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  TechnologyExpert

  Feb. 12, 2007, 5:23 p.m.

  Here's the key:

  We know that the explosively formed projectiles are manufactured in Iran. What I would not say is that the Iranian government, per se [specifically], knows about this," he said. "It is clear that Iranians are involved, and it's clear that materials from Iran are involved, but I would not say by what I know that the Iranian government clearly knows or is complicit.

  That's a good point. While they can pin the explosives to Iran, they can't confirm the government knows anything about it. Hmm.
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  tehranchik

  Feb. 12, 2007, 11 p.m.

  I wish there were a way to bring comments from duplicate stories that have been closed.
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  Tango57

  Feb. 12, 2007, 11:14 p.m.

  I found it very strange that the weapons in question are in English and not aramic. At least someone is knocking this down.
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  earthlingerer

  Feb. 13, 2007, 7:55 a.m.

  Then why are the coalition casualties in Iranian-influenced areas so much lower than in sunni-occupied areas?
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  joeeddie

  Feb. 12, 2007, 11:39 p.m.

  From the article:

  "Indeed, while the specific intelligence on the explosive formed projectiles is no longer disputed in the intelligence community, the CIA is questioning whether their export from Iran represents a strategy of the regime or the rogue actions of one of its security services, known as the Quds Force."

  Isn't their government just an amalgam of rogue actions anyway? This will be proven in time, the statements by Mr. Pace are purely political in nature.
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  MikeReardon

  Feb. 13, 2007, 12:08 a.m.

  This 'looks like' a bad PR campaign from the Apprentice, "The Administrations" is getting openly blamed for bring this out now as one more step to the next war against Iran, and everyone has seen last week episode and they can't get away doing it one more time. The Administration said it has known about this from back in 2004, even the military will not stand up behind a poorly run PR campaign from the Bush administration. (this is re-posted from the closed story. from the marinecorpstimes.com)

  Also, elements of the Sunni minority are trying to gain control in Iraq alone with al Qeada supported Sunni terrorists, they are killing the majority Iraqi Shia week after week. Iran is a Shia Islamic Republic, what does anyone think is going to happen here. We need to regroup on the Bush position in this mess, He has us in a full Sunni-Shia war. We end as tools for both sides.
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  Beeboppin71

  Feb. 13, 2007, 12:20 a.m.

  Fabricating more evidence to start another war? I can not believe that they are going to try this a second time. Either they think that they are so smart, or they think that we are that dumb. Or perhps, they just don't give a damn. How can we stop this from happening?!!! I'm starting to feel like there is no hope for our future.
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  bubba2

  Feb. 13, 2007, 12:24 a.m.

  Consider THIS --

  As agentX posted on another thread about the weapons that have Iranian 'serial numbers' --

  Why would Iran put serial numbers and words in English written on weapons that THEY made?

  Why would a rogue state write "made in Iran" on weapons it sends to another country to use clandestinely?

  That's like leaving your driver's license and social security #s at a bank robbery!

  Get a grip and consider the level of "credibility" here ...
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  bubba2

  Feb. 13, 2007, 12:26 a.m.

  The supposed sources of the "proof" REFUSE to identify themselves. If that isn't FISHY, I don't know what is.

  Iraqi insurgents are using AMERICAN weapons to shoot at us and kill us! Does that mean that we GAVE them those weapons?

  Iraqi insurgents are using RUSSIAN weapons to shoot at us. Does that mean that Russia GAVE them those weapons?

  The BLACK MARKET in selling and trading weapons is HUGE.

  Any weapon with any serial number can be bought and sold and bought and sold and traded and smuggled ALL OVER THE WORLD.

  JUST because some weapons have Iranian serial numbers on them does NOT mean that they came DIRECTLY from Iran.

  "Uncontrolled Small Arms Perpetuate Insecurity in Iraq"

  http://www.cdi.org/friendlyversion/printversion.cf
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  vikes84

  Feb. 13, 2007, 12:49 p.m.

  I love it. The lefties always think THEY are the independant thinkers. The lefties have no ideas of their own, they just bash the right and take the oposite stance on everything. So in reality, you guys are just as controled in your thinking by the right because they set the agenda you will just take the opposing viewpoint on without even stopping to evaluate it's merits.

  Come one people, the Iranians are helping to kill our troops and you would rather bash Bush. Nobody has even mentioned invading Iran except the left(worried that Bush will). There is no way in hell anybody is going to let Bush invade Iran so just stop and think about this one issue(our troops saftey), not 10 steps beyond.

  Bumfug, even the joint chiefs chairman beleives they are comming from Iran, but he has no direct proof of government involvment. Don't twist it. Are you so afraid to agree with Bush you would defend the OBVIOUS signs of Iranian involvment, at least at some level?
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  zman

  Feb. 13, 2007, 8:04 a.m.

  The phony War in Iraq should be lesson enough for Americans, we no longer trust anything Bush/Cheney espouse. Given that these two fabricated the rationale for War, we need to punish them via Impeachment. Along with the Iraq War lies are a long list of Impeachable offenses which include illegal wiretapping of innocent Americans, misuse of signing statements to gut laws Bush signed, outing a CIA operative for Political revenge, false planting of information with the Press, pressuring the Press to NOT do their job. This Presidency is a low water mark for America and thank God the only place to go is up from here.
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  Amazing1

  Feb. 13, 2007, 8:32 a.m.

  Some other questions that need to be asked:

  What percentage of all these devices come from Iran?

  What other countries are represented? Do some come from Israel? Germany? France? Russia? Saudi Arabia?

  If you wanted to make Iran look like the bad guys, could you not stamp them with "Made in Iran" yourself just to make Iran look bad?

  If they've been finding them since 2004, why are we just now hearing about it?

