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Posted by: populist 2 years, 9 months agoThe difference between what U.S. citizens think their rulers are doing in the world and what these rulers actually are doing is one of the great propaganda achievements of history. In reality, the overriding goal of U.S. policy is to make the world ever safer and more profitable for the Fortune 500 and international finance capital.
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populist
Jan. 16, 2007, 11:21 p.m.From the article (i feel it's important enough to repeat):
"The overriding goal of U.S. policy is to make the world ever safer and more profitable for the Fortune 500 and international finance capital. This is not what the U.S. public hears."
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elzorro2162
Jan. 16, 2007, 11:36 p.m.Excellent analysis in this article! Now doesn't that explain why the US fights for liberty and freedom in Iraq but not in Darfur? Only one of those has oil. Unless the Bushian definition of freedom is defined as unrestricted, unregulated business and exploitation for absolute profit...economic colonialism if you will.
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Blackace
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:01 p.m.I am sure this article comes as a shock to most Americans...the problem with our people is they never travel...like the comedian Louis Black said "how do you know this is the best country on earth? For all you know some countries could be giving out free BJ on the hour" (please excuse the language). I say this to make my point...get up off your asses and see the world, it is your world you should know it. I see people taking vacation every year, and they go to a country where the people outside of the resort are starving or being killed in the streets, and they come back with Pictures of this splendid country. We are so afraid to know what our government does, that we label articles such as this a conspiracy a spoof. I can tell you its all true because I venture outside of the resorts!
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betruthful
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:16 p.m.docj bullshi is what you understand and accept from the neos everyday.
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nakedtruth
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:36 p.m.Good article. But I take exception to one part.
{{Later, they waged a war and then a dozen years of sanctions that killed over a quarter million Iraqis.}}
That's a GROSS underestimate. According to some accounts over HALF a million CHILDREN in Iraq died as a result of the sanctions. Madeline Albright called this an "acceptable price."
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RunNJump
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:14 a.m.Someday, I'm afraid, that everything will not be so humorus. I hope that day never comes.
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m-simon
Jan. 17, 2007, 7:11 a.m.al Qaeda spokesman Suleiman Abu Gheith said in 2002:
"We have the right to kill 4 million Americans - 2 million of them children - and to exile twice as many and wound and cripple hundreds of thousands. Furthermore, it is our right to fight them with chemical and biological weapons, so as to afflict them with the fatal maladies that have afflicted the Muslims because of the [Americans'] chemical and biological weapons." "America knows only the language of force. ... America is kept at bay by blood alone"
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BravoSierra
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:30 a.m.The problem is, I can't tell which side of the proposition this supports...that we have enemies or that we create them.
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ybdogsct
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:55 a.m.M SIMON WROTE:
"al Qaeda spokesman Suleiman Abu Gheith said in 2002"
And that's why we ought to be focusing on al Qaeda, especially in Afghanistan and Pakistan, instead of on the Sunni vs. Shiite conflict in Iraq. Unfortunately, Iraq has diverted manpower, firepower, and attention away from the ones truly responsible for 9/11.
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jeffery1
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:28 p.m.Your use of an al Qaeda quote in context of Bush's failure to complete the job in Afghanistan, where al Qaeda was allowed to escape, and our quick capture of Iraq's oil indicate that you are either uninterested in truth because you consider your ideology is truth or are wholly incapable of critical thought and so prone to being easily lead.
You are the problem.
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misanoel
Jan. 17, 2007, 7:26 a.m."Why, my fellow-citizens, is there any man here, or any woman--let me say, is there any child here, who does not know that the seed of war in the modern world is industrial and commercial rivalry?...This war, in its inception, was a commercial and industrial war. It was not a political war."
--President Woodrow Wilson, September 5, 1919, from a speech in St. Louis, Missouri
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flyrod
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:15 a.m.populist, I won't sink the story. But it isn't even a news item. Its an essay in your newsletter. Try to stay a little more mainstream before the powers that be accuse you of spaming.
