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Posted by: freelancer 2 years, 8 months agoBAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Bombings in Karbala and the Baghdad area killed at least 56 people and wounded more than 80 others Saturday morning, police and medical officials said. A car bomb blast in a crowded shopping area of central Karbala, a holy Shiite city about 70 miles southwest of Baghdad, killed at least 43 people and wounded 55, according
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earthlover
April 14, 2007, 11:20 a.m.more dead in baghdad, more families torn apart. iraq needs a miracle now, not a surge.
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EsaEngr
April 14, 2007, 11:22 a.m.The surge is working! If you cannot attribute to (or understand) the sharp DECLINE in the # of coalition forces and Iraqi civilians being killed daily, to the increase in our brave Soldiers, then I can only deduce that you are of the group that believes that we should simply quit and pull all our troops out. How different would our world be if your voice would have been heard during WWII, when we lost Thousands of Men in a single day, not 3,000 in nearly 4 years! And, if you do not believe that radical muslim is just as dangerous to the free people of the World, as Hitler was during his reign, then i can only hope WHEN some future event occours that will prove that to you, that it does not take the lives of to many people, including both your loved ones and mine. The true, peace loving Muslims, MUST stand up and begin putting an end to the very small # of Radicals that are corrupting their religion and killing their innocents.
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NelsonR
April 14, 2007, 11:41 a.m.EsaEngr - Your post reminds me of John McCain saying the streets in Baghdad are safe. Then he goes there with his flack jacket on, hundreds of security guards, snipers on roofs and armed helicopters overhead. Am i missing something here or do you conservatives lack perspective and sanity. I know, world super power and dominion over others is your actual agenda?
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EsaEngr
April 14, 2007, 11:50 a.m.I cannot argue that things have deteriated since we took out Saddam (rightly or wrongly), and regardless of whether you call it an invasion, occupation or Liberation, however i was commenting directly to the post that asked how the surge was working. I still believe that the true thing that will stop the violence there and in the rest of this World, is for the HUGE Majority of peace loving Muslims to stand up to the radicals, including ALL the Radical Clerics, that are subverting their religion, wherever in the World that is occuring, then to allow our (and other countries) Brave Soldiers go in and take care of business, whether that be in direct combat or thru the use of missles and bombs, and IF a bunch of people want to form "human sheilds", then turn them into dust along with those they seek to shield!
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EsaEngr
April 14, 2007, 11:55 a.m.Nelson, that is not my agenda at all, and i am sorry that you think it is. My "agenda" is simple. To allow all people of this world to live their lives, free from the threat of Radical Muslim terrorists. Unfortunatly it appears the only thing that stops radicalism, and appearantly the only thing they understand, requires the use of overwhelming force.
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maynuh
April 14, 2007, 12:34 p.m.Are we any better than the Radical Muslim Terrorists? We invade their country and try to make them live a lifestyle that they have never experienced. How would we like it if they invaded the US and tried to make us all into Muslims. Yes, we got rid of Sadaam, but, have we improved anything since? And I hope listening to the Generals does better than it did in Viet Nam. This war has all the signs of being another Viet Nam. We will leave embarrassed and defeated. Only 6 years and 55,000 troops to go to catch up with Viet Nam.
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earthlover
April 14, 2007, 12:35 p.m.the iraq war was wrong, plain and simple. i know iraqis that fled iraq during saddam husseins rule and they all say the same thing. under saddams rule you had 1 fear in your mind and that was crossing saddam or his party. women were allowed to have an education and to go to work. a lot of the ethnic minorities were actually left alone. a lot of families went through their lives and were not touched by saddam husseins rule, how many people can say now in post invasion iraq that they have not been touched by the secterian violence. saddam was without a doubt an evil man, but i dont suppose the iraqis could have thought that the cost of freedom would be so high.
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EsaEngr
April 14, 2007, 12:50 p.m.Maynuh... Yes, we are! In one simple aspect... WE do NOT target innocent Civilian populations or the buildings they work in. Yes, there have a VERY FEW attrocities committed, and those responsible are being brought to justice. I am not saying this war is right, but we are there now... that is the fact, and our goal is far different from them invading the U.S. and trying to turn us all into Muslims, our goal now is to allow them to govern themselves, deciding how their country will be governed, and to provide a path towards freedom.
It does show signs of Vietnam, through the level that people are trying to tie our militarys' hands!
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squeezerb
April 14, 2007, 1:22 p.m.Let's make this real easy! First, please tell me the EXACT set of circumstances that must exist before you think that we can leave.
Secondly, please list those benchmarks that must be met for the surge to be thought of as either successful or not. Make these concrete and measurable.
thirdly, if you truly support this action, tell us what you are doing that represents the type of sacrifice that our soldiers and their families are enduring. If you are thoroughly convinced that this is the right thing to do, tell me why you haven't enlisted.
