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Posted by: TimALoftis 2 years, 11 months agoA state legislator said black people "should get over" slavery and questioned whether Jews should apologize "for killing Christ," drawing denunciations Tuesday from stunned colleagues.
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Wil
Jan. 16, 2007, 7:47 p.m.Wow. What's even worse is that this outrageously ignorant moron is responsible for creating laws that affect the entire state.
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TechnologyExpert
Jan. 16, 2007, 10 p.m.I've previously indicated there should be term limits on all offices. Look at this guy's age (79). A lot of this is likely from the time he was brought up in (his apparent latent racism), perhaps coupled with senility. Honestly, when my grandmother was 79 I wouldn't have wanted her driving, much less forging laws for my state. If not term limits, how about age limits.
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rumple4skin
Jan. 17, 2007, 2:01 a.m.The comment from this 79-year old person is unfortunate. Imagine if a Black government representative said words to the effect that Jews should get over the holocaust.
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kimberluvs2sun
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:28 a.m.Couldn't have said it better myself. I am so sick of being politically correct & the whole bleeding heart liberal swing! The ACLU will only help if you are a minority. Not when you have a legitimate complaint about abuse or lack of your legal rights, unless it pertains in some twisted fashion to bigotry or racism. Get over it! You have more rights & legal council if you are a monority. Also,I have been waiting 20 years for the U.S. to hear a "wake up call" to illegal immigrants!! Finally!!! We are headed in the right direction. Great to see someone echoing my thoughts on this issue and brave enough to speak them.
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kriicket
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:38 p.m.Not too many people take a stand and say what they believe or agree with, especially when its on something as controversial as this. Good Job !
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truthaddict
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:07 p.m.What else did Rush Limbaugh say today? You ignorant morons can do nothing but parrot right wing talking points...
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rumple4skin
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:42 a.m.Kim ... you are a new member to this forum. Based on your one and only post on Netscape, you appear to be uninformed, unintelligent, and unlikely to add anything to this thread other than unbelievable drivel. Please find another forum.
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Immune2TheKoolAid
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:48 a.m.The real question now is this: Will the people of Virginia force this vile hate monger Hargrove out of office, or will they do nothing?
Does Hargrove's rabid hate for blacks and Jews mirror that of his constituency? No? Then bounce him OUT OF OFFICE.
The burden is on people in his district to say NO, Hargrove's sick values are not ours, and we need to haul this monster out of office NOW.
Come on Virginia, bounce Hargrove's hate-lusting arse out of office NOW! RECALL!! The old hate-mongering coot needs a new hobby besides politics!
Here's hoping a recall committee and petition starts circulating no later than the end of the week.
Meantime, I suppose that another pathetic Virginia resident Jerry Falwell will go to bat soon for this morally bankrupt loser Hargrove.
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Immune2TheKoolAid
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:50 a.m.kimberluvs2sun -- Congratulations, you are now Netscape's official poster child for religious and racial ignorance and hate. As the Apostle Paul wrote, your pride is in reality your shame.
Thanks for sharing with us what a morally and ethically bankrupt person you are.
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TomM01
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:51 a.m.So are we to be held guilty for crimes of our ancestors? Who living now does not have some filth that could be dredged up when convenient.
Every major crime of brutality - one nation invading another, one clan hacking upon another...has roots in prior history - If we are to never forgive - never forget then how does one end it?
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middleshadow
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:51 a.m.i agree that it makes sence to keep the trials of our ancestors close to us, including the slaves, jews, indians, minorities and everybody else. however, to some extent the millitant hatefullness has got to be too much. if we can't learn to live without the rage, what hope is there for any of us.
kimber is right on illegal immigration, the key word being illegal. we should all be able to grasp that
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kriicket
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:30 p.m.Everyone has their own opinion as well as a right to that opinion....and just because you don't agree doesn't mean that both people are wrong. I am sure his comments will raise the blood pressure of many people.
He does have a point in a way...I mean, how many times do we have to apologize for the wrongs that happened 140 - years ago??
I am from the south...and proud to be from the south. My ancestors never owned any slaves. I do have to be honest and say that I have thought the same thing. I do think slavery was wrong. I guess sometimes I get really fed up with some people acting like I owe them something because of what happened. I don't owe anyone anything. My family grew up working on a farm and they worked hard....I know, because I had to help them.
