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Posted by: Mintyfunk 2 years, 11 months agoWeisberg's attack on Romney is exactly the sort of attack on other Christians and believers in the miraculous that the secular left would love to make routine. To mainstream Protestants and Mass-attending Catholics, the virtual mob against Romney because of his LDS faith may seem like someone else's problem, but it is really another step down the r
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TVblogger
Jan. 16, 2007, 3:07 p.m.This is really sad. I myself am LDS, and I knew something like this would happen. It's sad that LDS people get a bad rap because of the "polygamists." When really the "polygamists" aren't even members of the LDS faith.
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moortiez
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:13 a.m.Maybe it's not just the polygamists, guy, maybe it is the magic underwear, or the talking lizard, or just the whole superstitious unreality of the whole thing. Hey, don't get me wrong, I'm not specifically Anti LDS, I am anti Religion in general, and think humanity needs to evolve past believing in invisible men in the sky, coming to solve our problems. If it makes you feel good to believe in fairy tales, be my guest, you have every right, but if any politician thinks he is getting my vote by being some kind of religious extremist, like Mitt Romney is, then forget it. I don't even want you as my dog groomer, let alone my president. Take your magic underwear and go home, and take your stinkin' bible with you. Religion has no place in serious public policy debate. These things need to be informed by logic, fact, and sober analysis. The opposite of what so called "Religion" provides.
Flame all you want. I know I'm not mainstream. I admit that I am a radical.
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Mintyfunk
Jan. 16, 2007, 4:45 p.m.It's a divide and conquer strategy against persons of faith. Choose a faith that is less popular with the others and they cheer you on while you pick on the unpopular one.
Peoples of faith need to realize that unless they want to be marginalized in politics they need to stand up for one another during times like these.
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moortiez
Jan. 18, 2007, 9:52 a.m.of course, halko, you have no problem with religious bigoty against non religious folk, and athiests. It is the order of the day with types like you, after all. You can't take it that others are enlightened enough to go through their lives without
kissing some phoney priests ass, or kowtowing to the most ridiculous kind or nonsensical drivel. We are free, and you are a slave to idiotic dogma meant to control and subjugate you. I hope you enjoy your enslavement. Those who benefit from it certainly do.
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Locky12
Jan. 16, 2007, 5:06 p.m.This is the way it is. If you are in any way a religious Christian and conservative, you are bad for this country.
Twenty years ago, somebody threw a Crucifix into a vat of urine and called it art. But only today, someone drew a cartoon of the prophet Mohammed and it was called the most insensitive thing ever!
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bcphila
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:20 p.m.What rubbish.
White male Christian Conservatives run this country, the last time I checked.
The ruling class portraying itself as the victim: another neocon ploy to win over the non-rich voting block.
You are all playing right into their hands.
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BhaktaRajPrabhu
Jan. 16, 2007, 6:07 p.m.Bigotry has always been a part of the human condition, and unscrupulous people have always known how to turn it into a cash-cow. Pray for such people - and avoid them like the plague.
I have friends of every conceivable faith, denomination and/or religion and political leaning, and I love them all. They're my friends, for heaven's sake! I'm reminded of Jesus' parable about the Good Samaritan. Here was a guy who was a member of an out-group, and he helps a guy from the in-group... who's own "inner-groupers" wouldn't. I think that Jesus is trying to tell us something.
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mntnman444
Jan. 16, 2007, 6:11 p.m.I live in SLC,I think the Mormons were unjustly persecuted because of their religion.The thing that worries me about Romney is that I dont believe he can leave his religion out of decisions that affect us all.Living in UT,I have yet to see a politician who wasnt beholding to the church.
It seems ,here, that many Mormons do not have a problem with censorship or putting their religios views into law.
Before I am attacked for having a legitimate concern,I'll give an example...
