch... LOL
      
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        smokeyhustler
        Nov. 13, 2006, 10:51 a.m.
        No ******, 7-11 usually robs us! Those jerks make a killing on butterfingers!!
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        Eagle_Eye
        Nov. 13, 2006, 12:12 p.m.
        It is mentioned in Revelations, since I am moving I have already packed my bible and concordance. But you are also right in Genesis God gave us the use of the plants and herbs.
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        Zeitgeist
        Nov. 13, 2006, 6 p.m.
        BINGO.....same here...
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  rockmama
  Nov. 13, 2006, 12:24 a.m.
  Absolutely!!
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, 1:01 p.m.
admittedly,this is not new information.In 1988 after years of court battles with the DEA to reschedule marijuana,the DEA was ordered by a federal court to consider rescheduling.The DEA's Judge Francis Young was directed to determine the facts and make a recommendation.After ruling that the DEA's policies were "arbitrary and capricious",Judge Youngs recommendation was to reschedule,a ruling that was then completely ignored by the DEA.Almost 20 years later,the facts remain true,yet we have wasted billions more in the failed war on drugs.

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  greenmac
  Nov. 12, 2006, 1:04 p.m.
  Wasted money and wasted careers of the young people charged with simple possesion.
  
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    m-simon
    Nov. 13, 2006, 11:10 a.m.
    The drug war costs us at least $50 bn a year.
    Twenty years of that is a trillion dollars.
    Not exactly chump change.
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  Eagle_Eye
  Nov. 12, 2006, 6:48 p.m.
  The DEA is in fear for their jobs, they don't want to lose the agency. I think they should be merged with ATF and call them DAFT...lol
  
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    Eagle_Eye
    Nov. 13, 2006, 10:18 a.m.
    
    The DEA would better serve with the ATF and put them all into Homeland Security. Then America would be safer worrying about our countries well being instead of the non criminal pot heads is a better way to save America.
    Our jails are so over crowded and a huge tax burden on us the tax payer. Empty the jails of the MJ offenders and we will save millions of dollars not to mention have room for the real criminal offenders.
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    mrsajones
    Nov. 13, 2006, 11:10 a.m.
    I have a t-shirt that says,
    Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms: Should be a Convenience Store, not a Government Agency.
    :-)
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, 1:08 p.m.
The largest study ever done was requested by Reagan when he first took office.The study was conducted by the National Academy of Sciences and after dispelling most of the proclaimed health risks,went on to conclude that a policy of partial prohibition (decriminalization) or regulation (legalization) were more effective than complete prohibition.
Reagan then tried to stop the publication of the study and went right into the "just say no" era of propaganda and disinformation.
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bubba2
Nov. 12, 2006, 1:11 p.m.
The whole 'war on drugs' is hypocritical hubris and a HUGE waste of our taxpayers' money.
I came to the conclusion years ago that marijuana and other drugs are still illegal because too many politicians get campaign contributions that is laundered money from drug kinpins who get filthy rich off of tax-free profits.
(I totally abhorr the use of dogs, cats, and other domestic animals for this type of 'research' (cram lethal dosages in them to see what happens ...). That aside, the evidence is astounding and so is the way the government ignores that evidence.)

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  Zeitgeist
  Nov. 12, 2006, 1:16 p.m.
  See...we do agree on something...feaky eh?
  