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moortiez
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:28 a.m.This site is not for strictly "news" Lots of RW op ed and opinion pieces, as well as those on the left, are submitted and make the home page on a daily basis. I suppose if you do not like that, it's fine to make that statement, I just hope you have the same feelings the next time an Ann Coulter column or a piece of crap from the new york post makes the front page.
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populist
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:47 a.m.flyrod, thanks for your personal perspective on what this article represents.
to many of us here (who pay attention to the news and history) much of the information in the article is not news.
to many many more americans - the historical information is most definitely news - as they are quite unaware of American imperialism in the last 60 years.
Many americans don't know:
-that the US overthrew the democratically elected leader of iran
-that the US provided Iran with nuclear technology
-that nearly 2 million have died in Iraq because of US interventionism and war since 1991
-that the US was involved in the overthrow of governments in Haiti, Nicaragua, Chile and many many other countries..
and much more. All this is news to many.
the author gives his own input on these historical facts, but most people are smart enough to make their own opinion too.
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r2me2
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:37 a.m.Things don't change much through time.
Some things do change.
The Romas could find a christian or an enemy of the empire even if he was undergroud and nobody else new where he was hidden. This was 2,000 years ago. Osama hasn't been found yet (with all the technology we have).I wonder why.
Those things have changed.
On he other hand, the Roman Empire tried to rule the known world, and they did for a while (long), tried to impose their famous Pax Romana enforced by the sword and they neglected their own. The US is trying to deal with the rest of the world its way and is neglecting its own country.
That hasn't changed.
Rome did not fall because of the outside world attacked it, the tribes outside of Rome were waiting until the empire was weak enough to take advantage of its weakness, and they did.
Haven't we learned anything from history? I think it's time we start learning something to avoid making the same mistakes others have made. But we refuse to do so.
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LABELDUDE
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:22 a.m.It's a well known fact that Osama bought George that ranch in Texas. That's why Osama is alowed to live out his life in Pocatello, Idaho, working for the Union Pacific Railroad. I have a picture of Osama in one of those railroad hats around here somewhere.
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Azhrei
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:51 p.m.Actually, you are only partially correct. The Roman Empire had indeed become corrupt and weak. However, it was the barbarians from the north, not making war, just setting up their own communities that forced Constantine to move the Roman Empire. The barbarians began to out populate the Romans.
Although I do not always support Bush, as a matter of fact I really do not like many of his policies; I do not think leaving Iraq is the solution.
A better comparison would be the fall of the Byzantine Empire.
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Aotearoa
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:49 a.m.What did you mean by mainstream, flyrod? The message behind this essay is as mainstream as the reasons why dumbya invaded Iraq and not focus on catching Osama. I suppose Populist could'v opEd.this post or something. You got to admit the essay does make a lot of sense though.
Leve leva e malanga kae tau
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Star_Poet
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:07 a.m.To the author: Be careful with the word, "demonic." That's a can of worms best left un-opened.
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r2me2
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:55 a.m.That can has been open for a very long time, that's why we are going down hill and, as I said before, the brakes are failing.
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saneman
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:47 a.m.Not only that, but Congress is passing a bill which would allow the federal government(medicare) to negotiate as to price with the pharmaceutical companies to get the best price possible, but Bush is planning to veto the bill when it gets to his desk.
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Blackace
Jan. 18, 2007, 3:34 p.m.Then you are blind. In forming an openion before finishing speaks to why you cant see.
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Star_Poet
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:13 a.m.I cannot in good conscience read the rest of this article. I know all of this negative history already.
What I want to know is what we all are doing right now, in the moment, to bring Great Light to our world.
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awongscreen
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:01 p.m.Start kicking all the politicans out of office.
Elect other people that are anti-corporation.
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Tango57
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:27 a.m.We are in the darkness searching for light. This is not an easy path, while ignorance has it's light. While we drudge through the hell that binds us, it's up to us to set us free. May the light that exist's in God's love shine upon us at last.
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jimlin6
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:32 a.m.From reading many of Netscape's articles, It seems that they too are pushers of the far-left-wing rubbish, This article is just another journalist pushing his personal agenda. Another journalist could write just the opposite. So who is right? Yes I know. That depends on which side of the line you're on.
