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Posted by: spkguy 2 years, 11 months agoGeorge Bush and Co. making there own case for war. (not surprising) The main stream media and press failed to do its own job.(not surprising) Members of congress failing to put the two together. (also not surprising) But how the American people can tolerate being lied to at worst and at minimum, misled. Makes you wonder if the American people can
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Spadecaller
Dec. 30, 2006, 1:48 a.m.The complicity of the main stream press has more to do with dismantling our democracy then even George W. Bush.
Some of us have held the belief, as I do, the fourth unofficial branch of government that also provides an invaluable set of checks and balances is the media.
Due to mergers and consolidation, corporate control of the media has led to the break down of true investigative reporting and the ability for Americans to get different perspectives on the news leaving Washington has been severely compromised.
This is an excellent story. Thanks spkguy!
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Gatsby
Dec. 30, 2006, 11:04 a.m.You have hit the nail squarely on the head, spadecaller. If the media had not abandoned its true calling, investigative journalism, the Bush-Rove alliance would not have been so succeesful. In fact, they probably wouldn't hasve made it to Washinngton. But due to all the mergers, we get the likes of Fox News and a few others spreading the White House word and spinning the news in Bush's favor.
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jordan11
Dec. 30, 2006, 2:13 p.m.It was recognizable, years ago, that the main street press had left its roots of investigative reporting. That's when I turned to PBS, and began making yearly donations to help keep them going. STILL, Americans turn to CNN, ABC, CBS, FOX, etc., for their information, and many feel that if they don't report it, it isn't true. VERY scary that we've put that kind of trust into the hands of a few. Scarier still, that some won't even consider information outside of our media to be viable.
I could feel the concern and frustration of that reporter coming through the 'you tube' video. What's the tipping point to get people to pay attention further than clicking on the 6:00 news?
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spkguy
Dec. 30, 2006, 4:29 p.m.So let me get this strait. Because they are,(PBS) and for the most part publicly funded, you place no value in there news reporting, and in turn totally dismiss it.
I don't by that logic, because the truth should be
non-partisan.
rich4810, did you even watch it?
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betruthful
Dec. 30, 2006, 8:35 p.m.Bought by corporations. Do you think the outlets that are completely owned by corporations have more leeway to air what they please? The facts that are reported by the PBS's are called biased by you because the actual facts very very rarely support the bogus Bush agenda.. rich you can't possibly believe what you posted.
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spkguy
Dec. 30, 2006, 2:36 a.m."Graham has good reason to complain. According to the New York Times, he was one of the few members of the Senate who saw the national intelligence estimate that was the basis for Bush's decisions. After reviewing it, Graham requested that the Bush administration declassify the information before the Senate voted on the administration's resolution requesting use of the military in Iraq. But rather than do so, CIA Director Tenet merely sent Graham a letter discussing the findings. Graham then complained that Tenet's letter only addressed "findings that supported the administration's position on Iraq," and ignored information that raised questions about intelligence. In short, Graham suggested that the Administration, by cherrypicking only evidence to its own liking, had manipulated the information to support its conclusion."
Why, this story and ones like it, just did not get the attention they deserved.
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betruthful
Dec. 30, 2006, 8:44 p.m.Spkguy - You are exactly right. Yet the Bush sheep keep saying " they all had the same intel and voted to attack Iraq". thank God these people are now in the small minority.
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Amazing1
Dec. 30, 2006, 9:19 a.m.Thank you for posting this. We need more journalists who will tell the truth. Unfortunately, you will probably not see the truth on corporate owned media, and certainly not on Fox.
Whatever happened to those rules about consolidation of the media?
And where is our Congress. It seems they spend there time collecting contributions for the next elections and the real issues be damned.
As Eisenhower said, we need an informed citizenry. And we need it NOW.
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Teech
Dec. 30, 2006, 5:47 p.m.From Amazing1: "Whatever happened to those rules about consolidation of the media?"
The Reagan administration dismantled all laws governing ownership of media. Prior to that, there were strict federal guidelines which prevented the present system of just THREE individuals (all Republicans, by coincidence?) owning all commercial media outlets. Reagan also deregulated energy...saying in his speech that it "would lower the prices and increase the supply" The OPEC cartel ALWAYS has controlled the supply, and you know what has happened to prices. Reagan knew what he was doing, because, don't forget, Reagan, just like Bush, had lots of campaign finance favors from big oil to pay back. The national debt also spiraled out of control during the Reagan era...he, like Dumbya, promised smaller government and increased it exponenially.
