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Posted by: stephen-johnson 2 years, 5 months agoBy Thomas Lifson - Barack Obama was born to Muslim father, married to an American atheist. His father's religion is the reason both his first and middle names, Barack and Hussein, are Islamic in origin. According to Islamic scripture, one born to a Muslim father is a Muslim. Forever. Because according to Muslim law and tradition, the penalty for le
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stephen-johnson
Jan. 19, 2007, 10:03 a.m."It is long past time for non-Muslims to demand that Muslims offer reciprocity in the realm of tolerance for other faiths. The West, over the course of several difficult centuries, has created tolerant societies, from which Muslims greatly benefit on the basis of equality. Yet Muslim theology and practice in several important countries do not offer the same tolerance.
This asymmetry must end. If Barack Obama can help raise this issue, based on his own unique circumstances, I would not seek political advantage, I would support him in it. But of course, if he refused to make such a call, that would raise many red flags."
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mamasan
Jan. 19, 2007, 2:36 p.m."Today, Barack Obama proclaims his adherence to the Christian faith. This would seem to make him a potential target for death, according to at least the more militant adherents of Sharia law. Apostasy is a capital offense in several Muslim countries."
thanks for the good story on Barak, Johnson!
See this is exactly why I like Barak he has such courage of conviction!
good one SJ...keep um coming.
Thsi is why he is Right for America.
He is so NOW!
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Cornswalled
Jan. 19, 2007, 5:28 p.m.Pardon me for not holding my breath for Islam to return the favor of not killing people because of their religion.
We need to just ban Islam in the USA.
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Twistoflex
Jan. 19, 2007, 7:01 p.m.This is more rightwingnut fluff. Jack Wheeler. A mercenary nutjob who contributed in no small way to the genesis and rise of al Qaeda.
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glaswolf
Jan. 19, 2007, 9:02 p.m.The vocabulary used by Mohammed probably had a lot fewer words than our modern ones. Words have meanings deternined by context. To kill a man does not just refer to draining his body of blood. To kill a man also refers to shunning the man so that socially he is effectively dead. Christians often blackball individuals whose morality or ethics they disagree with. Christians kill such men constantly, with their god right in their hearts, or perhaps I should say with what is left of their god in their hearts. Exile is a form of killing a man, by completely severing his most functional communication links to his familiar family and co-evolutionists, i.e. friends. Why would anyone want to shun a man who has abandoned his father's religion? Perhaps the contradictions in the personage of men like Hussein Obama could upset the religious view of those who associate with him, not knowing which of his utterances contradict fundamental precepts of his father's religion. Such men destroy churches.
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airglide
Jan. 19, 2007, 10:42 p.m.Never happen. Read the koran. If you don't accept Islam they are supposed to kill you. If they benevolently allow you to live they tax you to death, remove your kids for training and take whatever posessions they choose. Moslem loyalty is to Mecca reguardless which country they are in. Swearing an oath in the US is meaningless because they are permitted to lie if it involves an infidel. People in the US may consider this to be false because they can't relate. It isn't a game.
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Blackace
Jan. 20, 2007, 12:52 a.m.You Idiots Mr. Obama doesn't know his dad...he left when he was a child of 2! He then lived with his mom and stepdad, who is also a Muslim...However very soon after that he left for his grandmother who did the bulk of raising and molding Mr. Obama...she sent him off to Columbis where he showed no ties to Islam and if you are true running your mouth because you have one and do the leg-work you would know that he lived his life as a christian. To suggest otherwise is nothing more than spin!
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andy_f90
Jan. 20, 2007, 3:40 a.m.And considering, Mr. "Stephen Johnson" and "DocJ" that Sen. Obama is not even a practicing Muslim but a proud Christain, it begs the question "Imagine the level at vitriol hurled at him by these intolerant right-wing hatemongers if he was a proud Muslim!"
I say Muhammad Ali should have ran for President before he came down with Parkinsons. Now there's was a man "the Greatest" who would have restored America's standing as a non-aggressor nation who doesn't wish to invade and kill others just so its interests in oil and security of Israel could be protected. Talk about bringing nations together, that would have surely done it.
