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The cultists who support this National ID card say that it's all voluntary. And it is. You can refuse to comply, in which case you won't be able to open a bank account, enter a federal building, ride a plane or train, etc. Yes, quite voluntary. A nice card, containing all sorts of sensitive information, which can be scanned everywhere you go.

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  • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)white-pawn
    white-pawn
    April 20, 2007, 8:50 a.m.

    This is how the New World Order wants to keep track of all of it's possessions. That includes us. We will be reduced to nothing more than chattle when this ID card scam is implemented.

    • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)SarrahA
      SarrahA
      April 20, 2007, 9:03 a.m.

      I'm surprised that I haven't heard anything about this National ID card. It's ridiculous how fast we are losing all of our freedoms in this country under this Bush administration. They place every violation of our rights under the "It'll protect us from terrorism" umbrella. I can't wait to see what they come up with next.

      • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)sixshot
        sixshot
        April 20, 2007, 9:21 a.m.

        john howard is trying to also shove a nat id card up our asses in oz.

        • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)Nowalive
          Nowalive
          April 20, 2007, 9:25 a.m.

          Pop,

          Excellent piece. While I don't agree with every aspect of the national ID, I do feel that there are some merits in having uniformity in identification documents. I am from Maine. I got my license at the age of 14, in 1978. This was just a paper license which when folded on the crease was a little larger than a business card. It was not laminated and had no photo. While traveling out of state with my family I was stopped because a Georgia State trooper thought I was driving illegally. He did not believe that my license was real or valid. He was very aggitated and pulled his license out and began screaming at me "This is a drivers license!" It was a paper license with a cut out polaroid and laminated. It was eventually straightened out (5 hours) and we were free to go. So uniformity is important, but some technologies do not have to be implemented.

          • Avg rating: (+1/-6 -5)texangelwings
            texangelwings
            April 20, 2007, 9:31 a.m.

            Thanks, a really good article. Our congressional leaders are suppose to be reading every bill, prior to passing or rejecting the bills. We need to get more honesty & integrity back in our government! Hopefully all states will stop it too.

            There has been too little information out there for everyone to read, this reminds of, how quiet the "Superhighway here in Texas from Mexico" was kept for atleast 2 years.

            Guess it is time to write another letter to my congresslady and congressman.

            • Avg rating: (+0/-13 -13)2sidestoeverything
              2sidestoeverything
              April 20, 2007, 9:39 a.m.

              Populist, this is a great article. I have to admit myself that I was uninformed about this thank you so much for submitting this. I will try to stay abreast on this situation. I hope we can stop this before it gets to much further.

              • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)elel
                elel
                April 20, 2007, 10:01 a.m.

                Oh WOW! Yes Populist, I was right, I'm not liking this, great article all the same. :0

                This brings many memories of many a SciFi book/movie. My memory has always been poor when it comes to remembering titles and authors, but geez, it's been a common theme in many stories about ID's like this and not only the possible threat of theft, but the corruptions that could happen. My goodness, if people don't think life can imitate fiction, just look at what we named our first nuclear submarine! Pets ears can be tattooed for ID purposes, not a long jump to tattooing our babies ears? Yes, my email is gonna be a buzzin', hmm, haven't poked my head into the First Selectman's office in a while, may just start lower! Love Aesop's Fables, and was required reading in this household :)

                • Avg rating: (+5/-0 5)Bkumm
                  Bkumm
                  April 20, 2007, 10:25 a.m.

                  Well, let's think about this rationally for a little bit. While, in general, I oppose any effort by the govt. to invade my privacy I recognize that this idea does have merits. However, it must be coupled by extreme vigilence on the part of citizens AND it must be coupled to laws that limit its use.

                  I keep coming back to the gun registration argument. There is a feeling that if all guns are registered it is the first step to taking the guns away. I don't believe that. Look at cars. They're registered, so why not guns? Why not people?

                  • Avg rating: (+21/-1 20)jordan11
                    jordan11
                    April 20, 2007, 10:30 a.m.

                    Every driver's license will be required to include "physical security features">>>>

                    What is that? And if you're on a trip, and lose it, how do you get home? id theft was my first concern, and then I remembered how out of control these freaks are NOW with their 'snooping.'

                    • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)Amazing1
                      Amazing1
                      April 20, 2007, 10:49 a.m.

                      The thing that puzzles me about all of these control issues is WHY! Like trying to organize a plate of spaghetti. People come in such a wide variety and engage in such disparate activities, it seems incomprehensible that anyone would want to keep track of everyone. It gives me a headache to think about it.

                      And if you don't sign on to the program you will be prevented from flying today. What about grocery shopping tomorrow? When do we start submitting to an RFID implant? The citizens should be screaming about this. But we have become such sheeple, we remain mainly compliant. What does it hurt? Surely it won't go any further.

                      Yeah, right. I'm glad I'm already old. I don't want to see what's coming next.

                      • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)walden3
                        walden3
                        April 20, 2007, 10:50 a.m.

                        Scary, scary stuff. It's true. Our freedoms aren't stolen with one great swift movement of a thief's hand they're lost through the incessant drip, drip, drip of government's intrusions against the bedrock of our country. And most americans are quite pleased to engage in the faustian bargain of trading bedrock civil liberties and constitutional rights for so-called security.