Things have changed a lot over the years. We all have to learn from the adversities that we face, but that doesn't mean we have to continue to live it.... cont.
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kriicket
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:33 p.m.cont.
Doesn't mean we have to forget it, but at some point we do have to move on with life, cause it certainly doesn't stop no matter what happens.
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vidman04
Jan. 17, 2007, 1:25 p.m.I agree. I'm from the south also and proud of it. Slavery is in the past and people should get over it. Clinging to the past isn't helping anyone. It's time to move forward and be Americans, not Afican-Americans, not Caucasian-Americans, not Latino-Americans, etc....just Americans.
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Bkumm
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:56 p.m.I don't know how we do it, but we had better figure out a way to put this stuff in our past. If we don't we are in for a very rough road ahead.
Slavery was a national blemish on a society that is supposed to be about equality and justice for all people. But, so was the fact that women weren't allowed to vote. So is the fact that North American aborigines were wiped out. So is the internment of the Japanese during WWII. So are the race riots in the cities. So are the Jim Crow laws. So is Katrina. So is Iraq. So is Vietnam.
My point is, where do we draw the line? We (US) have made mistakes. The best we can hope for is to not make those same mistakes again.
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Poulenc
Jan. 17, 2007, 1:41 p.m.It's hard to know which remark is stupider, from a moral or "real politic" point of view: the assertion that blacks should get over slavery or the tacit assumption that Jews killed Christ.
Morally stupid because it implies that great harm should be forgotten (not the same thing as asserting that people should live in its shadow); politically stupid because, well, the guy has just cooked his own goose. Interesting, because here you clearly see, in 3D Imax, so to speak, the living remains of the Old South.
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Bkumm
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:57 p.m.Not to be nitpicky, but the Jews did kill Christ. But, that makes the point doesn't it. The Jews of today are no more responsible for that incident than I am for the selling of an African in a market on the Battery in Charleston, SC.
To blame the Jews of today for the killing of Christ, 2000 years ago, is simply ignorant. Ignorant of the political and religious situation of the area at the time. To blame me for the way that people from Africa were treated 150 years ago in this country is similarly ignorant.
As I said before, we must remember what we have done to each other in the past, but since we can not go back and rectify those mistakes, we must do our best to never make those mistakes again.
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earthlingerer
Jan. 17, 2007, 1:59 p.m.I think that maybe Blacks should get over slavery, much in the same way that Jews should get over Hitler.
Birds got over gravity.
Actually, blacks should get over slavery because the US govt. won't have any money left after they settle with the generations of Irish ancestry over indentured servantry, and sanctioned bigotry.
And that's after the Navajo and Hopi getthier claims settled.
If you're an arab-american in this day and place, there's a long waiting list for reparations.
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TomM01
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:14 p.m.We should learn from the sins of the past, and never repeat them. Too often past infractions are used to justify current and future revenge.
Evil is as evil does. Claims of injury cause generations ago against people who had nothing to do with any of those crimes is also wrong. Otherwise I would be justified in looking up some Tuscaroras Indians randomly selecting a few and shooting them as revenge for crimes committed 251 years ago - rational people would consider that insane.
Learn from the past, but seriously, Get over it.
A just government respects the rights of all people equally and grants special favor to none.
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Sandmn
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:20 p.m.Okay. Here I go again. He's right. It's time to get over it. It can never be marketed and as prosperous as the much controversial "jewish Holocaust", so why spend time trying to manufacture a guilt over something none of us ever had to deal with or are responsible for. There are equality legislations on the books that only serve to reinsforce the ideas and the prejudices of racial differences already, and will keep racial tensions in the forefront of everyone. We don't need to keep dwelling on it or hearing about it. Now, the jewish holocaust has proven to be a very lucrative business venture for the jewish leagues, but not everyone has 100 million to invest into such endeavors annually, even with such big returns. But this is a guilted society because guilt is a great wedge to use on people, isn't it? Sorry I can't bleed with the rest, but I've never been very "politically correct".
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Bkumm
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:41 p.m.I don't know about the whole 'jewish holocaust money making scheme', but the sentiment in your comment is well taken.
We can not continue to wring our hands over the injustices of the past. All we can do is keep our eyes open and not make the same mistakes again.