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vor
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:47 a.m.Far left rubbish? Hardly, just a rehash of recent history. What of this do you dispute? I think it would be rather difficult to write the anti-thesis of this essay. You would have to ignore a whole lot of reality. But of course that is a habit of the right wing. Could you argue that America's role in the past 50 years has been one of sheer benevolence to the world. And you could point to numerous examples of good will. But again, you would have to ignore reality to keep this an entirely positive piece.
Our actions continue (as personified by Iraq) but as long as a significant % of the public keeps their blinders on and buries ther heads in the sand as to the REALITY of our policies, they will continue. Even with the President's approval rating at an all-time low.
see:
NewAmericanCentury.org
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samsara15
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:30 a.m.You seem to call everything to the Left of yourself Far Left. Could it be that you are somewhat Far Right?
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populist
Jan. 17, 2007, 1:53 p.m.it might be surprising to you, but some of us are on neither "side of the line" in American politics.
there are some, that are interested only in liberty.....and to achieve that, the government MUST start following the constitution and bill of rights.
period.
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jimlin6
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:43 a.m."The Romans could find a Christian or enemy of the empire even if he was underground and nobody else knew where he was hidden."
r2me2----Man that is one dumb statement to use to try and make your point. You have absolutely no way of knowing what the romans could do or couldn't do. But then that seems to be a trait of the left. (making statements that have no credibility background)
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r2me2
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:12 a.m.According to what you say, to you history is dumb.
Read that a little bit.
Why do you think Rome lasted for so long?
The point is to compare: Osama hasn't been found. That's the point.
The whole thing is so complex that you couldn't understand.
"no way of knowing what the romans could do or couldn't do". Go back and study world history and you see what the romans could do. More than you can imagine.
Think about the alphabet you use to read this.
Did you know this is the roman alphabet? For what you said,I bet you didn't.
My point is that the US acts in several ways like Rome that couldn't be defeated, taking care of so many things around the world for the benefit of a few big corporations and is neglecting its own people.
The romans forced all provinces around it to stay in peace at a certain price for the benefit of the emperor and his elite.Sounds familiar?
It's just a point of comparing.
Please open your history book and read it for the first time
You'll be surprised
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LABELDUDE
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:28 a.m.This is one of them "Satire" things ain't it. HA! Mos' all folks is gonna blieve it an' den some clown is gonna write in an say how dumb everone is cuz dey din' gettit. HOO Boy! Whut Fun....
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BravoSierra
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:48 a.m.Regardless of our intentions, this is unfortunately how the majority of the world sees us. And, just as unfortunately we have a record to support it. We have too often supported the 3rd world tyrant who was corrupt enough to help us pillage his own country for profit. The purpose of war is to force the enemy to diplomacy, the purpose of diplomacy is to establish favorable trade agreements. When you establish a trade agreement that is favorable from both parties' perspectives...you have an equitable arrangement and you don't have wars. When we help a corrupt dictator pillage his own country, it is by definition an unfavorable trade agreement to the people of that country. There WILL be an uprising and a war, one that hurts us. Unfortunately, US CEOs are not interested in our national security or interests. They get paid to make a profit this year so they can collect a big bonus. They care nothing about the boys we have to send to die to clean up their messes.
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gfunk
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:08 a.m.The UN, which is financed by the U.S. and whose membership contains the most vile dictatorships in the world should save America? Good call communist...a good username for you as well.
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IcCaRus
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:40 a.m.yes, we have funded and supported some evil despots, but then agian, so did the ussr... speaking of the ussr, no1, and i mean NO1 that america ever supported was a more evil despot than uncle joe... stalin was a world class tyrant who was responsible for more deaths of his OWN people than hitler, pol pot, ALL the roman emporers, and gengis khan put together...
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Amazing1
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:09 a.m.It bears repeating. "The overriding goal of U.S. policy is to make the world ever safer and more profitable for the Fortune 500 and international finance capital. This is not what the U.S. public hears."
The vast majority of the people worldwide want to live in peace, watch their children grow, see a great sunset and experience love.
The others, the greedy pigs, want to own more, control more and consume more. They have sold us a pack of lies. That because the US has more (also questionable) we should somehow be the police of the world. WRONG!
