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Posted by: coreyspring 2 years, 8 months agoToday, millions of Christians around the world celebrate the Resurrection of Jesus Christ during this season of Easter. But perhaps most don't realize that it was not until the fourth century that Easter was uniformly observed by Christians.
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brothers
April 8, 2007, 10:50 a.m.I agree with the author. We should celebrate Easter the same time as Passover. Afterall, Jesus was Jewish and Christians should follow the same holydays as he did. To have changed it was wrong. It would be nice to celebrate the Holydays with our breathren.
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WCFIELDS
April 8, 2007, 11:56 a.m.My Uncle told me that Bush wants to combine Easter with Martin Luther King Junior's Birthday.
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bscarb
April 8, 2007, 12:29 p.m.From the article: "It was anti-Semitism - racism against the Jews, which was responsible for the Christian church's adoption of Easter over the Passover which has Old Testament (Jewish) roots. A brutal and vicious persecution against the Jews had started from early under Emperor Hadrian who outlawed Jewish practices and customs."
Hadrian was not a Christian so his persecution of Jews cannot be laid at the door of the church. Also, the relations between Christians and Jews in the early centuries of the church is not as it has often been depicted. It was much worse later.
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Jaydee40
April 8, 2007, 1:14 p.m.This is what happens when one religion is founded on top of another, the new one tries to ride itself of past connections in order to assert it's own individualism.
Frankly Christianity is just a pagan religion at best that was Romes attempt at controlling a Jewish factions demand for a more just civilization. To many power hungry political Popes have destroyed any creditability it might of once had.
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history-ferret
April 8, 2007, 2:06 p.m.WHY 4 CENTURIES AFTER CRUCIFIXION?
READ EZIKIEL 8:15-18 FOR THIS IS AN ABOMINATION; FOR THEY PUT THE BRANCHES TO THEIR NOSES. TO WORSHIP EASTER YOU ARE WORSHIPPING BAAL THE SUN GOD. TURNING YOUR BACKS TO YAHWEH, AND TURNING TO FACE THE RISING SUN ON SUNDAY, YOU ARE WORSHIPPING BAAL THE SUN GOD, NOT YAHWEH THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS.
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Beth316
April 8, 2007, 4:52 p.m.I'm more than happy to be able to have my passover in peace and avoid the christians who still tell me -on a regular basis that I'm "going to hell". I was raised christian but saw the light in my early teens and the more I see of christians, the happier I am in my lil "hellish" world.
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most_reasonable
April 8, 2007, 5:02 p.m.Jesus rose early today, saw his shadow, and now we're in for 6 more weeks of lousy weather.
(With all due repects to the Smothers Brothers).
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edromar2
April 8, 2007, 5:41 p.m.bscarb noted from the article: "It was anti-Semitism - racism against the Jews, which was responsible for the Christian church's adoption of Easter over the Passover which has Old Testament (Jewish) roots."
Romans sought to treat Jews like they did everyone else under their control. The Romans were perfectly content that the Jews could worship as they pleased. Herod the Great had rebuilt the Jews' Temple. where the Jews refused to reciprocate by giving lip service to the Roman Gods and divinity of the Emporer.
So Agustus abolished the Ethnarch of Judea when Ethnarch Herod Archelaus beheaded the Jew's Chief Priest Zeckariah in the Temple (6 AD) after that father of John the Baptist and uncle of Mary (who he had raised in the Temple) had lied to Herod Archelaus about where the Magi had gone to worship the infant Messiah. Herod had tried to kill Jesus by ordering that all the infants there be killed. Augustus would not allow any such persecution by any people.
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droid3913
April 8, 2007, 6:08 p.m.On Good Friday, Jesus was cruisified and died. On Saturday he decended to hell to free the forgiven souls. On Sunday (Easter) he was risen from the dead. Does that help?
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Sandokan
April 8, 2007, 5:56 p.m.To Each His Own ...remember that saying? Okay to all a Happy Easter!!! Celebrate or do not ...do as you please ...but enjoy the holiday. Drive carefully.
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edromar2
April 8, 2007, 6:13 p.m.bscarb (continued)
In 69 AD the Romans wiped out Herod's rebuilt Temple in Jerusalem, and most of the people in the city in retaliation for theuir seeking autonomy in religion and politics not alowed anyone in the Roman Empire.
But that was not anti-semitism. It was how the Romans treated everyone who did not toe or tow their line.
But it is not true, as bscarb claimed, that "...Hadrian...outlawed Jewish practices and customs."
Hadrian simply outlawed and banished anyone claiming to be a Jew from his empire when the Roman had their fill of Jewish intransigence.
However, Christians were then still considered by many people to be Jews--as many were, especially in the Holy Land. The Christians' intransigence contributed to the Jews' repute.
However, it was in reaction to the fact that the Romans sought to destroy the Christians as Jews--as well as all other Jews--that many Christians sought to find grounds to distinguish themselves from the Jews.
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edromar2
April 8, 2007, 6:28 p.m.bscarb (continued) noted correctly that
"Hadrian['s]... persecution of Jews cannot be laid at the door of the church."
