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Colorado smoking ban ruled unconstitutional »
Posted by: GregD 2 years, 8 months agoSuddenly, the state's ban on smoking has lit up again. Adams County Judge Robert S. Doyle last week ruled that the smoking ban is unconstitutional because of the exemption for cigar bars. A cigar bar is one that derives a percentage of its business from selling tobacco products.
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My name is Greg and I'm a Community Leader here on Propeller.
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pacificmist
April 14, 2007, 3:51 p.m.You know all this time I thought we lived in a free country. Seems to me that there are a few people telling the rest of us what we can't do and where we can't do it.
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hamy
April 14, 2007, 4:19 p.m.I think this ruling will have a really big ripple effect. It's gonna change a lot of laws out there.
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NelsonR
April 14, 2007, 5:25 p.m.Here I go, my hackles go up on this kind of article. First, everyone is going to die, yes you too, so don't act so pios and think god is going to have you sit on his right side.
Second, I enjoy smoking as my one vice and I am respectful around other people, I don't smoke if it bothers them.
Third, what is your goal in life, to grow old and sit in a wheel chair drooling or in a rest home where they smack the hell out of you.
Fourth, If I want to smoke and it does not infringe on another thats my choice, get it? Thats my choice, so get a life of your own. You probably have vices but you will refute them and in other words you are a hypocrite moron.
Fifth, Peace to all those who agree with me.
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sjm234
April 14, 2007, 6:19 p.m.its a really simple fix let the establishment owner decide weather to allow smoking or not its there buisness thats affected some will allow some wont works for everyone im sick of standing out in the fcking rain to have a smoke when i spend just as much money if not more than others
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KSUmarksman
April 14, 2007, 6:24 p.m.I find it funny that while smoking kills around 300,000 people a year, yet guns kill around 30,000 (that includes justifiable defense shootings, and stupid people accidentally offing themselves), I can't carry in most restaurants but it is OK to turn restaurants into gas chambers.
IMO, nonsmokers should announce and obey a boycott of all bars for 6 months or so, when these businesses lose the patronage of the nonsmoking MAJORITY, perhaps they will voluntarily make their establishments non-smoking
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pacificmist
April 14, 2007, 7:15 p.m.I smoke and that is my right. I respect the laws and people who don't smoke, but I will tell you this. If I am out side and lite up and someone comes by and says something to about it we have a problem. I somke in my house, my car, get it my! Mine! they make a restaurant for non smokers then they should make one for smokers as well. And don't give me that crap about gas chambers, most of the people bitc_ing about us smokers drive, use gas powered equipment, and on and on. I also have the right to ask all you non smokers to not get drunk and drive and you see how much good that does me.
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lvrofwolves
April 14, 2007, 7:20 p.m.The owner should decide, if I as a customer don't want to go in, nobody forces me.
They can either post a 'this is a smoking establishment, or this is a NON smoking establishment. And for those who want to continue to have non smoking sections- even better.
This probably won't go over well...but we do need some kind of population control, and if a persons vices make it so they die early, so be it.
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pacificmist
April 14, 2007, 9:26 p.m.The non smokers seem to think the only ones who have any kind of vice is the smokers. If every smoker would stop, who would pay the extra taxes for all the non smokers to have all the laws and bills passed to keep us from smoking?
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BronxBomber
April 14, 2007, 9:43 p.m.Good!For Colorado! Score one for us smokers, and zero for them "Health Nazi's" I hope N.Y. will follow suit, but I strongly doubt it.
(lighting cigar)
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Forester
April 14, 2007, 10:19 p.m.I am not a smoker... However I believe in the liberties of the Citizens of the USA. IF a bar owner wishes to make his bar into a smoking establishment it is his choice, the same holds true for a restraunt. My town has recently passed a smoking ordnance , guess who got a smoking exemption ; The Moose club , the Shriners , The Country Club and the Fair board. It is of interest that those groups had enough money to fight the ban and the the major arguement put forth by both the Moose and shriners was that a smoking ban would hurt thier bingo nights. I have not smoked in 8 years , however if my friends want to light up in a bar next to me , it is basically no skin off of my ass... enough of the nanny state.
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FirePro911
April 15, 2007, 8:04 a.m.HAHA! It's joke that smokers are addicted to a product that is on the market to do nothing more than addict them.
Smokers can come up with every excuse in the world on why they smoke, why they should be able to smoke, where they should be able to smoke, but the bottom line is addiction, and a sorry one at that.