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AnvilHead
Dec. 30, 2006, 2:47 p.m.Good question Masked Protester, since all existance is transitional and all things in a state of, "Becoming", perhaps we could return to a time of "Becoming" better and not the current one of "Becoming" worse.
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hamy
Dec. 30, 2006, 12:05 p.m.The problem with the mainstream media is that the president has cut access to those who have published bad stories about his administration. That is why we have to have Public Broadcasting. Their access to the president has been extremely limited because of their publishing facts that the president didn't like. And, yet they still present one of the most unbiased looks at our country from both inside and out.
That is the problem with the current administration is that they are vindictive.
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Illuminate
Dec. 30, 2006, 12:55 p.m.All generalizations are incorrect, including this one.
~Wisdom of the Illuminati
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gripper
Dec. 30, 2006, 12:36 p.m.Oh Bin Ladden..Where art thou...........lm hiding under George Bush Sr. desk at his Texas ranch eating 4 square meals a day you idiots.
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Illuminate
Dec. 30, 2006, 12:57 p.m.Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you frantic.
All generalizations are incorrect, including this one.
~Wisdom of the Illuminati
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gripper
Dec. 30, 2006, 12:40 p.m.WAR MEANS NONEY...Sincerly GW BU$H. Saddam wasnt hung, he was silenced!
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Akamoke
Dec. 30, 2006, 5:39 p.m.Hmm,sounds like you wish we were in Sadam's Iraq where dissenting views can be eradicated....otherwise, why the cynical reference to "isn't it nice tolive in a country where you can say that.."..I mean if we have to start comparing ourselves to Sadam's Iraq, then our standards have dropped
Ironically this is a thread on issues sorrounding media censorship
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LeftTurn
Dec. 30, 2006, 5:55 p.m.We're still waiting for your biased examples from PBS Rich...
It's funny how you sound and act exactly the way you accuse liberals of, but worse. This coward blocked me by the way because after one searing letter of reality, he went crying home to his mum. Guess no one likes hearing the truth. Your own president started this crap by calling Americans who didn't support his lies un-American, so suck it up, you are responsible for it.
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betruthful
Dec. 30, 2006, 8:53 p.m.Iran is democratic! so I guess if M.E. countries simply vote in who they prefer our problems are solved. BTW they just voted against Ahmadinajahds party in local elections.
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FrankieT
Dec. 30, 2006, 1:18 p.m.MP - when the Constitution was a respected document, when freedom of speech meant just what it says; not freedom to speak as long as you agree with me, when voicing real concern about your governments actions would not be considered traitorous. When Americans were not defending spying on other Americans with statements like, 'if you have nothing to hide, why worry?' When war heros of either party are trashed to allow a non server to become our President; a man who has never released all his records. Congree at least tried to work together for some mutual good. (OK, probably not a lot of tht but better than it is today with them serving themselves - not us.)
The corporations have always been there but seem to have mor einfluence under this administration. (Opinion)
ciao
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bobshotme
Dec. 30, 2006, 1:27 p.m.Its sad you blame bush for the war, yet leave out the fact MANY dems in office are to blame too...pathetic.
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hamy
Dec. 30, 2006, 5:44 p.m.You are CRAZY! Bush pushed this war past congress by telling everyone that you are a terrorist if you don't vote for it to go through. Bush and his administration pushed the war past the UN without heeding their warnings. Bush and his administration pushed the war by the American people by lying through that disgusting display by Colin Powell.
No one but George W. Bush is to blame for this war. PERIOD!
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LeftTurn
Dec. 30, 2006, 8:15 p.m.Please enlighten us Bob, I for one will be checking back. if you have a strong resource corroberating your findings, by all means, make your case.
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betruthful
Dec. 30, 2006, 8:58 p.m.What do you do, Bob, when you hear the facts about the intel not being given to congress straight, close your eyes and make noises, with your fingers in your ears. The correct intel was NOT made available.
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gripper
Dec. 30, 2006, 2:01 p.m.Bobshotspot: when l say Bush, that means all of his cronnies included, being Republican or Democratic...they all scratch each others backs at times.
