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Posted by: STONERS 2 years, 9 months agoWhile held incommunicado for more than two years by the U.S. and Pakistan, accused jihadist Marwan Jabour claims he was beaten, burned with an iron, held naked for a month and chained to the wall of his cell so tightly that he could not stand up.
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STONERS
Feb. 27, 2007, 1:54 a.m.Human Rights Watch interviewed Jabour in December and is telling his story as part of a quest for more information. The group wants President Bush to disclose the fate of all terror suspects held since 2001, including at least 16 that the organization believes were detained in secret CIA facilities. Their whereabouts remain unknown.
The group is also investigating what's happened to another 22 detainees whose fate is murkier. The group believes they may have been held by the CIA.
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STONERS
Feb. 27, 2007, 1:56 a.m."There are now no terrorists in the CIA program," Bush said in September. "But as more high-ranking terrorists are captured, the need to obtain intelligence from them will remain critical - and having a CIA program for questioning terrorists will continue to be crucial to getting lifesaving information."
Human Rights Watch is wondering what happened to the rest of the detainees who are believed to have traveled through the CIA's hands.
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RealOG
Feb. 27, 2007, 10:57 a.m.The only people who should be in Gitmo and the secret prisons should be this corrupt and evil administration.
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beachboy6000
Feb. 27, 2007, 10:59 a.m.He admits he was in a terror training camp and fought with the Taliban. He also does detail ANY physical abuse by U.S. authorities, other than being naked in his cell. Given the hot weather down there.....thats probably a good thing.
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AmpLee
Feb. 27, 2007, 11:53 a.m.It amazes me how the word 'suspect' never gets thru to some people.
I'd buy that whole, 'who gives a **** what happens to these people' attitude if it wasn't for the word 'suspect'.
The following does not pertain specificly to the gentleman in the article:
we have a saying in this country about prison: sometimes the guilty are gonna walk due to the legal process.
I guess we have a different attitude about other countries. It goes; sometimes the innocent will be detained due to the legal process. [And I wonder about that second to last word in the previous sentence.]
what a strange world it's become recently.
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walden3
Feb. 27, 2007, 12:16 p.m.It makes perfect sense to me for 3 reasons-
1- when news like this comes out about us putting light sticks up peoples' butts, or fastening electrodes to them, almost drowning them or putting cigarettes out on them it makes us look like terrorists and alienates us from most of the planet's other inhabitants.
2 - torture will get bad intell b/c the victim will say anything to get you to take the 12 volt off of his nuts. So it helps divert assets by making the haystack we need to look through larger.
3 - hurting someone and then having it publicized helps to recruit more terrorists.
So if the goal is to make us less safe and promote terrorism it's working out perfectly.
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PapaWolf
Feb. 27, 2007, 2:33 p.m.>>I on the other hand WILL NOT SUBMIT.
When you resort to the very actions you're SUPPOSEDLY trying to prevent, you've already submitted.
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Dionys
Feb. 27, 2007, 12:38 p.m.Will not submit to allowing basic human rights and basic human dignity to others? So much for the constant theory of the Right that this is a Christian nation based on Christian moral values.
Comments such as those are disgusting to true Americans.
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ladyraestewart
Feb. 27, 2007, 12:48 p.m.Personally, I'm sick of all the whinny do gooders out there who constantly want to coddle and fix the problems. When there isn't another act of violence committed in the Middle East then I feel sorry for a Middle Eastern national for any "inhumane" treatment they might have received.
The fact is committing violent inhumane acts is something that part of the world has done since before recorded history and it's still going on. Yeah, I know, not just them and us too but not to the degree is occurs over there. Seriously people, training some men to take over and fly commercial jets into buildings causing millions of dollars of damages, taking countless lives the identity of which is irrelevant? Please, I have no compassion for any of them and never will. They have no right to stand up and cry foul over anything!
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Amazing1
Feb. 27, 2007, 1:11 p.m.This is outrageous that this behavior is being carried out in the name of the US population. The guy was a suspect! Not a convicted criminal.
Just imagine that it could happen to you. Suppose you have a neighbor that "looks" Arabic. You're seen talking to him. They sweep you up, take you to some place like Gitmo and say you've been fraternizing with the enemy. Actually, you were asking if he had seen your dog. But they're not gonna believe that. You'll be tortured until you'll confess to any dang thing.
