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Posted by: Spadecaller 2 years, 11 months agoAntiwar protests in the U.S.have been monitored by the Pentagon's domestic surveillance program, according to documents obtained by ACLU. "This unchecked surveillance is part of a broad pattern of the Bush administration using 'national security' as an excuse to run roughshod over the privacy and free speech rights of Americans."
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Spadecaller
Jan. 26, 2007, 6:58 a.m.Terrorism seeks to create fear and disruption to our way of life. As we sacrifice our freedoms we only make them stronger.
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Amazing1
Jan. 26, 2007, 9:08 a.m.I think as many people as possible should go out and protest. The more the merrier. Lets just overwhelm their little databases. They will soon see that they just can't keep up with it all. The only comfort we can take from such an intrusive program, is that they always get it wrong.
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cherev
Jan. 26, 2007, 10:28 a.m."according to documents obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union"
Taking a huge leap that the ACLU is telling the truth, I'm pleased that our government is keeping an eye on things. The freedom of these people hasn't been compromised since they're allowed to protest without interference. I have no doubt our enemies take a great deal of comfort from these protests. It's entirely possible that funding for these protests comes from sources that also fund our enemies. Freedom requires eternal vigilence....including keeping an eye on those who, in effect, provide emotional support to our enemies.
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cherev
Jan. 26, 2007, 1:32 p.m."We are things not US citizens???"
Legally, you may be citizens But from the perspective of values, I see no evidence. For the overwhelming majority of Liberals, Democrats and Leftist, your loyalty is to your party. For example, Clinton waged wars during his administration, e.g., Bosnia, Somalia. Where were the protesters against those "illegal" wars? Rationalize all you want, Americans died during those conflicts as well, but no one was out in the street protesting.
Also, the government isn't "spying". Those who protest are doing so openly and in public. The government doesn't have to "spy" to keep tabs on them.
The last comment is yours. I'm done with this thread since it appears the overwhelming majority of participants are from the left.
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Virginia
Jan. 26, 2007, 1:57 p.m.Senator Kerry was swift boated basically for his war protest about the Vietnam War. Who wants to take that stand today if they have any political asperations? I heard Maxine Waters say that she will be taking part in the peace demonstration tomorrow in DC. Will Sen. Hagel or anyone else with presidential asperations?
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55Kansas
Jan. 26, 2007, 5:14 p.m.In 2003 when the war was starting, we had a demonstration in Lawrence Kansas. We walked downtown. I had an old Peace Flag that I was carring. A woman took my picture and than said it was a great shot and wanted my name and address so she could send me a copy. I never received one. This really makes me wonder who she was. Were my civil rights invaded again?
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random1734
Jan. 26, 2007, 5:21 p.m."At least 186 antiwar protests in the United States have been monitored by the Pentagon's domestic surveillance program,"
I look at this and wonder why the Pentagon has a Domestic Surveillance program! When did the Pentagon get a Domestic Surveillance program (PDSP) and why??? Don't we have an FBI to make sure that the terrorists aren't here. Why was the PDSP watching anti-war protests? Why were these people under surveillance?
IT seems to me that perhaps someone at the top has really gone overboard over the past few years and perhaps they should step back, smell the coffee, and wake up to the fact that GWB will not be president in 2 years!!!
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skimaniac2007
Jan. 26, 2007, 5:28 p.m.What's amazing is that anybody is surprised by this? Do you honestly think this tactic is reserved to the current administration? This has probably been a long time tactic of all administrations. Why wouldn't they monitor them? Is there evidence that this monitoring has been detrimental to the people at the rallies?
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whereisthecomonsens
Jan. 26, 2007, 5:38 p.m.I mean seriously they monitor anyone and everyone they think has to be stimulated by outsiders to go against anything they think we should go along. Let's not forget Martin, and Malcolm.
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Bacalao
Jan. 26, 2007, 6:32 p.m." Baur told the Times his agency is no longer monitoring peace groups. "
Are they out sourcing that opeeration? I doubt that our government in its extreme benevolence all of a sudden decided to stop spying on its citizenry. I can almost guarantee they have all of our names, addresses, what we search for, and what pages we visit. I sound like a conspiracy nut, but, you never know.