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NelsonR
April 14, 2007, 2:33 p.m.Well I say take care of America and the hell with the rest of the world who already hate us. Gosh, many Americans and our infrastructure needs attention, not foreigners. But alas, it will never be since our elite rich in America have most conservatives snowed by the alien threat. I'm for protecting our borders and missle defense with a strong modernized armed forces but you cannot continue this charade of world moral authority and policeman.
ITS COMMON SENSE BUT OUR RICH WANT DOMINION OVER ALL NATIONS.
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earthlover
April 14, 2007, 3:34 p.m.if the usa withdrew its military bases from all over the world and concentrated on its own internal affairs maybe the rest of the world would not see america as an arrogant agressive power and might actually find better ways to interact with the american people
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hoppy
April 14, 2007, 4:49 p.m.What's a few billion add to the national debt? SS,medicare, medicade and still fourty-three million people without health insurance. Dose Bush care? ROTF
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hoppy
April 14, 2007, 4:46 p.m.What else is new? I would be worried if there weren't any suicide bombers. " We need to get out of Iraq Mr.Bush! The people do ont want us there !" Get out before we lose all of our troups!
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NelsonR
April 14, 2007, 5:33 p.m.Nobody has mentioned this but we are constantly warned that if we leave Iraq the terrorist will follow.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Bush is already here.
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Thinker22
April 14, 2007, 5:48 p.m.hamy: What about radical Jews? What about radical Christians who blow up abortion clinics? What about radical Hindus or other religions? Muslims are not the only ones who have radicals.
This is correct. Other religions have radicals, too. Muslim radicals, however, are the only ones who use mass murder as a political tool.
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Thinker22
April 14, 2007, 5:53 p.m.hamy: 3,000 US civillians killed. 500,000 Iraqi civillians killed. Does that seem right? That means that it takes 166.66 Iraqui civillian deaths to equal 1 American death. They are not sub human. An Iraqi death is still a death. And whether you like it or not, they deserve the same respect that any human being deserves. It is not our place to rule them.
During WWII many more Japanese were killed than Americans. Nevertheless, it were the Japanese who started the war and it were the Japanese who were responsible for the results.
Further, even Americans do not have the superweapon able to distinguish between civilians and terrorists in the same building. It's the civilian "human shields" that can support the terrorists or oppose them. They can not pretend that the terrorists do not exist, however.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin
April 14, 2007, 9:36 p.m.a leaked document from bush's own people last summer stated that there seemed to be no reduction in terrorism in Iraq, and that 'the current effort may be exacerbating the situation'[or words close to that]
I don't remember the exact quotes and am a novice at googling, but that Iraqi report was leaked late last summer. Bush had no choice but to release most of it to the press for public scrutiny, tho some of it was blacked out.
you may not remember that, but that was from inside the administration, so no 'liberal spin' possible there.
There is no way to measure 'winning the war on terrorism', but I would take almost daily suicide bombings to be a bad sign.
If a count was kept on suicide bombings before and after Bush's invasion of Afghanistan, I imagine the number to be WAY higher after the 'war on terror' began.
Being 'proactive' and doing SOMETHING is comforting, but sometimes that 'positive' action is counterproductive.
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capecoralM
April 14, 2007, 7:19 p.m.Could it be that they were already there and are now out in the open instead of hiding in the shadows? Could it be that we went to their neck of the woods to expose them and now we SEE?
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earthlover
April 14, 2007, 5:57 p.m.i always will remember a report on bbc news prior to the initial bombing of afghanistan. a french christian aid worker who was working in afghanistan at the time said this about the villagers he was working with " these people have never heard of the twin towers, they have never heard of new york and have only a vague idea as to where america is. i bet they understand only too well now.
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Thinker22
April 14, 2007, 5:58 p.m.earthlover: if the usa withdrew its military bases from all over the world and concentrated on its own internal affairs maybe the rest of the world would not see america as an arrogant agressive power and might actually find better ways to interact with the american people.
I'm afraid that if the US withdrew its military in response to terrorism those terrorists would reasonably assume that more terrorism would lead to even more withdrawals, don't you agree?
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Thinker22
April 14, 2007, 6:02 p.m.earthlover: i always will remember a report on bbc news...
I'm sure you can offer a better way to prevent terrorists from murdering thousands of innocent people than bombing and killing these terrorists. Tell me what it is and I'll always remember it.
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Thinker22
April 14, 2007, 6:16 p.m.I am sarcastic because I see you complaining about the simple truth that people are being killed during a war. If you're against killing the terrorists it means that you're willing to let them kill you or, rather, let others to risk their lives protecting you, your family and your country from terrorism while you're criticizing them from the safety of your home.
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