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andy_f90
Jan. 20, 2007, 3:26 a.m.The problem is not whether Islam can live in reciprocity with non-Muslims, indeed history testifies it has...from Christian and Jewish populations in Iraq, to Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, to Hindus in India, Zoroastrians in Persia, to anamists in Indonesia. Has there been periods of acts of violence and discrimination against the minority populace? Sure every society has some including our tolerant country founded on freedom for all against negroes....BUT as I was asking the larger question is can some in the West truly accept Islam?
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Mintyfunk
Jan. 19, 2007, 10:12 a.m.Interesting. His heritage could prove to be an interesting platform for religious tolerance in Muslim countries. I will be curious to see what he does with it.
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Cornswalled
Jan. 19, 2007, 4:25 p.m.If he wants to be elected to the US Presidency, he'll avoid it at all costs. Most Americans already think he's Muslim because of his name, and anything that doesn't explicitly paint him as a Christian will result in most people coming away thinking he's a Muslim pretending to be Christian to get elected.
There's a lot of hype about him, but in the end, his presidential hopes are DOA.
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stephen-johnson
Jan. 19, 2007, 1:01 p.m.Obama is no more Islamic that you or I. Attempts made to discredit Obama by casting him as a stealth Muslim will backfire. I feel that some will try to do it nevertheless, since going negative on a black candidate any other way is definitely not PC.
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mamasan
Jan. 19, 2007, 5:59 p.m.http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/13/politics
Here is a link to Keyes child he has divorced himself from.
Why is it all the ultra Right wing Wackos have gay kids that they hate?
I Give Cheney some Credit for being so Liberal with his Gay daughter!
Now Cheney's grandchild will have two Mommies.
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Beau7890
Jan. 19, 2007, 6:33 p.m.I agree--let's get Alan Keyes on the Republican ticket! Keyes has a knack for saying things that immediately alienate him from 90% of the voters. And Obama's already beaten him by a 6-to-1 margin in his election to the U.S. Senate.
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SamMyam
Jan. 19, 2007, 10:11 p.m.(Sigh)
David, again with the communist nonsense? Are you so determined to be lumped with the know-nothings?
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deathray
Jan. 20, 2007, 7:14 a.m.I though Red stood for Republican these days. Red Communism, that's so 1950's of you, David.
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MrTastyPhlegm
Jan. 19, 2007, 10:05 p.m.The reports are coming from his own party.....Hillary Clinton.
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andy_f90
Jan. 20, 2007, 3:52 a.m.David is a lost cause. These neocons need an enemy to alwyas castigate to give their insidious ideology a cause for survival. Indeed explaining themselves by using "existential" and "survival" is their very survival.
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MrTastyPhlegm
Jan. 19, 2007, 10:04 p.m.His problem with religion is that of the education he accepted years ago. What we don't need right now is a radical muslum sympathizer.
Not that I am a religious nut, but the Bible says that a man will fool the people into believing him a good man and he will betray them into the beginning of the end of the world. Is Obama this man?
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rickcb
Jan. 19, 2007, 2:56 p.m.Why should Barack Obamas' religion figure into the equation at all? Seriously...why? The only requirements for a president are that he or she be 35 years old, and a natural born citizen.
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rickcb
Jan. 19, 2007, 5:32 p.m.I can't say that I agree with you David. This is a Democracy, not a Theocracy, and as such a cornerstone of our country is the separation of church and state. Granted, a president may be guided in his decisions by the general morals, and ethics instilled in him by religion in general, but to make decisions based upon religion is wrong.
The American people would never tolerate the government interfering in their religion, and we cannot allow religion to interfere in our government. On an individual level we each must weigh a candidates' virtues, qualifications, and their platform for the country.
I simply do not feel that religion is a rational factor in choosing a president in a Democracy.
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mamasan
Jan. 19, 2007, 6:03 p.m.david said "If someone has a history of persecuting others for their religion (or lack-of religion), then people should be aware of their bigotry and make an appropriate voting judgement."
Does this me that as a Catholic I should not run for office because the history of my Religion.
Certainly you are aware of the long histroy of Rome santioned murders for not being a catholic.