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NelsonR
Dec. 30, 2006, 2:29 p.m.How refreshing to see a story that is neither bashed by logic or sincere rhetoric of the left or right. As a staunch independent who votes and develops opinions based on the issues at hand, I for one appreciate the article posted. President Bush has been a detriment to the values that America has earned over the years. The one analogy that I can finalize with is the Fall of the Roman Empire. President Bush and his inner circle of corrupt officials and corporate greed will at least ensure themselves, as Congress has, a bright and rich future for themselves.
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schmirt
Dec. 30, 2006, 2:33 p.m.We did not connect the dots to stop 9/11. The government connected dots to conclude a WMD threat from Iraq and this threat was discredited after invasion. All other rationales were ignored. The voices of opposition in the UN were discredited when it was found they were corrupted with an oil for food scandal. When a lot of people believed there was a direct connection between Iraq and 9/11, the press appeared to have failed to inform the public. Now we supposed to believed the lie that the Bush administration claimed a direct Iraq and 9/11 connection. Now with less evidence, we are told by the internet to believe that 9/11 was a government conspiracy.
The disputes over WMD have long since come out. Even government funded TV has covered this. Bush was wrong and right about many things and stood to account in 2004. History will judge.
We can cherry pick history to create our own version of events. The main stream press has been a joke for 25 years. This web site is a joke.
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gripper
Dec. 30, 2006, 2:35 p.m.Being elected into office these dys just means winning a lottery...after 4 years you have the option to take the money and run!
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gripper
Dec. 30, 2006, 2:41 p.m.SEARCH FOR BIN LADDEN was aired 5 months ago only to make GW Bush look good...why didnt they search George Bush Sr. texas ranch? Bin Laddens swimming in Bush Sr. pool everday and doing the maid.
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ElectricTalk
Dec. 30, 2006, 2:54 p.m.Pacifistic Views Will Be Our Demise
When will we finally realize that a large percentage of the Islam faith has declared war against us and anyone who does not believe in their misguided beliefs? Prominent Islam leaders from around the world are telling us this every day. We are at war, and driven by our pacifistic media, seem sedated in a 'Love Thy Neighbor' peaceful rendition of the 60'. Unfortunately, the Muslim faith wants to continue a war driven by a thousand years of hatred. The problem is most of us in America are frightened to say anything, for we might be labeled as a bigot, or a raciest. How can a religion be so callous, and dangerous? That's a great question, and I believe it's mostly driven by the need for power, wealth, and a confused vision of revenge. We have not experienced anything like this since Adolph Hitler. For Gods sake, they have been teaching their children; from the day they are born, to kill all Westerners, Christians, and Jews.
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LeftTurn
Dec. 30, 2006, 6:04 p.m.Yes, we expect you to not make things up to further your agenda, and we expect you not to take advantage of the American people as your position of leader. We also don't think you should profit from war, because your initial motives are then futile. I think people in general expect that.
Rich, you truly do believe that people in this country are your enemy, meaning anyone who doesn't agree with you, and that has been our Presidents biggest mistake out of any.
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jordan11
Dec. 31, 2006, 10:25 p.m.ill finally believe it when we believe what the Liberals expect us to.Libs like Al Franken,Rosie O'Donnell,Barb Streisand,Arianna Huffington,the list is miles long,leading to the reemergence of Bill Clinton,UN SEXRATARY GENERAL and World President.>>>>
Hell, I'm a 'liberal' and I don't listen to them! Is that where you get your ideas about 'liberals' from? Good lord!
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dance4others
Dec. 30, 2006, 3:08 p.m.I am Muslim, my neighbor is Christian and my other neighbor is Jewish. Are they still alive? Yes. Have I ever killed anyone? No. Do I approve of killing anyone or anything? No. Do I approve of violence in general? No. In fact, all three of us(neighbors and us) always have dinners, parties, get togethers, etc. and we are all just dandy and fine and are great friends. It's people like you who just believes everything that the media tells them and doesn't have proof or get information themselves that make these thoughts be spread and give people an undeserved name. Now, since you give Muslims such a bad name, how bout you go visit Palestine and see what the Israeli's are doing to them, then we'll see what you think of that. But please, don't even start spreading crap like that until you actually meet a Muslim and maybe, by some miracle, visit a middle eastern country(such as Syria, for example) and see how they act. We're all humans, and we need to learn to respect one another.
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betruthful
Dec. 30, 2006, 9:07 p.m.Thank God there are very few morons like you-Electrictalk- You sound just like the nazi prapoganda from the 1930s. You may not be old enough to remember all the lies justifing the Viet Nam war-ALL proven wrong after 58,000 American and over 1,000000 Vietnamese deaths.