  That $12 billion in cash that "disappeared," was any of that used to purchase these weapons on the black market?

  What about the munitions that US forces failed to guard when we were initially there? Could any of these weapons have come from there?

  And why are the charactors in English lettering?

  The whole thing stinks.
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  Natureboy

  Feb. 13, 2007, 9:09 a.m.

  There are no new tricks-

  "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

  -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials
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  flyrod

  Feb. 13, 2007, 9:36 a.m.

  I'm not sure where you got this link but I find it to be more than a little absurd. Of course we know the Iranians are supplying insurgents. We also know insurgents are getting aid from Syria, the Saudi's, the Russians, and there is even some evidence, slim, that the French are sending some aid. It is the type of aid being sent that needs to be discussed. It certainly doesn't mean we are going to war with Iran or any of the others. During Viet Nam lots of countries sent aid to the North. The Russians sent "advisors" that flew combat missions. The Chinese sent "volunteers" who took part in the combat. We didn't go to war with any of these countries. I don't see us going to war with Iran unless they up the ante by wholesale troop involvement.
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  Bobcat6

  Feb. 13, 2007, 9:43 a.m.

  Whether they are complicit or not is irrelevant. Just like the nazi liberals blame Bush for everything the government is responsible and should be held accountable. Whether it's being done secretly or not doesn't matter. The government is ultimately responsible because it occurred on their watch. They deserve all the consequences.
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  NeoCon

  Feb. 13, 2007, 10:09 a.m.

  You guys still don't get it. It is not about starting another war. It is about fighting a war we are already in. Iran is the threat. They are behind the terrorist in Israel and Lebanon. They are arming and supporting the insurgency in Iraq. They are behind the Taliban in Afghanistan. They have been and are our real enemy in the middle east. They will stop at nothing to destroy Israel and they will not stop until they control the middle east. The war has been going on for decades some of us realize it the rest of you are burying your heads in the sand.
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  redwriter

  Feb. 13, 2007, 10:16 a.m.

  What a masterful twist of words "He told reporters he has no evidence of any links between the explosives killing Americans and top Iranian officials:"

  "the elite Quds brigade of Iran's Republican Guard force is providing bomb-making kits to Iraqi Shiite insurgents."

  Now the moronic supporters of the radical Islamic beliefs jump up and down and yell hooray.

  Nobody ever said "that the elite Quds brigade of Iran's Republican Guard force is providing bomb-making kits to Iraqi Shiite insurgents that killed Americans"

  They said that I ran it is providing explosives to kill Iraqis
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  fars

  Feb. 13, 2007, 10:57 a.m.

  from the story:

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  "Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Peter Pace disavowed this claim. He told reporters he has no evidence of any links between the explosives killing Americans and top Iranian officials"

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  enough said!
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  redwriter

  Feb. 13, 2007, 11:24 a.m.

  So you are claiming that there were no AlQuada in Iraq?

  Get you fact right before you reply with you ignorant BS reply.
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  getreal1

  Feb. 13, 2007, 11:24 a.m.

  It should be evident to our administration that the truth comes out no matter how long it takes. This World can do with out this last frontier of oil. Why do our elected continue to carry on as if the citizens of America are blind? Our military of any rank should most definitely question any thing that they know is not right. There must be whole hard beyond the shadow of a doubt evidence for a war with Iran. Sad and as cold as this may sound, we need to bring our troops home. There is plenty of dangerous aliens here at home to keep our military busy for the next ten years, to say in the least. Our administration has seen to that.
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  butterknuckles

  Feb. 13, 2007, 11:37 a.m.

  I don't know if Iran Had any involvement moving their respective weapons and explosives. But this is a perfect example of what is to come with their nuclear capabilities. They may PRODUCE the nuclear hardware...but they aren't responsible for what happens to it once it leaves their hands? I am not worried about Iran specifically "bombing" anyone with a nuke. Its just their careless nature to sit back and say "it has our name on it...but we didn't do it." They ARE using that excuse now!Why not later!

  Nahhhhh....It would never happen. Thats just silly!
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  BravoSierra

  Feb. 13, 2007, 11:50 a.m.

  Let me explain to you how easy it is to get munitions.

  A firing exercise responsible officer shows up at a firing range about three hours before anyone else. He checks the specs on the range an the type of munition he's going to have his men firing. He identifies the boundaries that they have to fire the munitions within to make sure they don't blow up a suburb on Virginia.

  A couple of tons of proximity detonated mortar rounds (ie. explosively formed projectiles), LAAWs, etc are delivered.

  1. In a corrupt system the officer can sign for the ammunition and haul half of it off before anyone shows up. He just has to be willing to go to jail if any of the serial numbers show up on the market.

  2. The ammunition is spread along a 50 meter gun line. In a corrupt system, any private to sergeant can throw several mortar rounds into the woods to be picked up later.
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  honeydripper

  Feb. 13, 2007, 11:54 a.m.

  Bush & Cheney's dads must have been glass blowers, as we can see right through them!

  They want war (or I should say, their masters in Israel want war) so bad with Iran, they can taste it!

  Certainly they must realize how desperate to wage war this makes them look, trying to connect Iran with the explosives!

  When they run out of phony excuses for war, they will simply order the sabotage of another 9-11 or Gulf of Tonkin, falsely blame it on Iran, then race right in.

  The people that are behind this (the same ones that were behind the Iraq war, i.e., Zion & Washington,) are the most evil people on earth, have no regard for life, and are the last people on earth that should have power.

  We the people, can NOT buy in to their lies anymore, and allow them to lead us from one disaster to another.

  We have no reason to kill each other, except the reasons they give us through their hired news service, and they are all LIES! Just say NO MORE LIES, NO MORE WAR!

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