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Spadecaller
Jan. 26, 2007, 6:47 p.m.Many of us wondered if we were paranoid during the Nixon years until we found our names on his black lists and when the Freedom of Information Act was enacted, many of discovered that some of the "mishaps" that had happened to us on the college campuses were not accidents at all.
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samsara15
Jan. 26, 2007, 7:09 p.m.Hasn't the government spied on us for several generations, dating back to the post World War II era, with brief interruptions, due to Democratic courts / Presidents? It's a by-product of the imperial Presidency. Like the end of the Roman Republic, our freedom slowly evaporates.
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slate
Jan. 26, 2007, 7:35 p.m.There's a number you on the left love to throw around 100 million!
Quit talking and have mutiple mass prostests already!
How bout at least a 115 man march? I'm sure out of 100 million you can muster that
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ningyo
Jan. 26, 2007, 8:32 p.m.why not monitor these groups--im sure most of them are genuine in their right to voice their opinion--but i also believe some of these groups and individuals are dedicated to the failure of this war effort--and funded and organized by people that dont have the best interests of this country in mind--people who want to kill our troops and us--just because they are from peace groups or mormons or whatever doesnt automatically make them harmless patriotic people-- if you dont think that our enemies arent exploiting these groups and some politicians to their own ends to some degree you are living in a dream world--its the paranoid ct's that do the most damage--useful idiots i think they were called--sheehan comes to mind
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Shade777
Jan. 26, 2007, 8:44 p.m.Why is simply monitering these groups such a big deal? This article is absolutely STUPID.
"Congress should not let this president off the hook for inappropriate surveillance by the Pentagon," the group's Caroline Fredrickson said. "Americans must once again be confident we can exercise our constitutionally protected right to protest without becoming the subject of a secret government file."
Where does it even say that the president even issued such a thing to take place? And even if he did, which he might have, why should you even care? Oh NO Heaven forbid there's a FILE somewhere of a PROTEST. If the protests were truely peaceful then there's nothing they should be worried about.
Good grief. Of all the issues to be all bent out of shape about. -_-'. Pathetic.
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slate
Jan. 26, 2007, 8:53 p.m.Your first mistake is trying to use logic.
Form what I've seen here, those that support this thread feel that the Bush Administration attacked it's own country, of course anyone with that sort twisted reasoning would think anything done by Bush would have evil tendencies. Just find one instant where they agree with anything this administration has done.
The Dems first want more troops then are upset that Bush wants to send more, they find fault with Bush wanting to take action against any Iranian that is in Iraq causing trouble,,, if Bush tries to look into possible ways to detect aggressors they shout he has trounced the constitution. Of course anyone that thinks this way would only see dark shadows behind this and not connect that maybe just maybe someone that would protest could possibly be anything but innocent.
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slate
Jan. 26, 2007, 9:07 p.m.If you Google the Clinton Administration and surveillance you will find that he too wire tapped,, kept files on enemies or groups he felt were a potential threat. It's a well known fact that he would send th4e IRS attack dogs after those in the media that looked too deeply into some of his shady deals.
Stop acting like this is some new draconian thing cooked up for the first time by Bush.
One thing that's good, eventually time will cure (in attrition) most of the wild eyed crazy people that still live in the past and hold tight to grudges from the 60's. I just pray they don't infect a new generation with their insane hatred.
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Dionys
Jan. 26, 2007, 9:25 p.m.Monitoring, spying, taking pictures of, making recordings of protests are things they do in China. Spying on people who disagree with this war subverts the very basic freedoms Bush and his warmongers say this war is supposed to protect. It's amazing to me that the same people who so vehemently attack flag burners are allowing the government to burn the constitution in plain sight. Amazing and disturbing.
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Searunner52
Jan. 27, 2007, 7:41 a.m.It's painfully obvious that you are nothing but a mouthpiece for the administration!
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old-squid
Jan. 26, 2007, 10:55 p.m.JoSchmo
Pelosi didn't support a surge in May of '06 as you claim. Learn how to read your own links.....
Are you a liar or just plain stupid????
She said to stabilize the situation back in 2004 (much different than today) we should send more U.S. troops only if no other country would be willing to send troops.
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EsaEngr
Jan. 26, 2007, 10:01 p.m.GOOD!!!! Continue at doing what it is they need to do to keep us all safe! For the short term, I am NOT really worried about some Liberal arguement about my pesonal liberties being lessoned.
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