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ElectricTalk
Dec. 30, 2006, 2:55 p.m.When will we open our eyes:
that America, Europe, and Jerusalem are their main targets? I fear we require to be attacked, again, to bring us to the truth. By then, it might be too late. We only need to look at the government of Iran, and their killing wings of groups such as Hamas, Hezbollah, and Al Qaeda. They have been killing us for years and we just turn our heads in apathy. If we have not learned from our past, our future and our children are sadly doomed. I'm very concerned, and very well you should be!
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ElectricTalk
Dec. 30, 2006, 3:08 p.m.PBS reminds me:
of the bankrupt Air America. A propaganda wing of the left. For the life of me I cannot understand why our government would help subsidies this anti-American station. Their lies are right out of the mouths of the degenerate individuals who want to destroy the US !
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Dave59
Dec. 30, 2006, 4:08 p.m.Your comment is obviously that of an individual that will not see any truth in any thing you dis-agree with.
Just because some people do not subscribe to your notion of violence and ignorance does not make them un-American. It means they are exercising the right to freedom of expressing themselves as you are free to do so.
I have to say that many of you right wing types sound like a Nazi propaganda machine. If one disagrees with your perception of reality then we are "Anti-American". You attempt to frighten people as you would children. Make them an outsider and they will think as you do. I have to tell you that this does not work with me.
I totally disagree with what you say and find your reasoning stupid beyond belief.
However I still defend your right to say it. I was born a citizen of this country and no matter what, you have no reason to call me or anyone else who might disagree with you "Anti-American".
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betruthful
Dec. 30, 2006, 9:22 p.m.Electric - You really need some moral and mental help. All your comments are so anti-American and unpatriotic. Good Christians must weep when they see your thoughts.
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bubba2
Dec. 30, 2006, 9:53 p.m.And just HOW is the government 'subsidizing' Air America Radio? Proof, please.
But I guess it is ok, in your mind, if the government would be subsidizing FOX News?f
Your not biased at all, are you???
One thing is pretty clear ... you are pathetic ...
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jordan11
Dec. 31, 2006, 12:23 p.m.Their lies are right out of the mouths of the degenerate individuals who want to destroy the US !>>>>>
Cite one 'lie.' Just one. Shouldn't be hard for someone who obviously knows what they're talking about. I mean you couldn't possibly have pulled such a harsh assessment out of a hat! Right? OK then. Give just ONE example. I'll check back for it later.
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Dave59
Dec. 30, 2006, 3:45 p.m.Yes we should be very worried. But not about killing people we don't agree with. We should be worried about the killing in general.
This has become so common that we consider it normal. I find a startling disrespect for human life is thriving in todays world. It does not matter what faith or political affiliation.
Making an enemy is quite easy as long as one has an opponent to demonize. IE: The Muslims or the Christians. Making a friend is much more difficult. Making a friend is always more worth while. I attribute much of the killing and discord to laziness. It's easier to fight and die than to try to see through the differences people have.
Try to remember that our percieved enemies are human beings too. I believe there is a common ground here. We need to try and find it. It may be more difficult than making war, however I think it would be beneficial to all of us to do so.
Hate and ignorance breed death and destruction. Let's try a different approach.
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joey-evans
Dec. 30, 2006, 3:57 p.m.We should all stand behind our war hero president bush.
Huh?
He never left the United States, got out of taking a drug test and went AWOL??
Errrrr, nevermind!
JOEY EVANS
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slate
Dec. 30, 2006, 4:05 p.m.PBS the arbiter of the TRUTH???
He,,,,,, Heeeeee,,,, hehehehehe... OMGicaatbelievehow utterlystu... laughsohard
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Dave59
Dec. 30, 2006, 4:26 p.m.So my guess would be that you think Fox News is the arbiter of truth.
As I said before some of you people are not so bright. Try thinking for your self when watching a program, just go figure that some of it may be valid.
I have watched all the news networks and I find some of the items suspect. I don't take any of them on their word alone.
The operative word here is "Think". This you must do on your own. If you believe all you see and hear on your favorite station then it's possible you are being led by the nose. Do not for a minute think they have no agenda. They do have an agenda and it is not beneficial to myself or to you.
The agenda is show them the money and ratings. Other than that they could care less what we think. As long as we watch and suck up the adds they run, they keep getting the big bucks.
