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Posted by: Aidenag 2 years, 9 months agoThe Vatican's attorney general Nicola Picardi released the astounding statistic at the start of 2007: The tiny nation's justice department in 2006 had to contend with 341 civil and 486 criminal cases. In a population of 492, that measures out to 1.5 cases per person -- twenty times the corresponding rate in Italy.
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Cornswalled
Jan. 19, 2007, 4:36 p.m."In order to combat this flood of crime, the Vatican decreed that it's police would no longer investigate, prosecute or otherwise peruse cases of Pedophilia unless a death is involved. This alone would reduce last year's count to 5 criminal cases and 25 civil cases."
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mamasan
Jan. 19, 2007, 6:18 p.m.OH nO!!!!!
does this mean the Catholic Religion is bad!!!!
Oh no are all catholics criminals?????
Should we be scared of Catholics?
Are they going to try and do this same thing in America???
Oh my!!!!
(my responce to Muslim Haters ie...scared Cons..)
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JenMurdock
Jan. 19, 2007, 6:29 p.m.i find this article pretty null and void. After all, ever see the murders listed in Baltimore MD? There are so many per week it's not even 'news' anymore!
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Locky12
Jan. 19, 2007, 6:40 p.m.This is just another pathetic attempt to libel the Catholic Church while these crimes have been committed by tourists.
And these are petty crimes too but in some sick way, they compare to savages with bomb-belts on buses and in pizzerias? Firing rockets into civilian areas over religion?
The Vatican is a bastion of peace and justice in comparison!
What we're seeing is a denial of God. God is dead. Nobody wants to call Islam the evil that it is. So to distract us we say all religion is wrong. It makes things easy. If there's no God, there's no sin or guilt. Who the heck is the Catholic Church to tell me what's right or wrong?
The Vatican's crime situation reminds me of the quote: In the darkness, a light shines, and that darkness has not overcome it!
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nativestorm
Jan. 20, 2007, 7:34 a.m.the Church does well enough to ruin its own image without any help from me or those like me , thank you very much.
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1-2-Oscar
Jan. 19, 2007, 10:58 p.m.It had been recognized by most other nations long before that, in some cases for more than a century. Your comment does not demonstrate any particular understanding of the
Vatican, its history, or international relationships. Why don't you leave discussion of these more complicated matters to the grown-ups?
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1-2-Oscar
Jan. 19, 2007, 10:47 p.m.I doubt that even one actual "citizen" or resident of the Vatican was among those charged. Navigator Aidenag, who has distinguished himself by infantile activities in the past, is simply trying to pose that the Catholic Chgurch somehow either condones or creates bad behavior.
The only thing we learn here is how poor is the quality of the people who have been hired to run this site. The next question is, "Can Netscape survive in spite of them?"
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Aidenag
Jan. 20, 2007, 2:57 a.m.Thank you for the kind insults oscar, Im glad you enjoyed something at my expense.
My question though is, WHY do you keep pariticipating in this site if you hate it, and me so much? dont you have better things to do? You really got that little going on in life?
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dynamicoxy
Jan. 19, 2007, 11:52 p.m.Of course the Vatican is a rogue state.
Not only from the perspective of the incidence of crime increasin, but also from the view of the actions of its Popes down through the ages. The availability of Papal documents proves conclusively that the Popes planned, abetted and executed or was involved in the planning and execution of mass murders of innocent people throughout the ages. The Vatican was one of the leading groups to retard education and scientific investigation and still continues to act in this anti-scientific and anti-intellectual manner.
If it were up to the people in the bureaucracy that runs the Vatican, they would return to their dream of having people on their knees, praying, paying and obeying.
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Locky12
Jan. 20, 2007, 1:04 a.m.As rocky and unsturdy the Catholic Church may be. It is the most sturdy and reliable foundation around!
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nativestorm
Jan. 20, 2007, 7:36 a.m.many oligarchies support themselves with huge amount of monies thruout history. Don't mistake sturdiness and reliability for pecuniarily supported oppression
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dynamicoxy
Jan. 20, 2007, 5:53 a.m.This is for the person who said that the Roman Catholic Church, despite its being rocky, is the sturdiest institution around. So what if it is sturdy? It is still rotten to the core. What kind of institution calls for the murdering of people, forced conversions, burning at the stake scientists who disagree with its teachings, creates inquisitions, teaches and preaches hate, supports pogroms, kidnaps Jewish children so they could be raised Catholic, supports governments in enslaving its citizens, protects pedophile priests - even after they are caught by moving them to different parishes so they can have an entire new crop of children to prey upon, extracts great wealth from its adherents so that its leadership can live in opulence while there is great poverty amongst its masses? Is this the sturdiness that impresses you?
It does not impress me.
For the evil they have committed and still commit, the Church, along with the Muslim mosques and madrassas, should be destroyed.
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inkyboy07
Jan. 20, 2007, 2:08 p.m.-especially since many of the dollars to provide the red velvet and fine food were gathered from the pennies of the faithful in parishes in which there are starving children.
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stephen-johnson
Jan. 20, 2007, 2:08 p.m."Picardi did say that most criminal cases were matters of pickpocketing or purse-snatching. The rest amounted to other petty crimes like fraud and forgery -- committed not by kleptomaniacal nuns but by a handful of black sheep among the 18 million pilgrims and tourists who visit St. Peter's Cathedral, St. Peter's Square and the Vatican Museums every year"
I wonder how many of the usual suspects even bothered to read that passage in the article?
dynamicoxy - "The article is nonsense"
Actually, the headline is nonsense - but it hilights the point that the author was making - damned lies and statistics, and how they are twisted to suit an end.
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ballbuster2
Jan. 20, 2007, 2:14 p.m.sounds like everyday politics to me,democra... just can not believe and/or trust any of them.f*** them all!!
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evelyna
Jan. 20, 2007, 2:26 p.m.The fact that all of their hostages from Iraq- seem to come back to them says a lot about their nature.
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marjioh
Jan. 20, 2007, 3:03 p.m.Garmissou86 appears to have at least read this thing. And not only are most of the crime victims tourists; I'm betting that a lot of them have their heads down, their hands clasped in front of them or up in the air and their attention seiously distracted from their pockets and handbags. I'm pretty sure that rape and child endangerment crimes are very low at Vatican City since women are barred from living there -- or at least were the last time I saw statistics on it -- hence their status for the lowest birthrate in the world (0%). If you want to stretch statistics beyond reason, one could saw that the high crime rate is due to the lack of female residents -- pretty absurd, no? (Why does everything around here seem to drip anti-SOMEBODY venom?)
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Albmore
Jan. 21, 2007, 8:03 a.m.I personally do not agree with the Catholic churches teachings because I feel they do not reflect what the bible tells us, but I do believe thier are God loving and believing people inside the Catholic Church. We should be praying for all members because it is not Gods will that any should parrish. I would recommend to all Catholic to read thier bibles daily. Find out what the word of God says. Also to pray often. I dont mean the Rosary, but pray that the Holy spirit will help you to understand what You read. The Holy Spirit knows the thought of God and man our bible tells us. It also tells us who searches for wisdom will find it. May God Bless everyone on this site.
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CatholicRedneck
Jan. 27, 2007, 4 a.m.Albmore, I read four chapters of the Bible every morning and have done so for years. I estimate I've read the entire thing about fourteen times.
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CatholicRedneck
Jan. 27, 2007, 4:01 a.m.Also not only do I pray the rosary but also a portion of the Book of Psalms (the prayer book of Jesus Himself) every day.
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