How about being the gentle giant? Or a center of learning and wisdom. The values they sell us are false! It did not start with Bush, it started with greed. And it continues as long as the people are comfortable enough to not rock the boat.
We are the Roman Empire. And our stature is crumbling.
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r2me2
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:22 a.m.I agree.
I call it the New Roma. Not because of the city but because of The Roman Empire.
We are crumbling all the way the same way the romans did.
Big corporations don't want this country to be the gentle giant. If this country became such a thing, they couldn't have the power they have. Power is what they are after to police us and the world.
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IcCaRus
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:55 a.m.Communist-
" Wave stars and stripes in front of yankee and he will kill and die for businessman while believng he is hero."
sadly, you ARE correct here... as Label points out, wave the right thing in front of most people in the world and they are ready to kill or die... the real problem are the leaders who exploit these feelings...
there is a song by the Canadian group RUSH called "Territories" that talks about that very issue
"better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world
than the pride that divides when a colorful rag is unfurled"
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r2me2
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:06 p.m.Communist,it seems to me that you don't get, do you?
You are twisting some words here.I'm saying "big corporations" don't want this "country" to be the gentle giant....., they are not the country, they are just an elite. They don't do good things for the country. They want to police us and the rest of the world for their own benefit.If big corporations act up that doesn't mean the country is like them.There are many, many people in the US that don't agree with the things those thugs do, but yet the rest of the world look at us the wrong way because of the wrongdoings of those thugs.You say,"if they need oil,you go bravely and die or lose arms and legs and kill families so they ...".Who is "they", the ones who go? Not the people but the big fat guys that are after huge profits If there is a thug who has the people of his country starving, Am I OK if I said "the people of that pleace are bad because they have a dictator who let them starve? No
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LABELDUDE
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:34 a.m."Wave stars and stripes in front of yankee and he will kill and die..."
Wave a bible in front of a Christian and he will start out on a 250 year slaughter called the Crusades...
Wave a Koran in front of folks living in the desert and...
et. al.
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motivator911
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:43 a.m.the publisher is obyiously extreemly dillusional he claims
we bassically pushed our goal in the following.
Guatemala, Guyana, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Syria, Iran, Indonesia, Greece, Argentina, Haiti, Egypt, Peru, Congo, Portugal, Nicaragua, Jamaica, Venezuela, Bolivia, Mozambique, East Timor, the Fiji Islands, Grenada, Panama, and various other countries,
I am here to tell ya I was personally involved in at least one of these and the mass majority of civillian population were on there knees praying to god shortly after our arrival and thanking him for sending america to help them, but what do I know I am just a dumb jarhead that does what he is told right ?
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Bombadil-YO
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:50 p.m.Hm, Panama? I believe USA toppling their former narclord-protege Manuel Noriega and abolishing the Panamanian Army was one of USA's best "correct my previous mistake" intervention. Please do tell, in which were you involved?
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mikecnga
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:46 a.m."One of the great propaganda achievements in history"?!?!? PAH-LEASE.... first understand history, THEN comment on it. Did any of you "social reformers" think that ANYONE in history ever attacked and/or invaded another country WITHOUT SOME ECONOMIC REWARD?!?!?!
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motivator911
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:48 a.m.mikecnge
Did any of you "social reformers" think that ANYONE in history ever attacked and/or invaded another country WITHOUT SOME ECONOMIC REWARD?!?!?!
dont know about being social reformer lol but to answer your question yes
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motivator911
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:55 a.m.hey communist cant handle the truth can ya
lost the cold war now trying to disillusion yourself into thinking you won it all along !
remember key word ...DISILLUSIONED...
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TataH
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:24 a.m.Not only the soviets lost out in that war. A lot of other people did too. They just don't see it yet.
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Daylight
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:05 a.m.M. Simon
"America knows only the language of force. ... America is kept at bay by blood alone"
Is it true or fales.
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Eagle_Eye
Jan. 17, 2007, 6:24 p.m.Daylight, "America knows only the language of force.",
I wish you would not equate the American people with the American government we are not one and the same.
Peace be with you
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