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    bubba2
    Nov. 12, 2006, 1:44 p.m.
    Not too freaky ... kinda nice .. . :-)
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  zaphod
  Nov. 12, 2006, 8:13 p.m.
  Did anyone ask the dog? He probably got a major case of munchies and went on a killing spree looking for doggy treats.
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  mrsajones
  Nov. 13, 2006, 11:14 a.m.
  i totally think you're right.
  i think the so-called "war on drugs" is the easiest way for gub'ment to trample on the Bill of Rights, just about all of the original ten. ...and there should never be any testing of any kind on animals -- that's what we should do with child rapists... use them as lab rats.
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  m-simon
  Nov. 13, 2006, 11:14 a.m.
  It is really worse than that. Some people think that Wall Street is proped up with hot money.
  http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2005/02/why-we-must-not-end-prohibition.html
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, 1:20 p.m.
I think this is something that all can agree on...isn't it the very definition of conservative to not waste billions on a failed policy of federal govt intrusion into the peoples lives?Dont conservatives believe in individual responsibility and state rights?
The war on drugs is a failed govt policy that costs billions and is ineffective.
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Zeitgeist
Nov. 12, 2006, 2:11 p.m.
Hmmm...that leads to another question...
Could the munchies cause death by cheese nachos?
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, 2:13 p.m.
In the Judges findings it states that eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response...shall we call in the potato police?

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  Zeitgeist
  Nov. 12, 2006, 2:15 p.m.
  Spud busters!
  Not only that...potatos can be made leathal with a potato gun...
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, 2:18 p.m.
I can hear the new govt propaganda now...The PPP Project...Protect the People from Potatoes Project...by the way,we need another billion.

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  ind06
  Nov. 12, 2006, 5:40 p.m.
  The War On Tubers!
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bubba2
Nov. 12, 2006, 3:05 p.m.
LMAO!!! Does show how ridiculous the marijuana ban is compared to TONS of legal 'stuff' that can kill you!
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not2needy
Nov. 12, 2006, 4:46 p.m.
If there were such a thing as lethal dosages of MJ, i would have OD'd in the 70's. LOL.
It should be legalized.
I no longer indulge, but i would rather be around people high on pot than drunk. UGH, nothing worse than being around a drunk!
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dandydebwhitener
Nov. 12, 2006, 5:32 p.m.
WE can change this law if we stand together,someone has to start,we can talk all day about how the law should be changed but untill some one stands it does not help a thing..When this person stands we have to stand with him,it wont be easy because people are going to try to make you look like your a bad person, but we cannot be stoped---IF WE STAND AS ONE.....GOD BLESSING TO ALL.

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  ConquerorWyrm
  Nov. 13, 2006, 1:17 a.m.
  I'm trying...honest, to type it up in a way I think looks good and I do hope my the format is good, but I got something I'm gonna be handing out here in a very short time for ya'll to review and tell me how I can make it better...(the missus's shed is, with lashes across my back, taking precedence)
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  m-simon
  Nov. 13, 2006, 11:16 a.m.
  So where are the great refoming Democrat politicians on the issue?
  AWOL.
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, 5:35 p.m.
Page 54-Discussion in the judges ruling states "marijuana has a currently accepted medical value in the United States"
The govt has known this for a long time but even the Clinton administration's official line was that "marijuana has no medical value".
The govt is still denying its medical value and sending federal agents to arrest dying people in states where it is legal.
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, 5:38 p.m.
The best way we can stand as one is to support groups that are already established like NORML.org and stopthedrugwar.org
These groups have made much progress in fact they were the ones responsible for the DEA being forced to consider rescheduling in this case.
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, 5:39 p.m.
The Green Party is the best as far as candidates.
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samsara15
Nov. 12, 2006, 5:40 p.m.
When will this nation come to its senses and decriminalize marijuana? The whole war on drugs is a tragic farce and has done far more harm to people than drugs ever did.
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ind06
Nov. 12, 2006, 5:43 p.m.
I know there are "mean drunks" but I've never been around a mean stoner, not have I ever heard it said of someone. "He's a nice guy, but when he gets stoned, run for cover!"
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mntnman444
Nov. 12, 2006, 5:44 p.m.
This has alot to do with job security for the DEA.
When Clinton suggested dismantling the DEA and merging them with the FBI,they had a fit!
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dandydebwhitener
Nov. 12, 2006, 5:46 p.m.
YEARS ago I sent money each mo.but after about two years I stop,I will ck in to this again.But we need a force,we need to be seen saying change this law.We have to start a fire in our own hearts..