?????
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Cornswalled
Jan. 19, 2007, 5:31 p.m.Because we're currently at WAR over the Islamic need to kill "Infidels" and see our blood fill the streets?
People might take exception to a President whose religion requires he see to the conversion or death of about 90% of the country.
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Bobcat6
Jan. 19, 2007, 3:10 p.m.Well I'm sure his run for the presidency will be brief. I'm sure Shrillary is laughing herself to death on this one. Wait a minute. What am I talking about? If he is a Muslim the dems will then support him. Especially if he's a terrorist. That's scary.
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revstan
Jan. 19, 2007, 3:48 p.m.Obama is just a passing wind. The guy looks like he just got out of high school. What kind of experience does he have in anything? Other than being a minority candidate, who is he?
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IanFraigun
Jan. 19, 2007, 5:55 p.m.He is about the same age with the same amount of experience as JFK had when he was elected.
Age and experience are worthless in proving ability. If experience was a key we never would have elected GWBush as every business venture he ever got involved with failed under his leadership. We maybe experience does count he sure is doing a job of bankrupting/failing this country just like his experience indicated he would.
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jordan11
Jan. 19, 2007, 11:06 p.m.other than being a minority candidate, who is he?>>>>>
Well, let's see. Born in Hawaii. Mom from Kansas, dad from Kenya. They divorced when he was two. His mom remarried, and they moved to Jakarta when Barak was 6. At 10, Barak moved back to Hawaii, where his grandmother finished raising him. After HS, he spent two years at Occidental College in CA. Then off to Colombia in NY, where he studied political science, specializing in international affairs. Got a BA there. Worked a while, then off to Chicago, where he directed a non profit that assisted in job training for the poor. Then off to Harvard, where he graduated with a Juris Doctorate magna cum laude....in law. He was also elected President of the Harvard law Review. He turned down lucrative job offers to work with a civil rights law firm. Then he served in the Chicago State Senate. Then he taught Constitutional law at the University of Chicago. Then he became a Senator. That's 'who' he is.
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revstan
Jan. 19, 2007, 4 p.m.A friend just sent me this info: Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was a radical Muslim who migrated from Kenya to Jakarta, Indonesia.
Obama's spinmeisters are now attempting to make it appear that Obama's introduction to Islam came from his father and that influence was temporary at best.
In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya immediately following the divorce and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.
Dunham married another Muslim, Lolo Soetoro who educated his stepson as a good Muslim by enrolling him in one of Jakarta's Wahabbi schools. Wahabbism is the radical teaching that created the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad on the industrialized world.
Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when you are seeking political office in the United States, Obama joined the United Church of Christ to help purge any notion that he is still a Muslim.
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random1734
Jan. 19, 2007, 4:46 p.m.Gee, my mother took us to sunday school and made us read the bible. But I didn't turn out christian. My sister, on the other hand is a far right christian who homeschools to protect her children from the world at large.
It dosen't matter what your parents were or what they tried to teach you. If it doesn't stick it doesn't stick.
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stephen-johnson
Jan. 19, 2007, 5:22 p.m.You should admit your source:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_barack_ob
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jordan11
Jan. 19, 2007, 9:34 p.m.Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when you are seeking political office in the United States, Obama joined the United Church of Christ to help purge any notion that he is still a Muslim.>>>>>
LMAO! Ya'll haven't learned. America is sick and tired of this kind of crap. You might want to join us here, in the real world.
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rumple4skin
Jan. 19, 2007, 4:43 p.m.Finally it begins ... the slop and slander that will no longer be held at bay. Obama, the Muslim Trojan Horse.
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blackolives
Jan. 19, 2007, 9:49 p.m.And you owe it all to the heroes of the left. Those snakes, Bill and Hillary Clinton.
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NelsonR
Jan. 19, 2007, 5:28 p.m.Why is the media, (ALL) so obsessed with Mr. Obama, Who is he and what is his track record, None. The media has a responsibility to inform its readers so they can assess the candidate and make an informed decision. I do not see this when it comes to Obama. WHY, is the media mesmorized by a invisible candidate? Every person has something in their background that would initiate a pause upon pulling the lever. If its serious, don't vote for him, but the media is attempting to elect the next presidential candidate without a full disclousure of that candidates history and track record. UNBELIEVEABLE.