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TankGirl
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:50 p.m.i agree. i don't feel like i owe anyone an apology for something that happened so long ago that i had absolutely no control over. i've always treated people the way i felt they deserved to be treated, regardless of color. i have never found myself complaining out loud or to myself about the injustices towards women in the past. you know why? because it doesn't affect my life now. i feel that the african american population is given a fairer shake in today's world than the average white man so the argument doesn't fit anymore. shake it off already...
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Sandmn
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:46 p.m.No one is saying to delete the word slavery from the dictionary, but claiming a self indulging right to the word, is, well, self indulging. Let's face it, slavery has been around since mankind. It was a very socially accepted form of commercial enterprise, in every culture. But if we really want to throw down the gaunlet of guilt on a people, let's go after the spanish that brought the negro to this continent for slavery purposes, or to those african tribes that sold them to the spanish for slavery. But, why stop there? We can go back to each culture in turn and seek some kind of reparation for past deeds of people we couldn't care less about. YAAAWWWNNNNN!
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Sandmn
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:07 p.m.I would think that todays slavery might be a better topic for anger and revenge. A nation of people so enslaved by its own government that we are mandated laws to govern our every move and even thought. So enslaved that its people are forced to pay ridiculous sums in the guise of legitimate taxations, no matter what its foundational laws may say. A slavery owner that can make laws for the rights of the slave owners to enforce human sacrifices in the forms of illegal wars. Let's get modern and throw off these yokes and get pi$$ed.
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Sandmn
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:15 p.m.bkumm:I like the way you think. I like the way you write. I like your opinions. But if the Jewish whoever, really weren't concerned with the profits to be made from the jewish holocaust stuff, why would they spend so much annually to keep it going? They have gotten their state, they get tons of money from every nook and cranny out there, daily. Even our churches contribute to their profits. They get the worlds 4th biggest military, free, with upgrades and bonuses to make sure they get their tithes. Of course it's for profit. It's a business, and they run it very well. Hell, it's gotten to where it's illegal to question the events in some countries. Why?
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Bkumm
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:34 p.m.Thank you.
The short answer is that I don't know. There does seem to be some sort of purpose behind it, but I don't know what it is. Maybe it is kind of like a guy who is digging for gold. You know, he digs, finds enough to retire happy, but then he keeps going back to the mine every day anyway because he doesn't know anything else.
I know that in Germany there is a real problem with this. I don't have an answer and I won't sit here and tell you I do. This is one of those religious and racial things that is really hard to discuss with people because it is soooo charged emotionally.
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Sandmn
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:20 p.m.Who is this tankgirl person? She seems really smart, doesn't she? Cute too. I bet she went to college too. I like her, like a daughter or a puppy.
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Sandmn
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:19 p.m.hey bkumm, what was the story with that joker beef jerker the other night? He even called you a jerk.
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Bkumm
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:36 p.m.Well, I don't think he likes me. I get that a lot. I try to interject a calm, rational approach to stuff, be as unemotional as possible and look at the bright side and frankly that irritates some people.
That isn't to say I don't lose my temper. I have, but I'm better than I used to be.
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Sandmn
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:28 p.m.Down with slavery! Up the republic! I don't know what that means, but someone introduced me to the phrase a couple days ago, and I thought i might show support.
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Bkumm
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:37 p.m.Up the Republic!!! It means up with all of the great, wonderful and good things that our Republic stands for.
Down with slavery, indeed. Did you know that slavery is still practiced in the world? It is a shame.
Thank you, Sand.
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Sandmn
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:42 p.m.Most definately. In many forms. I need to start hanging around you more. Usually by now, I would have at least 4 or 5 people yelling at me and calling me names and really going off on me, but not with you around. Maybe they're afraid of you.
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Bkumm
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:52 p.m.I highly doubt it. I'm about as intimidating as a small furry mammal.
I've noticed though that what you write is sometimes not exactly what you mean and can be taken the wrong way. I do try to smooth that out a bit.
You're a good guy, I don't care what some people say.
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Sandmn
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:57 p.m.small furry mammal. Did you know the platapus has a poison spined spur? You may be right, but I refused to change the way I write, even for a female professor that dropped me an entire grade because I refused to change. Byatch.
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Sandmn
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:01 p.m.But oftentimes, I write to attract a certain response and to guide the direction of the topics into whatever realm I have an ax to grind with. I thought the stem cell topic would have been much more vibrant than this topic, I'm surprised.
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