No one outlet has a corner on the truth. This I know. But try watching and reading opposing view points. You might actually learn something. Doubtful but maybe.
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jordan11
Dec. 31, 2006, 12:25 p.m.PBS the arbiter of the TRUTH???
He,,,,,, Heeeeee,,,, hehehehehe>>>>>>
Give one example of why you find that funny. Just one.
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slate
Dec. 30, 2006, 4:14 p.m.Fear!
I do fear for my soul, nay my sanity! Does not it spread when you come so close to so many that have been so inflicted by it? Yay I say the Insanity has fully permeated this site with the cancer of Bush hate. The infection has become so putrid that those of the inflicted can not smell the putrid hate that emits a foul odor from the very pours of their beings.
Oh those of the stricken, please take heed, and please take your meds. You're really in need of them.
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Dave59
Dec. 30, 2006, 8:23 p.m.You are really are as big an ass as that which I took you for.
Bush has created his own problems. It is not because people dislike him. It is because he dislikes the people and what they think. Our president thinks he is somthing special. He is not.He is just an American citizen as are we all.
Mr. Bush's thinking that he is somehow above everyone else has resulted in problems of his, and his cronies,own making.
This is not the fault of the "liberal" press or the fault of people who just don't believe in his agenda. The fault is his and his alone.
Why anyone would stand behind and defend a person that has done such a poor job of managing our nation, I cannot imagine.
I don't dislike Bush becuse of who he is but I do have a great dislike for what he has done to our nation.
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betruthful
Dec. 30, 2006, 9:32 p.m.Slate - 70% of Americans disagree with your views-do you think the vast majority of Americans are wrong? hmmm so you have that low of an opinion of Americans.
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dtress1d
Dec. 30, 2006, 4:20 p.m.JOEY EVANS
Please explain this "He never left the United States, got out of taking a drug test and went AWOL?"
Yes, there was one attempt to say he went AWOL, yet this was proven to be forged documents.
Interesting that all of those who served with the current Pres. Bush had good things to say about him.
By the way when Pres. Johnson increased the US involvement in Nam, the first to enter were the Marines and the National Guard! Gee, Pres. Bush was in the guard, just not the units called up!
Sorry the same could not be said for Mr. Kerry who ran in the face of the enemy, came back after the enemy was driven off, & then deserted his post as Captain of his boat, just to save the "LAST" soldier still left in the water, then wrote himself up for a medical, which he got, just so he could throw it away on National TV!
So, you are right if talking about Kerry, but not Pres. Bush!
Want to try again!
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joey-evans
Dec. 30, 2006, 8:50 p.m.dress1d-"Please explain "He never left the United States..."
Well, your druggie bushie never did leave the United States during his so-called tour of duty in the national guard did he? Oh, you can not count a drunken weekend side trip into Mexico as actually "leaving the U.S.". Also, his whereabouts has not been fully explained during the time, otherwise the need for his records to have been somehow destroyed and unavailable would not be necessary. But don't let pesky facts get in the way of your deluded sheep stance.
As for Sen. Kerry...well, if nothing else,,,the man can say that he served honorably and he actually touched enemy soil. Can your cheerleader pres say the same? No? then you should just STFU.
Thanking you in adavance,
JOEY EVANS
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betruthful
Dec. 30, 2006, 9:41 p.m.dtress - you really need to check your info! Bush no showed for his mandatory drug test and lost his pilots licence. That is a fact proven over and over. Bush refused to sign yes on his NG form to volunteer for a combat assignment. The plane he trained in was not used in V.N. Kerry jumped off his boat chased a VC sniper and shot him, this was testified to by EVERY man on his boat. Lets see; Kerry volunteered for combat and Bush refused, so Bush is the brave one. Hmmmm I think you provided proof you are simply an ignorant person.
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bubba2
Dec. 30, 2006, 9:46 p.m.You swallowed that 'swift boat' crap about Kerry totally whole and it was hogwash and NEVER proven to have ANY truth.
Here is a HISTORY lesson for you - the real story of the actions in Vietnam that resulted in several medals for John Kerry.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry
AND ...
Swift Boat Accounts Incomplete - Critics Fail to Disprove Kerry's Version of Vietnam War Episode
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A212
You can hate Kerry as much as you want. But everything you posted has NO proof or documentation -- just accusations out of hate.
Get over it!
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