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tchef
Jan. 19, 2007, 8:18 p.m.Time magazine did a nice profile of him. It was the first time that I read about him and his background. It was very impressive. He is known for being able to bring people of opposing viewpoints together. That is just what this country needs right now. Some one who can bring us together instead of drive us apart.
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brettodactyl
Jan. 19, 2007, 9:22 p.m.I understand what you mean, but it's still early in the campaign. I'm sure we'll know pretty much everything about his life, public and private, before all is said and done. I don't think the media is so much trying to get him elected, but he's definitely the focal point for the Democrats these days. I guess people are mesmerized by him just because of his charisma, and I also think people like that he has a clean slate for the moment. Things are sure to change as we learn more about the man and where he stands on the issues.
Honestly, I don't really want to know about his personal life anyway. I think people focused too much on President Bush's mistakes when he was younger, and I don't think any candidate needs to be put through so much scrutiny, no matter what party they're running for. Of course, if Obama was tried for murder, that would be significant, but I don't care if he tried drugs or drank when he was younger.
Bottom line, where does he stand on the issues?
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aniokly
Jan. 19, 2007, 5:37 p.m.If you are born of a Muslim Father, you are Muslim. Forever. You can attend the Catholic Church, the jewish Synagogue, or Earl Gantrys Tent church, you are still a Muslim. He won't address it. He must, because we will not consider a Muslim President. He has to deny his Muslim roots, or be considered Muslim.
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IanFraigun
Jan. 19, 2007, 6 p.m.And where do you get your fact that your religion is based on that of your father. Are you an expert on the muslim traditions and methods to state such facts. Give us some real proof and maybe someone might give your statements some credibility.
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PaganGodess
Jan. 19, 2007, 8:01 p.m.If Muslim is a nationality you might be right but religion is a belief system and I'm afraid that is one thing (as random and I have proved above) is NOT determined in all cases by what your parents believed.
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whereisthecomonsens
Jan. 19, 2007, 5:55 p.m.ROFLMBAO!!!!! Some of these comments can't be serious, what does it matter that's he's muslim, jewish, buddhist, black, white with purple if he can do a better job than the current I say vote on his voting record not his color, or religion.
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AmpLee
Jan. 20, 2007, 3:57 a.m.The individual matters.
It will be one sad day tho if anybody ever gets in the White House and start doing things because 'God wants him to' or 'God helps him'. Wouldn't that be a scary thought, I mean, if it ever happened. {knock on wood]
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jambaman84
Jan. 19, 2007, 6:02 p.m.HAHAHAHAHAHA...
I really don't get why people are having a problem with his DAD being a Muslim?? what the hell does that have to do with anything.. are you people saying that Obama is a terrorist or that he supports terrorists?? you right wing nuts need to just go back into your caves....
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IanFraigun
Jan. 20, 2007, 12:30 a.m.I guess we should impeach the governor of California. His dad was a Nazi in Austria and therefore Arnold must also be a Nazi. How else could he (said sarcastically) marry into the Kennedy family!
Trying to tie any individual to any belief system of their parents is about as futile an activity as exists. How many lifetime republicans are out there with parents that are lifetime democrats.
Each of us must be judged on his own merit or beliefs not on those of his ancestors. Look at the record most serial killers come directly out of god fearing religious homes so based on their parentage using these stupid arguements the should be pillars of the community not mass muderers that they are.
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NelsonR
Jan. 19, 2007, 6:03 p.m.Rickcb - Thanks for the post but it is not the picture I am looking for. Please don't mention the senate, No record to speak of. His record within the Illinois state senate would be very helpful. But the most profound piece of information I would like to speculate on, is how his cohorts rank him, both negative and positive, then I will know more about Mr. Obama. Information of this caliber is still lacking within the media to understand the man real profile.
