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Climate scientist Michael Mann at Penn State says that the funding for global warming skeptics "can be traced back to the same fossil fuel corporations. And these 'organizations,' a lot of them are not much more than a P.O. box and an individual or two who are behind them." He believes the disinformation trend is ending.

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  • Avg rating: (+5/-0 5)Neophile
    Neophile
    Feb. 5, 2007, 1:04 p.m.

    Sadly there will always be global warming deniers. And thanks to the internet, it is easier than ever for anyone to have a soap box to get their ideas out.

    However they will be marginalized along with conspiracy theorists, tinfoil hat wearers and other ideologues who reject scientific evidence.

    It is great that this disinformation has one less source of corporate funding though.

    • Avg rating: (+4/-7 -3)DeborahByrd
      DeborahByrd
      Feb. 5, 2007, 1:59 p.m.

      It's very exciting that scientists are beginning to speak out about this disinformation campaign.

      • Avg rating: (+7/-3 4)Mysticdon
        Mysticdon
        Feb. 5, 2007, 2:04 p.m.

        My, my, Deborah Byrd commenting on how nice her own article is. For another opinion go to this story: http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming

        • Avg rating: (+2/-4 -2)ningyo
          ningyo
          Feb. 5, 2007, 3:36 p.m.

          the question isnt whether there are warming and cooling trends in the climate--thats always been going on--there was the big warm-up from 10-1300--and the cooling in the 1800's--what causes it is another story--i dont think fossil fuel were used much in 900 AD--right now there is a large increase in solar flares--that might have something to do with it--or volcano's--or this or that--and what of the foundations funding all these "real" scientists saying its all mans fault--if they disagree maybe their grants dry up--but nooo its only the oil money that has influence on results--baloney--the fear mongering global warming crowd is only interested in blaming america--not real science--and proving something by consensus is not science ..its mob rule..a thousand years ago the "consensus of scientists was that the earth was flat--they got that one wrong also--let the negative libscape attack begin--go scarlet knights

          • Avg rating: (+6/-3 3)hamy
            hamy
            Feb. 5, 2007, 3:53 p.m.

            Science isn't trying to do anything except to save our planet. What I don't understand is why would anyone not want to have cars that don't pollute, or air conditioning that doesn't destroy the air that we are breathing. Who wouldn't want less old computer parts scattered all over the world or less lung cancer?

            Why would you fight something that only serves to make this a better place to live?

            • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)DeltaX
              DeltaX
              Feb. 5, 2007, 3:57 p.m.

              Sunk. This article belongs in the Do No Evil category.

              • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)acompas
                acompas
                Feb. 5, 2007, 4:02 p.m.

                I take issue with the idea that "a thousand years ago the 'consensus of scientists was that the earth was flat."

                Any school kid knows that Eratosthenes (http://en...">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes),">(http the MacGyver of his day, back in 240 BC correctly (within about 99% accuracy) measured the circumference of the Earth using a plum line, the summer solstice, and his knowledge of geometry.

                Of course, we all know what happened to Eratosthenes ...

                • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)icewater
                  icewater
                  Feb. 5, 2007, 4:11 p.m.

                  Global Warming. It's a subject you hear a lot about, to make a HUGE understatement.

                  Persnally, I believe in global climate change and that the earth has become warmer over the last one hundred years. However, I'm beginning to have my doubts about this being a man-made phenomenon. In addition to the theatrics displayed by the proponents of co2 derived global warming ideas, I never see any presentation of evidence to support their belief that greenhouse gases are the culprit, at least not in any rag intended for mass consumption. They just expect people to believe it.

                  I also don't believe that ALL scientists who choose not to believe that humans cause global warming are on somebody's payroll.

                  • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)Zeitgeist
                    Zeitgeist
                    Feb. 5, 2007, 4:22 p.m.

                    But why is MARS warming?

                    • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)IAmMine
                      IAmMine
                      Feb. 6, 2007, 9:56 a.m.

                      Dr. Theodor Landscheidt is a research astrologer. Dr. Theodor Landscheidt is not a scientist. He is a glorified palm reader.

                      • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)torrent29
                        torrent29
                        Feb. 6, 2007, 11:31 a.m.

                        So you find one paper by one guy and this somehow contradicts the tons of evidence presented by consensus of climatologists?

                        Fascinating.

