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Posted by: MyWayOnNow 2 years, 7 months agoFour bombings in Baghdad that killed at least 182 Shiites yesterday provided a tragic backdrop to a meeting with President Bush and Democratic leaders over funding for his troop surge. In all, 233 people were killed or found dead yesterday across Iraq, second only to the 281 toll on Nov.23 last year.
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MilesAway
April 19, 2007, 9:16 a.m."People have strong opinions around the table ... I've got my own opinion," Bush said. "The whole objective is to figure out how best to get our troops funded, get the money they need to do the job that I've asked them to do."
Personally I do not like "Mr. President" but we are in this "sh**" together and let supports our troops and our president, because if we abandon Iraq and Afghanistan we will need another source of energy for our "hungry" lifestyles... Here is not dem. or rep. any more.
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vor
April 19, 2007, 9:50 a.m."Please Mr. President, work out some diplomatic deal."
The problem is that neo-cons do not believe in diplomacy. We don't talk to our so-called enemies. We put up walls and close them out. This results in the rhetoric wars that lead to real wars.
There is no "job" the troops can do that will fix this mess. That is a total misnomer. The best we can hope for is temporary stability and then either we maintain a large permanent presence (as the neocons desire) to prevent future sectarian violence (which we can't stop now with 150,000 troops), or we pull out (what the rest of us and the Iraqis eventually desire). It is up to the Iraqi people to fix their country. We are not babysitters, are we?
Always remember that GW Bush is not a neocon. He has no foreign policy agenda. Never created one. Has no writings or real thoughts on the subject. He is just being led around by the nose by Cheney and his goons. Hardly the "decider" he claims to be.
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darkness
April 19, 2007, 10:03 a.m.Damn the Iraq people have suffered so much when will this end. The Americans can't do anything let the Iraqi people decide what they want. The Iraqi's have suffered so much and been through hell with Saddam. They are very tough and strong people.
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espse
April 19, 2007, 10:26 a.m.Hey, 180 dead in one day!!! The surge!!! What a great idea.
I hear Cheney and Bush have pledged their family fortunes to the children and widows of those that fight in their war of choice to police Iraq. Consevative compassion. NOT
Come on war chicken hawk hypocrit cowards. SIGN UP FOR THE WAR, and if you are too old, SIGN UP YOUR CHILDREN. The Bush twins are on the front lines!!! But your ass where your mouth is. Join the police action, yellow coward chickenhawk bush supporting freaks.
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saneman
April 19, 2007, 10:33 a.m.How can anybody say they support the troops when they want the troops to be in harms way and get killed? If you really support the troops, then get them out of Iraq. Bring them back home so that they can defend our borders. The troops are not going to be able to change those insane people. They are brainwashed into believing in their God and that will never change.
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Gungnir
April 19, 2007, 10:38 a.m.This war is up to the Iraqis to decide for themselves. Troops cannot stop factions from killing each other. We need to come home.
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NoWayMan
April 19, 2007, 11:02 a.m.Since the surge began, we've seen the deadliest single bombing take place as well as the deadliest day overall since the war began.
Bush keeps trying to convince us that if we leave, chaos will take over and there will be massive killing in the streets.
well guess what? those things are already happening, in the present tense.
we have to wake up.
Bush has lost control in Iraq.
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NoWayMan
April 19, 2007, 11:05 a.m."The very fundamental issue is, they don't know where the hell they're going."
- retired Marine Gen. John J. "Jack" Sheehan, a former top NATO commander, speaking about the Bush Administration's effort in Iraq.
General Sheehan was one of the generals who rejected Bush's job offer to become our nation's "War Czar"
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MilesAway
April 19, 2007, 11:12 a.m.you have to have it before you can lose it
??????????...
We will lose if we do not continue!
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MilesAway
April 19, 2007, 11:56 a.m.You are LOSING IT because your profile are not really AMERICAN. Here is part of it:
"Do not send me any personal messages to debate your opinions about any story or comment I have posted. Your message will not stay personal. I will cut, paste, and post it infront for everyone to see. I have already embarrassed one member"
MY DEAR SageXparadox WE ALL HAVE RIGHT TO SEND YOU A PERSONAL MESSAGE, BECAUSE IT IS A RULE OF THIS FORUM.
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geogeo
April 19, 2007, 11:26 a.m.Saddam was an enemy of bin laden. All of the Arab countries that are allies of the U.S. are monarchies or strong men, they are ruthless rulers of their perspective populations. Saddam should have been cajoled into being a partner against bin laden and his network. There's a V-Tech Univ day every day in Iraq.
Bush ******-up Iraq for intel that he and his henchmen cherry-picked and then presented to the world. Iraq is lost because the U.S. invaded it put one sect out of power and another one in. The civil war was kept in check by saddam, he was no saint to be sure, but he only killed iraquis when they threatened his power( bush does the same).
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NelsonR
April 19, 2007, 11:29 a.m.SURGE - SURGE - SURGE, Now it's time for Bush and Cheney to go surge with any weapon they like and get this war over. They are both war ready and alert. This war could be over by tomorrow if only they would go to Iraq.
But I know, they are typical cowards who will refuse, but they will send your son or daughter, not theirs. Typical fatcat republican money loving conservative in America.