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IanFraigun
Jan. 19, 2007, 6:05 p.m.What is so scary is that those who are claiming Barak cannot do the job because of his religion or background are the same ones who put GWB in office. GWB has done more to destroy this countries way of life than any of the terrorist could ever hope to accomplish. Bush has us giving up all our liberties and rights for the little bit of security in reality he cannot provide.
Give me a muslim, if that is the case, who believes in the totality of his/her religion and all the peaceful and respectful ways that are most of the teachings and we would at least go back toward where we should be. Right now we are acting under fear and moving closer and closer to what happened to Germany and its sytem in the 30's and we know what that led to.
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blackolives
Jan. 19, 2007, 9:29 p.m.Can you name me one right or liberty that you have been forced to give up? Empty rhetoric like that is just foolish. Maybe you haven't noticed but there are a large group of Muslim jihadists who are actively trying to kill us. I can't risk the security of my family and kids to your foolish beliefs that keeping an eye on our adversaries somehow means that Bush is ursurping our rights. It's funny you liberals hate your country and your president more than the Muslim fanatics that are trying to slit your throats.
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mamasan
Jan. 19, 2007, 6:07 p.m.I must say some of the comments on here about Barak and his name or religion...are very very stupid.
just stupid.
Are we not a country built on weird names?
And as far as Religion goes.
Never vote for Catholics cuz we have the worst history for persection than any other Religion on the Planet.
Dont you guys ever watch anything besides Fox news???
Scary.
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BillieMaxer
Jan. 19, 2007, 6:55 p.m.Yes you are a country of wierd names,names that came from their ancestry,just look at the last names of half your State Govenors.If your voters were looking stickly at names ,most of them would never have got into office.
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blackolives
Jan. 19, 2007, 9:37 p.m.That's odd. How many Catholics are teaching their kids to strap on bombs and blow up innocent people? How many Catholics are calling for jihad? How many Catholics preach the annihilation of Israel and the death of all Jews. That would be Muslims, not catholics. Your statement is pure ignorance.
BTW, where do you think that fact that Barak attended a Whahabi funded madrassa came from? Hillary is scared to death that someone else is stealing her thunder. If mondern political history has taught us anything it's that you had better watch your back if you cross a Clinton.
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aniokly
Jan. 19, 2007, 7:29 p.m.If your father is Muslim you don't get to choose, you are Muslim. Forever. Osama bin Bama can pretend all he wants that he is something else, but he is Muslim. He cans deny his Muslim roots, and be anything he wants, but Apostasy in Islam is punishable by death. Democrats already gave this country it first Muslim Congressman, but there will be no Muslim President.
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SamMyam
Jan. 19, 2007, 10:30 p.m.That's a load of crap, and you all got it from the same place. Next.
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prock123
Jan. 19, 2007, 7:35 p.m.In Islam, if one's father is muslim they are considered muslim. In Judaism it is the opposite: if one's mother is Jewish then they are Jewish.
Try reading a little bit about other faiths before coming to your own conclusions.
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IanFraigun
Jan. 20, 2007, 12:41 a.m.Absolutely wrong. IN judaism you cannot be considered jewish unless born to a jewish mother. If not you must go through a conversion process, but nowhere are you prohibited from converting to any other religion. Being born jewish does not make you such for life. You are only that by practicing the belief system of that religion.
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deathray
Jan. 20, 2007, 7:31 a.m.I think you are ignoring something very important: ultimately, what you, or I, or Mr Obama decide what our religious convictions are make us what we are. There is no magic juju that the Muslims use to force someone to believe a certain way just becaue their father was a Muslim.
Assuming it is a sin to be Muslim (an assertion I do not make) why do you force the sin of the father on te son, other than to discredit him politically?
Now, I am sure people will bring up al-taqqiyah, etc. but there is nothing in the man's past to indicate that his professed belief system is a danger to the United States, it's form of government, or it's citizens, except that perhaps he is not the brand of "Christian" some want to see in the White House.
I suppose that if GWB had been born a Muslim and had become a "born again" Christian you would not be yapping about him the same way.
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AJaye
Jan. 19, 2007, 7:42 p.m.We do not need a islamic pot & cocaine using President.. How smart can he be to use these drugs???Guess he makes his own laws.He evidently has little regard for ours...
