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Bkumm
March 31, 2007, 3:36 p.m.Where was the comment from a Democrat in there that we should invade and depose Saddam Hussein? I didn't see that in there and to my knowledge no Democrat has been in favor of that, other than to authorize President Bush to use force.
So, I won't bash Bush or hammer the US, but I will say that hindsight is 20/20 and we should always remember that Congress only had the intel that was given to it by the Administration.
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Zeitgeist
March 31, 2007, 3:53 p.m.Ah....here..let me add a few items to ensure the lefties wont respond..
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
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Bkumm
March 31, 2007, 4:30 p.m.And there was someone saying that we should invade and depose Saddam in there where?
Further, if Clinton HAD decided to go to war to remove Saddam Hussein, would you have supported him? The Republican majority wouldn't have as can be evidenced from their behavior when he attacked Iraq with missiles in '98.
At least be honest about it, for many of you (although, not all, see Susan no blanket 'Republican') it is a partisan issue. You'd support Bush, but not Clinton.
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Bkumm
March 31, 2007, 4:45 p.m.I can tell you what will erode our prestige. I can tell you what will hurt our viability as the world's superpower, and that is if we enmesh ourselves in a drawn-out situation which entails the loss of American lives, more debacles like the one we saw with the failed mission to capture Aideed's lieutenants, using American forces, and that then will be what hurts our prestige.
I, along with many others, will have an amendment that says exactly that. It does not give any date certain. It does not say anything about any other missions that the United States may need or feels it needs to carry out. It will say that we should get out as rapidly and orderly as possible.
Sen. John McCain - October 19, 1993
Sound familier? It should.
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Bkumm
March 31, 2007, 4:47 p.m.It is past time for the Congress to come to grips with this sorry spectacle and force the administration to find a way out of the quagmire--before Somalia becomes the pattern for future United States missions with the United Nations.
Sen Strom Thurmond (R-SC) - October 5, 1993
the American people do not believe that we should allow Americans to be targets in Somalia for 6 more months. I cannot see anything that we would achieve in 6 more months in Somalia.
Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX), October 7
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Bkumm
March 31, 2007, 4:51 p.m.What I cannot continue to support is the continuing endangerment of Americans in the service of a policy that remains absolutely mysterious and totally muddled.
Sen. Alan Simpson (R-WY) - October 6
"Presidential candidate Patrick J. Buchanan (Failed President, Flawed Policy, Dec. 18) says, "It is time to ask how grave a threat Iraq is to America. In the Gulf War, Iraq did not attack us; we attacked Iraq. We launched the 'round-the-clock air strikes with 2,000 planes for six weeks; Iraq fired back a handful of Scuds. Iraq killed scores of Americans; we killed thousands of Iraqis. Yes, Saddam makes "war on his own people," but who inflicts the greater suffering -- Saddam or a U.S.-led embargo that has claimed the lives of 239,000 children, 5 years old and under, since 1990?"
http://www.twf.org/News/Y1998/19981222-IraqAtta...
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bubba2
March 31, 2007, 6:23 p.m.Blah, blah, blah ... almost ALL of the quotes are PRE-9/11 and were based on intelligence during the Clinton administration - in other words, AT THAT TIME.
The quotes in 2002 and 2003 are based on the "so-called" intelligence information that the Bush admin "let" Congress see. That information was NOT the ACTUAL intelligence and was CHANGED to reflect what Bush and Cheney WANTED the American people to hear.
The Senate - the REPUBLICAN controlled Senate - conducted an investigation into the pre-war intelligence and found that the ACTUAL intelligence did NOT support any evidence or WMDs in Iraq, nor any evidence of an Iraq-Al Qaeda connection, nor ANY involvement of Iraq in 9/11.
These quotes have been used before, and all are taken OUT of context and/or are irrelevent because of the LIES from the Bush admin on which they were based.
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bubba2
March 31, 2007, 6:39 p.m.Here are some reasons NOT for the war for you ...
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/44771/
http://tvnewslies.org/blog/?p=503
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/2004/08/15_...
http://civillibertarian.blogspot.com/2007/03/re...
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zaph22
March 31, 2007, 8:39 p.m."There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.
"We know that he has stored away secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
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GySgt
March 31, 2007, 9:15 p.m.The only reason this information is out there is to provide propaganda to support the Iraq war. Even if its factual, its still political propaganda. Why not invade Sudan? Why not Saudi Arabia...many people there supported Bin Laden and most of the hijackers were Saudis. I am certain there many such reports like this about Syria, North Korea, and Iran? Why not invade those countries and topple those governments? Because it would be a stupid mistake! Thats why!
We might have been able to manage more sanctions, more inspections, and yes, many more air strikes against suspected WMD factories. But to go in a topple an entire government and put the country in a state of chaos with no plan to get our military out with dignity was the mother of all stupid mistakes.
Final thought: Even if everyone agrees with everything in this article. Bush is still an idiot and he continues to mismanage the war. He is incompetent. I wish Donald Trump could tell him, "You're fired!"