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McMoon
April 19, 2007, 12:03 p.m.No doubt,
Do they see the pictures of these market places after the bombing, the body parts and the blood. The mothers crying and the children maimed and fatherless. They probably do, and like alot of people in this county could'nt care less as long as its not them and they get there oil. Shamefull.
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rickcb
April 19, 2007, 12:35 p.m."Why should we hear about body bags, and deaths...I mean, it's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"
~Barbara Bush
Mrs. Bush spoke these words on ABC's "Good Morning America," March 18, 2003.
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liberty
April 19, 2007, 12:48 p.m.33 people die, we seemed outraged. 182 Iraquis died, we seem divided.
Anyone knows the total of iraqui deaths since the war started?
A word to the wise: What started out as a lie can never end victoriously. If Bush truly believes there is God, then he already knows that the blood of the innocent does not go unnheard. Bush is responsible, because he made this decision to go to war, therefore any result will reflect directly on him.
On what to do now, we have no choice but to be sitting ducks because we screwed up. Staying or leaving both options will bring more deaths. The best thing to do is getting the iraquis involve, and all of it's neighbors, and our allies, not to continue the war, but for security purposes. We have no choice now, we must talk to everyone involve, we have already exhausted all of the other options, this is not about winning the war(none of our goals beside the oil has been achieved), but about saving the innocent lives.
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WCFIELDS
April 19, 2007, 1:32 p.m.I keep wondering if Alexander The Great would have had all these problems. Maybe he didn't have a bunch of sissies back at home screaming at him everytime someone tickled a prisoner with a feather, made fun of him or otherwise horribly mutilated the prisoners self image.
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sue2008
April 19, 2007, 1:49 p.m.it seems like it is a daily routine for themm....i don't know if it is in today's news or yesterday's new ....... it is really sad....
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin
April 19, 2007, 2:33 p.m.Been posting on here for awhile under different names, and I just realized something somewhat disheartening.
The same arguments have been going on on here for the duration.
I coulda just saved my answers and posts in word pad and just copy-n-paste.
This tells me that the situation in Iraq doesn't seem to be changing anymore than folks opinions on here.
so why should I think continued US military presence in Iraq will change anything either.
one thing I HAVE noticed is how many of the con posters have jumped ship and fled for friendlier pastures.
There is one fellow on the first page I won't mention by name, who've I've corrected at least four times when he says that the 1993 WTC bombing was done by Al Qaeda when there was 'no conclusive evidence of Al Qaeda involvement' according to US authorities, and the culprits were tried and convicted.
I am looking forward to the 5th,6th,7th...
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edromar2
April 19, 2007, 2:48 p.m.The only people being endanghered ate the troops Bush has needlessly and foolishly sent in harms way--if bBushy continues to9 order them to stay in an untenable position.
The American people and their Congress have declared that thios war is over. So why does Duh?bya not get it that there must be fifty ways to leave Iraqis to continue on their own.
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edromar2
April 19, 2007, 2:55 p.m.DeadXXXManXXXTalkin :
Sadely, many posters here seem to do what you are considering and don't acknowledge all we have found out over the years. Few are as dumb as Rove. But most are as insulting in their comments that assume we are so dumb we have not learned from all the disclosures that5 show all the lies and deceptions by which people were led to let these bustards work their way of destructyion across Iraq.
It matters not that Duhbya now admits some of the truths that onjly a pitiful few right wing neocons now claim.
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edromar2
April 19, 2007, 3:09 p.m.MilesAway
Our troops have no job to do in Iraq except to get out alive ASAP. That is the only really good thing we can do at this pooint
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NoWayMan
April 19, 2007, 5:17 p.m.hey libstellfibs,
what is bush's plan right now?
cause the rest of us see no discernable plan. just chaos.
even people like Gen. John J. Sheehan, a former top NATO commander, can't figure out bush's current plan. he says bush and his buddies have no idea what the hell they're doing.
so why aren't you mad about that?
thats quite a cut and run attitude you have there.
this is bush's failure. own it cons. he's your boy.
its as if you let someone drive your car into a ditch and instead of being angry with the driver, you're mad at the guy who came along to help but can't figure out how to get your car out of the ditch. not too smart.
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b4thewind
April 19, 2007, 5:31 p.m.Libs - You're right about "no plan." But you're buying into the "it's the terrorists, stupid" argument. Do you really have no idea about the historical context of colonialism (British, French, Russian) and their domination of the League of Nations that created the artificial boundaries? Do you really buy into GWB's "they hate us for our freedom" tagline? becasue that's EXACTLY what it was - consumer advertising. It has NOTHING to do with the reasons behind the violence. And the violence in Iraq has little to nothing to do with the 911 atrocities against the US. Read some books instead of listening to FOX, then tell us your opinion.
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NelsonR
April 19, 2007, 5:37 p.m.Libs - You know I am getting tired of saying something that is ignored by you and your ilk. Why is America the protector, worldpower, world enforcer, moral authority, ajudicator and just plain beligerent on the world stage.
What the hell is your problem with the notion of just stopping meddling into other nations? Who the hell are you with your decrepit world power opinion.
Get over yourself and migrate to Russia, Putin would adore you.
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