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deathray
Jan. 20, 2007, 7:33 a.m.Well we have a Christian alcoholic and (allegedly) addicted cocaine user in the White House, so what would be new about a Muslim who did those things?
Glass houses and stones, AJay, glass houses and stones.
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ningyo
Jan. 19, 2007, 7:47 p.m.once again its the liberal left that spouts talking points without knowing the facts--these questions about osama obama being raised in a muslim madrassa are being raised by hillary clinton amd the dems--he is a part time christian and i think he hid this and its a legitimate question for him to answer--as well as his voting record which puts him solidly in the the socialist/marxist anti-american camp--his appeal is to the hard left that controls the dnc--where is howie??--where is mrs dean??so much to hide in this current crop of dems
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deathray
Jan. 20, 2007, 7:35 a.m.lol ningyo. you dont know the fact any moe than anyone else, and yet you choose to call him a part time Christin.
What hypocrisy!
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Disambiguation
Jan. 19, 2007, 7:51 p.m.As some other people have wisely stated, so what if he's Muslim? As long as his beliefs don't greatly interfere with or influence his politics, he could be a Satanist and I wouldn't care much.
Stop focusing on little stuff that doesn't matter and start getting down to the real issues.
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PaganGodess
Jan. 19, 2007, 8:05 p.m.Unfortunatley, for some, race, creed, and color still matter. It's still the cover that makes the book and that's a sad state of affairs!
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AmpLee
Jan. 20, 2007, 4:13 a.m.(((( he could be a Satanist and I wouldn't care much))
I would. I've found out its not good to have a prez who believes in the boogeyman...
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USMarine
Jan. 19, 2007, 8:02 p.m.Who would ever vote on this ****** guy?!?! Hes Not even an American Citizen!! I will be DAMNED
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PaganGodess
Jan. 19, 2007, 8:08 p.m.WTF???
Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.
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rumple4skin
Jan. 19, 2007, 8:21 p.m.So be it!
"Who would ever vote on this ****** guy?!?! Hes Not even an American Citizen!! I will be DAMNED"
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IanFraigun
Jan. 20, 2007, 12:43 a.m.You sure need a lesson in what makes a citizen. He was born to an american mother in the state of Hawaii well after Hawaii became a state. He is as much a citizen as you or any other native born individual.
How could you possible be a marine and not have learned the very basics of who is a citizen in this country when those are who you are supposed to be defending. Shame on you for that disgraceful comment.
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tchef
Jan. 19, 2007, 8:21 p.m.I found the comments about how the press could have fun with his religious background and make him squirm very telling. Who cares about real issues lets just dig up some dirt and see how he handles it.
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EDWARDIII
Jan. 19, 2007, 8:35 p.m.Will this guy stand up and call the Koran incorrect? I think that's the point of the article. Tell me if I'm wrong. If he is unwilling to criticize the Koran then will he work toward implementation of the road-map?
George Bush owes way too much to the Christian right wing, and that's one of the reasons this republican doesn't like him. A candidate owes us a clear immage of his beliefs.
We know little enough about Obama and suspect much. As far as we know he could have deep sympathies with radical Islam. Where would his loyalties come down in a pinch. We've never seen him tested. So far he's just a celeb.
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IanFraigun
Jan. 19, 2007, 8:48 p.m.And do tell why he is expected to critize a religious book that is not the tenents of his faith. Remember he is a christian church member and as such it would be improper and insulting for him to critize the religious book of another group.
Put in context would you expect him to criticize the Book of Mormon, or the Old Testament, or any of the various major books of any other religion. If not why should he criticize the book of a religion he is not part of.
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Openeyes
Jan. 19, 2007, 8:42 p.m.So the right wingnuts are already going after anyone that might run against the Grand Ole Pedofiles.The other thing that Obama has in common with JFK is that the GOP of the time went after him on religeous grounds also.They couldn't stand it that he was catholic.Good or bad as a pres is still debated but he was one of the most loved presidents of the twentieth century.His religeon never came up as an issue during his years in office.If Obama can keep out of the muck being raked he just might be the repubs worst case scenario.A diligent,hard working moral person.
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