                        • Avg rating: (+0/-3 -3)pazuita
                          pazuita
                          Feb. 5, 2007, 6:10 p.m.

                          The leftists are the propagandists? Hmmmmmmmmm

                          With virtually every respected and accredited scientist, and authority on climate science in the world agreeing that humans are in some degree responsible for global warming, with the exception of those funded by the Energy industry of course, you quote Dr Theodor Landscheidt.

                          Landscheidt is not a scientist, he is an astrologer. In fact, he is a research astrologer who claims to be an "Amateur Climatologist", or at least he did before his death in about 2004.

                          The highly renowned Schroeter Institute for Research in Cycles of Solar Activity, had only one researcher, Dr Landscheidt himself, who was also it's founder. The entire institute was moved from Landscheidt's hometown in Germany, to Canada, apparently in a small manilla folder.

                          • Avg rating: (+1/-0 1)pazuita
                            pazuita
                            Feb. 5, 2007, 6:16 p.m.

                            The flat earthers, propagandists, and deniers will always be among us, but just in case some of you missed it, The Bu$h Administration is beginning to see the light, and has declared the debate over.

                            The Administrations own hand picked right wing conservative Energy Secretary made this comment about the IPCC report.

                            "We're very pleased with it. We're embracing it. We agree with it," "Human activity is contributing to changes in our Earth's climate and that issue is no longer up for debate."...............U.S. Energy Secretary Sam Bodman

                            Debate over, or at least, that part of it should be. It's time to move on to the debate about solutions.

                            • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)IAmMine
                              IAmMine
                              Feb. 6, 2007, 10 a.m.

                              You do know this is a religious website right?

                              http://www.discerningtoday.org/

                              • Avg rating: (+3/-3 0)IAmMine
                                IAmMine
                                Feb. 6, 2007, 10:02 a.m.

                                You do know this is a religious website right?

                                http://www.discerningtoday.org/

                                They also are against the Endangered species act...

                                • Avg rating: (+9/-0 9)abntv
                                  abntv
                                  Feb. 5, 2007, 6:25 p.m.

                                  To throw out a discussion about the changes in climate on Mars is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater...who can say without question that the two planets are not being affected by the same solar events.

                                  • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)IAmMine
                                    IAmMine
                                    Feb. 6, 2007, 10:12 a.m.

                                    Wow, capnbob's blog... A far right wing website where he goas on and on with temper tantrums about democrats. I don't see any scientific proof. Manorak are you and capnbob the same person?

                                    • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)IAmMine
                                      IAmMine
                                      Feb. 6, 2007, 10:19 a.m.

                                      And all of it brought to you by the Assoc of British Drivers!! Hilarious! They sound like great people:

                                      "Among its associate organisations the ABD numbers Pistonheads, a website which carried death threats last year against Mary Williams, the head of road safety charity Brake, whose mother and former partner were killed in traffic accidents. Members of Pistonheads suggested that Mrs Williams should be "knocked off" or have her brake cables cut for supporting the proliferation of speed cameras. Other postings said she should be burnt at the stake as a witch. "

                                      http://www.guardian.co.uk/transport/Story/0,2763,1

                                      http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Associa

                                      • Avg rating: (+1/-0 1)walden3
                                        walden3
                                        Feb. 5, 2007, 7:09 p.m.

                                        come on - the society of british drivers? has it been peer reviewed?

                                        • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)walden3
                                          walden3
                                          Feb. 5, 2007, 7:10 p.m.

                                          prozac.

                                          • Avg rating: (+2/-4 -2)IcCaRus
                                            IcCaRus
                                            Feb. 5, 2007, 8:40 p.m.

                                            walden, lets not forget....

                                            reality, if only they made that in pikll form, we could gibe it to him with his prozac

                                            • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)IAmMine
                                              IAmMine
                                              Feb. 6, 2007, 11:48 a.m.

                                              "Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says":

                                              http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/06

                                              • Avg rating: (+11/-0 11)TechnologyExpert
                                                TechnologyExpert
                                                Feb. 5, 2007, 7:34 p.m.

                                                Where do you get that idea? Were you part of the research? I have heard several of the key contributors interviewed and there is no evidence that they ignored the scientific method. In fact, the opposite.

                                                • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)torrent29
                                                  torrent29
                                                  Feb. 6, 2007, 11:36 a.m.

                                                  Its hilarious watching a wingnut call anyone else a fearmongerer.

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