Yet, as a consequence of trying to distinguish themselves from the circumcised Jews, many Christians rejected Jewish things like circumcision (since the lions were trained to eat only circumcised members of the congregations--just a little joke). Not to be outdone in condemnation after 135 AD, many Christians joined in beating up on the Jews for awhile.
From Trajan on, the Christians themselves became pricks in the side of Rome for most of the same reasons the Jews had. They too refused to give lip service to worshiping the Roman state Gods including Emporers who wanted to be known as Gods.
Eventually, no one cared whether or not Christians were or were not Jews, especially as the difficult Jews had been driven out and underground into Africa, etc., and many urbane Jews who could live under Roman rule and rules were no longer troublesome.
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edromar2
April 8, 2007, 6:32 p.m.rimbaud asked "Was the last supper a passover seder?"
Yes, it was held in the rooftop garden of the house Joseph of Arimathea had bought for Mary after she had to flee the Temple under Zechariah. It was from there that Judas fled and returned to flee Peter's sword in madness.
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edromar2
April 8, 2007, 6:42 p.m.droid3913 said that
"On Good Friday, Jesus was cruisified and died. On Saturday he decended to hell to free the forgiven souls. On Sunday (Easter) he was risen from the dead."
But according to the Bible of Joseph of Arimathea that I ascribe to, Jesus was taken from the passover seder to his trial on Thursday, and put on the cross on Friday afternoon for 4 to five hours and buried before the Sabbath. On the very early morning of the Sabbath, Jesus was revealed not to be any longer in Joseph of Arimathea's tomb. (Having been shuttled off during the previous evening).
That was the morning of the Sabbath. It was during the attempt to distinguish themselves from the Jews that the choice was made to "celebrate" Jesus' supposed ressurection and worship God on the following day. Jews held the Sabbath--Christians took over Sundays to show they were not Jews.
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edromar2
April 8, 2007, 6:58 p.m.earthlingerer asked "What created Yahweh and left him god?"
You want a conventional answer or the truth as Joseph of Arimathea taught it? You already know the former:
The messengers of the sky gods of Orion came to earth and intermixed with our brutes and man quickly evolved culturally to take advantage of his new hybrid nature, but failed to follow the advice of their mentors until men brought on a great era of storms and icemelts and floods that quickly raised the sea level 600 feet and destroyed most civilizations.
For centuries men slowly tried to evolve culturally once again without being given powers by their mentors until around 3500 BCE when they began to relearn the ancient hieroglyphics. But they were getting the symbols wrong, reverting to worship of the Sun in Egypt and into a war between sun and moon elsewhere.
The mentors set up secret sects among some Pharoahnic families to teach the truth to rulers while people worshiped the sun.
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edromar2
April 8, 2007, 7:10 p.m.Earthlingerer (continued):
Yet some tribes from Sumer who had been mentored by the messengers eventually were cast out by the moon goddess in Summer and eventually made there way to Egypt as Tutmoses was beginning to rule and Joseph saved him and convinced the cult in Egypt that they shared the same universal God which had always been symbolized by a disc with a multitude of hands giving all good gifts to all mankind. The popular faith had seen that as the sun and worshiped their limited bastardization of it as Re/Ra the sun God.
By the 13th century BC the Pharaoh Akhenaton rebelled against the established priesthood when they refused to reform their faith in accord with the secrets of the Pharaohnic cult of Aton.
The priests of Re had a counter revolution and destroyed Akhenaton, his wife, the Helene, Nefertitti, and his son King Tut, first dedicated to Aton, then Forced to worship Re, until he rebelled to worship his father's God.
Eventually
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edromar2
April 8, 2007, 7:21 p.m.Earthlingerer (continued):
Hidden in their secret Pharaohnic cult, and among the Hebrew immigrants who followed Joseph, the worship of the universal god known as Aton and "he who is who he is" was outlawed. One of the sons of the house of Ahmoses branch of the Tutmoses dynasty (18th), who we know as Moses (who had been faked to be a Hebrew to save him from the priests of Ra/Re) returned from banishment to lead the Hebrews into the wilderness and teach them a purer version of the faith Joseph had brought them.
He led them into the wilderness in the early 12th century along with the messengers who fed them while Moses sought to teach them the worship of the one true universal god who is not just the most but the only. They were always impossible, only accepting the first commandment to be that they should have no other god before Yahweh (who is who he is)--undefinable goodness of creativity whose symbol is of universal giving.
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LvJ92
April 8, 2007, 8:08 p.m.It's really sad to know what religion really is to some people out there, disappointing even. But Kalo Pascha!
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tovahsez
April 8, 2007, 8:14 p.m.Eating the Easter ham was another anti-semitic practice. It became the official Easter food to keep out Jews who may have been (even remotely) considering that Yeshua (Jesus) might be the promised Messiah. What amazes me is why so many Christians question how Jews can reject their own Messiah. The answer is simple there is nothing Jewish about how He is presented to them and they have no desire to follow the anti-Torah ways of the Christians. See my poem "Tovah slams" at www.tovahsez.blogspot.com
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