Your hair stinks, your clothes stink, the inside of your car stinks, the inside of you house stinks, ect...
Take the time to look around your house, wipe the front of the TV screen, see what comes off of it, yellow. Look up at your ceilings, walls, remove a picture, looks that the yellow outline.
And please do not give me the excuses, my house, my hair, my rights, they are valid excuses though but are already beat to death.
Like I said before, it's addiction at it's greatest and it is killing thousands of you daily. I see the results of smoking every shift I go to work.
I only laugh at smokers and what they are doing to themselves.
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pacificmist
April 15, 2007, 11:19 a.m.I only have one reason why I smoke I LIKE IT. I enjoy somking. And yes I will tell you my house, my car, my hair and my what ever. If I paid for it and it is mine then I can do as I please with it. But I have a point for you to ponder.I can't go into a restaurant and smoke fine so be it. But the person serving my food may or may not have aids guess what I can't ask them because it is their RIGHT not to tell me. Do you not think I have the right to know. So lets talk about things that can affect your health. Lets talk about rights and laws and finger pointing. While billions are being spent on non smoking laws, people are breaking real laws every second of everyday. A child get molested, a women get abused, so one is walking into a school and shooting people just because. There are more important things in this life to worry about. Smokers is just an easy out so the real issues don't have to be address.
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FirePro911
April 15, 2007, 1:23 p.m.Sorry to inform you pacificmist but everything you list IS being taken care of. Those people who break real laws everyday ARE getting justice served on them. It might be after the fact, but that is what the law is there for. The law will not deter the molestation, the school shootings, a woman getting abused. Those things will still happen.
Also since you compared smoking to a food server with AIDS and how he/she affects your health, does that not mean what you do does not affect anyones health? Because you say it like smoking does not affect ones health.
And I hate to inform you, but when a law is passed against non-smoking in public places, that law is just as REAL as all the other laws.
I never said you couldn't smoke up your house, car and other things you own. I was pointing out the fact that it is ALL smoked up, nasty yellow and stinking.
And no you don't smoke because you like it, you smoke because you are addicted to it. Plain and simple.
Nice try though.
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pacificmist
April 15, 2007, 2:44 p.m.Hate to disagree but, you are wrong, the "nasty yellow and stinking" is in my house not yours. And yes a food worker with aids does affect my health. To be fair to all the people who work, pay taxes, vote, and run this country somking establishments as well as non smoking establishments should be set up. Then we have the freedom of choice which is what this all comes down to anyway. And then and only then can you and I make an informed choice of which side we want to be on. California has some of the tuffest laws against smoking, yet we let people drink in public. I don't smoke in nonsmoking areas so I don't expect people to bitc_ when I smoke where I can. I'm not saying my smoke does not affect your health I am how ever saying give me the same rights as everyone else buy setting aside places where I can smoke and then don't come into those places if it bugs you. What would happen to our goverment without the taxes from smokers. And by the way I SMOKE BECAUSE I LIKE TO.
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FirePro911
April 15, 2007, 6:44 p.m.It would be great if setting up non-smoking and smoking establishments would work. But I do not see a company setting up one or the other separately. to much money involved. They would rather do as they do now here in Texas and run one establishment with both sections.
Though they always separate them with only chairs, a half wall or just a sign. The smoke goes all over the establishment no matter what. That is why so many want totally non-smoking now.
A place of business will never set it up just for one or the other. They want everyones business at once to make the money.
You mention drinking in public, well that does not affect me as I do not smell their foul beer and the smoke from the beer does not get into my clothes, nose and health. So you really cannot use that to compare the two.
Soon enough it will be non-smoking everywhere. It is not taken away your right to smoke and once addicted you will have that smoke no matter what. It is just limiting where you can smoke.
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FirePro911
April 15, 2007, 6:53 p.m.Hell, you haven't been able to smoke in City building forever, also in work places, also in supermarkets, other stores and such. Did you and others complain then?
They are just now getting around to eating establishments and bars, which actually are the only places left.
Believe me, once they do it will not hurt the tax rate you speak of. California has been smoke free for how long? has it affected the tax base at all?
You are right though, we should have the freedom of choice. But as I said it cannot be that way for this issue. Smokers take over clubs, bars and restaurants with their smoke.
So where is my freedom of choice at? Either I go into one of those places, come out smelling like smoke, affect my health, or I stay home. Not much choice for me huh?
Smokers can go into any establishment they please without worrying about the smoke as they are only going to create more.
I seem to not have the same freedom of choice as you do. Well, I do but it sucks.
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