Several weeks ago ,in Layton UT,a city ordinance was passed prohibiting all athletic events or practices at city parks on Monday evenings,because monday evening is the mormons "home family evening",when they are supposed to stay home with their families.A nice wholesome idea,but it should not be forced on everyone through law.The majority here dont seem to have any objections,nor would they even understand why anyone would have a problem with it.
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samsara15
Jan. 16, 2007, 7:34 p.m.People's religious views should not be writ into law. I noted, when I visited Western Utah (Bryce and Zion National Parks), that it seemed much more Mormon than Eastern Utah (Moab/Arches National Park)). They had a lot of restrictive laws regarding the sale of wine and beer in Western Utah that they did not have in Eastern Utah.
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samsara15
Jan. 16, 2007, 6:21 p.m.No one should oppose Rommney because of his religion, or lack therof. Support or oppose him based on what he stands for.
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mntnman444
Jan. 16, 2007, 6:49 p.m.He's already shown his willingness to put his personal beliefs before the will of the people,when gay marriage was legalized in Mass,he tried to drag out some obscure law from the 1800's to stop it.
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SilenceBroken
Jan. 16, 2007, 8:50 p.m.Anti-faith bigotry is rampant on the Internet. It's not enough for people to just say they don't believe in God. They have to make a mockery of Him or those who follow Him. I think we need to quit insulting the people or ideas we disagree with and start trying to do something positive instead.
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SamMyam
Jan. 17, 2007, 2:15 p.m.By the same token, religious bigotry is also rampart here, just as it is in our society at large. It's a chicken-and-egg question, and I come down on the side of the religious bigots being the chicken which laid the egg; those who loudly and aggressively disparage religion are, I believe, usually reacting to the oppressive weight of religion in this country, where something exceeding 2/3 of the population declares itself Christian while blithely violating the teachings of Christ.
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Bkumm
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:31 a.m.Hang on just a second. Some of this story is almost five years old. This isn't new news by any means and the writer of the garbage column retracted his statements and apologized two days later.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/1235419/detai
The Slate author mentioned, Jacob Weisberg, said:
"Not applying a religious test for public office, means that people of all faiths are allowed to run-not that views about God, creation, and the moral order are inadmissible for political debate. In George W. Bush's case, the public paid far too little attention to the role of religion in his thinking. Many voters failed to appreciate that while Bush's religious beliefs may be moderate Methodist ones, he was someone who relied on his faith immoderately, as an alternative to rational understanding of complex issues."
I think this story is an attempt to make an issue out of something that isn't.
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Bkumm
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:41 a.m.You don't suppose Mr. Hewitt might be trying to drum up a little controversy in front of this:
"Mr. Hewitt is the author of the forthcoming "A Mormon in the White House? Ten Things Every Conservative Should Know About Mitt Romney," "
Hmmmmmmm?
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Bkumm
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:48 a.m.Wake up, America!!! This kind of half truth and divisive stuff is what is being used to divide us.
I don't care if Romney believes that a purple headed monkey came down from on high and gave him the rules to live by. So what? All I care about is whether or not he has the goods to run the country and uphold the Constitution.
Hewitt is a known hard core conservative and outspoken Christian. He wears his religion on his sleeve. It is just this kind of book, just this kind of column that people like him don't want the rest of us to look into. They know that most of us will knee-jerk and not look at the bigger picture.
To my conservative and Christian friends, please don't fall for things like this. And to my liberal and secular friends don't let guys like this Hewitt frame the debate by making it about religion.
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BhaktaRajPrabhu
Jan. 17, 2007, 7:41 a.m.I agree with SilenceBroken. Name-calling and insults are for kids - and mean kids at that. Let's strive to be intelligent adults, and perhaps some good, practical ideas may then be exchanged.
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vor
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:40 a.m."I don't care if Romney believes that a purple headed monkey came down from on high and gave him the rules to live by. So what? All I care about is whether or not he has the goods to run the country and uphold the Constitution."