Torture does not produce reliable information. And it makes the US look as sick as any of the people out there.
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goodgrief
Feb. 27, 2007, 2:29 p.m.Awwww. . . how sad. Gotta tell ya, though, folks. This ain't torture. Not the way islam-o-fascists practice it
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nostalgia
Feb. 27, 2007, 3:53 p.m.Human Rights Watch "worries that the detainees could have been returned to their home countries - including Syria, Algeria, Egypt or Libya - where torture is common."
What are we supposed to do with them? Take them to Gitmo?? Put them in prison in the US? - wouldn't that make great headlines in the local press - "Coming Soon to a Prison Near You"
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PatrioticAmerican
Feb. 27, 2007, 4:19 p.m.And the democrats are going to fall for this story HOOK LINE AND SINKER, They wont Investigate they will just run with it the way it is and start a new smear campaign against Bush. But what else do i expect after all that is the way they operate
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HMMace
Feb. 27, 2007, 4:26 p.m.If anyone believe this guy..go to the back of the class, you are the dunbest of the dumb...to believe what your enemy says is just horse crap..wise up..
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hoppy
Feb. 27, 2007, 4:45 p.m.If he did not talk then,then let him go. He will find another terriorist and maybe this time they will blow up the whole city.
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BravoSierra
Feb. 27, 2007, 5:10 p.m.It is clear the Bush administration authorized torture using the justification that terrorists fall outside the protection of any US laws or of any international treaties. There are bound to be true cases. Whether this one is true or not is NOT the point. The point is that such actions erode our own self image and sense that we are in the right more than they erode the enemy. The US has a cultural value of righteousness and the justness of our causes that has always seen us through. Since the Korean War our leaders have violated this sense of rightness to the point that they are destroying our own will to fight because we can no longer trust our own "good" intentions.
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FSU92grad
Feb. 27, 2007, 5:18 p.m.So funny to hear these libs in here discuss "high moral gound"...LOL ! These are the same people that want to pull our troops out prematurely and watch genocide happen right before their eyes...LOL !
But we have wayyyyyy more empathy for terrorist than we do our own troops...The righteous, humanitarian left would rather kill an unborn fetus than an enemy that is chomping at the bit to kill us...HA HA !!! Oh, I crack myself up...
"High moral ground"...What a bunch of bunk from the stupid left...
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archeojoel
Feb. 27, 2007, 5:19 p.m.And I quote for the umpteenth time: "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." -Ben Franklin, Founding Father.
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THOMNH62
Feb. 27, 2007, 5:20 p.m.yes we should rise above the evil ways of our enemies and just give them what they want, the destruction of the west and Isreal. I think we should nuke Isreal then ourselves because we are so evil and the route of everything that is bad in the world. You lefties are nuts, get a grip. There is only peace throught victory, 911 will repeat itself and you'll be to blame.
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archeojoel
Feb. 27, 2007, 5:21 p.m.And you right-wing hypocrits would call for "rights to life" for the unborn but not for the living. Give it up.
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archeojoel
Feb. 27, 2007, 5:23 p.m.Peace through victory?!?! That, sir, is a contradiction in terms.
Besides, didn't you hear? 911 was an INSIDE JOB!!!
Google it: "911 inside job"
Controlled demolition anyone?
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FSU92grad
Feb. 27, 2007, 5:28 p.m.Putting a gun to a suspected Al-Queda terrorist head in order to obtain valuable information that could possibly prevent another 9/11 attack ? You bet ! I'm tired of the terrorist getting a pass and not having to work and live within the same confines as the USA...The Geneva Convention only applies if both parties agree to participate...Why doesn't someone tell that to Al-Queda ?
The terrorist are familiar with our laws and protections they get when incarcerated...They play us like a fiddle and I for one would love us to start playing some hardball...Start bombing some mosques or areas where they hide out...The very reason we are losing this thing or having difficulty in winning is because of the liberal "PC" way of doing things....There needs to be rules and moral standards, but at what point and how many more lives need to be lost before we start getting after it and taking an offense strategy rather than a reactive defense strategy?
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