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Bkumm
March 31, 2007, 9:31 p.m.You know what? I can post statements from Republicans that were against attacking Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia, but you all don't care. All you want to do is attack, attack and attack. You don't care about America, you don't care about the Constitution and you don't care about our standing in the world. All you care about is you Party and quite frankly your day is coming to an end. Sooner or later, those of us who can set aside Party politics are going to beat you and then you can sit in your dark rooms and argue about this and that, but it won't matter. Because the nation will move on without you. Remember, I warned you that you will be left behind. Consider it a prophesy.
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GySgt
March 31, 2007, 9:33 p.m.Nothing more than political propaganda. There are many such reports on Iran, North Korea, Syria. Why not invade those countries? Because it stupid and illegal. That's why! There were many Saudis in support of Bin Laden. Where do you think his money came from? Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. Why not invade Saudi Arabia? Again, it would a stupid mistake.
Even if we all agree to every quote, and agree there were WMDs, we could have better managed the situation with more sanctions, more inspections, and finally, more air attacks on suspected WMD factories and stockpiles if neccessary. But to topple the entire government and dismantle their army with no plan to get our military out with diginity is the MOTHER OF ALL STUPID MISTAKES. And at the end of the day, Bush is still an incompetent idiot who SHOULD BE FIRED for mismanaging your lovely war. This article justifies nothing. Stop dwelling on the past. Its a feeble attempt at finger-pointing. Bush is a F---UP!
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bubba2
April 1, 2007, 2 a.m.I especially like the CLASSIC picture from 1983 of Saddam Hussein shaking hands with Donald Rumsfeld.
You know the old saying - "a picture is worth a thousand words" ...
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Bkumm
April 1, 2007, 12:16 a.m.You know what? You can all say whatever you want but here are the facts:
1. G. W. Bush got us into a war in Iraq that has cost us 3100 lives.
Period, full stop. Whatever you say about what the Democrats said previous to the war isn't really relevant, is it? You can say that it is, but it isn't. The war started under the Bush administration. Period.
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ADAGUY
April 1, 2007, 8:35 a.m.I'm waiting for someone to quote Bill Clinton as saying
"Hey, lets get into an un-winnable conflict, wasting hundreds of billions of dollars in a third world country, making sure that we occupy that country for several years. One Viet Nam isn't enough. If the public outcry is too much, all we have to say is "don't you support the troops?""
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osurman
April 1, 2007, 8:45 a.m.Great entry.
Additional recommendation: Read Niall Ferguson ( Professor
of History, Harvard University: The Burden of America's
Empire.
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earthlover
April 1, 2007, 9:07 a.m.democracy has arrived in iraq the country is having 1 big party everyday everything in the gardens lovely, doesnt it make you feel proud
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lvrofwolves
April 1, 2007, 9:48 a.m.Maybe my reading comprehension isn't very good, but what I kept reading about was Saddam Hussein,Saddam Hussein, Saddam Hussein, Saddam Hussein. Ok...he's dead! I'm sure daddy Bush and baby Bush are sleeping much better these days, too bad the troops, the families and friends of the men and women serving our country most likely aren't sleeping so well. and maybe the mother holding her child with it's legs blown off, saying well at least I will get freedom, thank-you America!
do I dare hit the submit button? :-O
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quackpot
April 1, 2007, 10:18 a.m.There is a large difference between the speaches and embargo of the Clinton administration and the Actions of the Bush administration.
Clinton adiminstration raised to possibility of WMD and took action to investigate the reality of WMD.
Bush ignored information that placed doubt on the existance of WMD . Bush hyped demonstrably false charges against Iraq (uranium, connections with Bin Ladden etc) in order to justify invasion.
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zcaveman
April 1, 2007, 10:32 a.m.Whats it take to get a moron to understand that this war started in 1991. The Iraqi government did'nt live up to their promises(what a shocker) so we struck a little harder in 2003. Anyone that dos'nt understand that these people want us DEAD and would be happy to let terrorist train in their backyard simply needs to spend a day in Bagdad. The WMD's were never found because we gave Iraq 12 years to hide them...I could hide the moon in 12 years.
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earthlover
April 1, 2007, 11:07 a.m.the iraq insurgents would not be able to kill allied troops if the west had not invaded, fact
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flyonthewallzz
April 1, 2007, 11:20 a.m."Beware of the leader, who strikes the war drum in order to transfer the citizens into patriotic glow, patriotism is indeed a double-sided sword. It makes the blood so boldly, like it constricts the intellect. And if the striking of the war drum reached a fiebrige height and the blood is cooking and hating, and the intellect is dismissed, the leader doesn't need to reject the citizens rights. The citizens, cought by anxiety and blinded through patriotism, will subordinate all their rights to the leader and this even with happy courage. Why do I know that? I know it, because this is, what I did. And I am Gajus Julius Cäsar."
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zcaveman
April 1, 2007, 11:20 a.m.And Saddam Hussein would still be in power..whats your point? DURRRR
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