Well we have a president now who believes that a seven headed monster will someday emerge from the sea to signal the beginning of Armageddon. And he has proved quite dangerous.
Romney's beliefs to me signify an inability to distinguish between fact and fiction. Sorry Mormons, but the basis of your church is invalid. Joseph Smith was hardly a prophet, a charlatan would be a better description. Let's have an excavation of the Hill Cumorah and see if there are hundreds of thousands of remains or any signs of a great battle there. You know the answer. If you have doubts about Joseph Smith's prophetic abilities read up on the Kinderhook Plates. If Joseph Smith had not died a martyr he would have been revealed for the fraud he was.
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Bkumm
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:36 a.m.My point is and was valid. And the President you refer to has shown that he doesn't have the goods to run the country or uphold the Constitution, which was also included in my point.
I agree with the rest of your statement.
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Bkumm
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:35 p.m.Do you disagree that the President believes in the Bible as the inerring Word?
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vor
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:56 p.m.Bkumm covered that. You believe this as well Halko. The Bible is literal, correct.
Yep, Seven heads with seven crowns. That's the kickstart. Seven is a big number in Revelations, you know that. Wouldn't have anything to do with Rome would it? Wonder why?
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moortiez
Jan. 18, 2007, 9:35 a.m.Hey , halko, he has expressed his belief in the rapture and is a well known christo-nut job. they all believe in variations of that superstitious fairy tale.
Do YOU believe it?
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moortiez
Jan. 18, 2007, 9:33 a.m.Speak it! Hey VOR, we need to expose the faud that is LDS. No religious extremist freak like romney will ever get elected once the general public knows what the LDS is all about. In the early days, they would kill you just as soon as look at you if you were a stranger, and ventured anywhere near salt lake.
The genesis of their whole "religion" is shrouded in secrecy for a reason. The "elders" keep all original documents of the church totally secret for a reason as well. The whole LDS thing is a scam, a story made up by a guy that probably ate too much peyote or some crazy crap, and others used it to exert control on the gullible fools who will believe any moronic bull. I feel bad for the rubes who go for that stuff. "South Park" used LDS in one famous episode, where they all went to heaven and found out LDS was the one true religion. They joked about it because, of all religions, that one would be the most ridiculous, if found to be "the one"
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bcphila
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:23 p.m.If you have a complaint, why not call the ACLU? They defend everyone's religious rights-- Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc....
...OH THAT'S RIGHT... you conservatives all hate the ACLU...
****** pathetic.
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super-sunshine
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:01 p.m.Weisberg's attack on Romney is exactly the sort of attack on other Christians and believers in the miraculous that the secular left would love to make routine.
I fall to the left and all that I see is that it is the left that is more supportve of different peoples spiritual views, which can hardly be said of the conservative right who by the very nature of strong religious convictions dictate that there is only one "right" way. But it is like the right to attack the left without cause to create illusion.
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moortiez
Jan. 18, 2007, 9:38 a.m.I would also like to add that Hugh Hewitt, the "cowardly lion" is a total apologist and neo con booster whose credibility went down the crapper years ago. Here he is again, trying to provide cover for his right wing religious extremist nut job buddies.
Predictable, and pathetic.
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djwilli
Jan. 19, 2007, 2:25 p.m.Mr. Romney was governor of Massachusetts. He has a track record in elective office. People ought to be basing their voting decisions on Romney's track record and political views. Why should we be playing up Romney's religion if Romney, himself, isn't playing it up? That's just wrong to vilify someone on the basis of their religion. Our country was founded by groups of people who were vilified for their religion back in the countries they emigrated from. For the vilification to continue down to the present day shows we haven't matured much in the past 300 or so years.
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BhaktaRajPrabhu
Jan. 22, 2007, 7:28 p.m.If his track record is good, what's the problem? If we were to inventory every single person running for (or in) office in terms of what their religious views were, it'd be tantamount to a witch hunt. Let the guy run for cryin' out loud!
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