                        "Over a third of the 100,000 students questioned felt the First Amendment went "too far" in guaranteeing freedom of speech, press, worship and assembly. Only half felt newspapers should be allowed to publish stories that did not have the government's approval."

                        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4225013.stm

                        also i invite everyone to google FEMA camps. we are headed towards martial law. one more disaster or one more terror attack could push us over the edge.

                        • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)1basque1
                          1basque1
                          April 20, 2007, 10:54 a.m.

                          populist,

                          Thanks for the heads up on this. Very interesting article. This Administration is out of control..Is there anything that they won't due to SCREW us out of our Rights to Privacy.. Trust the Government ??? Hell No !!!!

                          With all the mistakes that they have made in the last 6 yrs... Oh I forget this is to PROTECT us from the friggin TERRORIST..

                          Protect US from an out of control government !

                          • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)doppich
                            doppich
                            April 20, 2007, 11:07 a.m.

                            I finally got my SSN off of my Driver's License, but soon the ID thieves won't even have to look at it to get that and much more.

                            Next, of course, will be a way for illegal aliens to get a "Real ID" so they can keep doing those jobs for which employers don't want to pay a living wage to Americans.

                            • Avg rating: (+4/-3 1)bonaroo
                              bonaroo
                              April 20, 2007, 11:15 a.m.

                              It is just too hard to be optimistic about the nature of this program. If the purpose of a national i.d. is to enhance "homeland security" then the events over the last few days have shown that despite all we do to make our selves feel safe, it is only an illusion, and very easily exploited. Like many of you, I trust my own ability to protect myself more than another Big Government beaurocracy whose interests in who I am and where I am, may run counter to my own. There are too many vulnerablities to the rfid technology for me to put much faith in them.

                              • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)allasam
                                allasam
                                April 20, 2007, 11:42 a.m.

                                Oh come on, you doubters, you don't believe President Cheney would do this to us? The fine folks over there at the Right House are only protecting us from the bad guys and if you've got nothing to hide, then what's your problem? If you're against having the government track your every move, you MUST be doing something bad.

                                You're not against freedom are you?

                                Go ahead a sign the paper, we're looking after you. heh heh heh.

                                • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)Macas
                                  Macas
                                  April 20, 2007, 12:31 p.m.

                                  Great article,populist :)

                                  • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)SGAstumpJ
                                    SGAstumpJ
                                    April 20, 2007, 12:58 p.m.

                                    "Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon....And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forhead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark..." (Rev. 13: 11, 16-17) Think about it.

                                    • Avg rating: (+26/-0 26)Hobe
                                      Hobe
                                      April 20, 2007, 1:02 p.m.

                                      'National ID Card Threatens Security

                                      Politics - The cultists who support this National ID card say that it's all voluntary.'

                                      That's Phase One, Phase Two, It's Mandatory!

                                      Note, the Illegal's will have them before the Government can Print Them...

                                      This Kool-Aid has a bit of an Aroma to It!

                                      Sincerely,

                                      • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)quillyregnold
                                        quillyregnold
                                        April 20, 2007, 1:29 p.m.

                                        Our Freedom has been slowing going for years. Do you remember when, (before good o'l Ronnie Reagan) police had to have a search warrant to search your car?? I do. I also remeber when they changed the law. I was watching Cops, (the new law stated that if Police had probable cause they couid search your car) a trooper in oregon pulled over several cars, and searched each one. He would walk up to each car and state he could smell Marijuana! Hell some of them looked like my grand parents. We have really never lived in a Free Country. No matter who runs the government, be assured we are going to get probed.....bend over everybody.

                                        • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)SlapALib
                                          SlapALib
                                          April 20, 2007, 1:31 p.m.

                                          The RFID aspect is creepy. However, on the bright side, when the police ask you where you were last Friday, you can say at home watching TV. When they ask if you have any witnesses just say "My Identity Card".

                                          • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)Searchbeam
                                            Searchbeam
                                            April 20, 2007, 1:32 p.m.

                                            A long time ago, in the distant past, a mean-spirited Navy Admiral named Poindexter tried to to some really sinister things. The investigation of the Iran Contra scheme brought his dirty tricks to light and then he lay low for 15 years or so, and then his ugly head surfaced again in proposing to gather personal and sensitive data from private citizens on a massive data mining operation for the NSC. When the news came out, he was pushed back into the oblivion - or so we thought!

                                            It seems like either he or his lackeys are at it again. This time, let us make sure that he and his likes are forever condemned from the the government and its many tentacles.

                                            And I Mean FOREVER! This man and his cohorts are the nastiest virus on our democracy.

                                            • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)STILLWATER00
                                              STILLWATER00
                                              April 20, 2007, 1:35 p.m.

                                              they are using this new ID just for the

                                              trial version. then in 2010 they have the injectable tracking/info chip that looks like a grain of rice planted in the upper fore-arm/

                                              • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)lvrofwolves
                                                lvrofwolves
                                                April 20, 2007, 1:35 p.m.

                                                I wonder when we lost our control of the fact that the Government works for the people! WE our the governments employers! They are OUR employees...now it seems that is getting turned around, and it's going faster and faster so that we are noticing finally. Every citizen should have the right to question things, to agree if things are right or wrong, how is it they are trying to control that??? why are we letting them do this, because supposedly they are doing their jobs right? NO, they certainly haven't done a good job, needs to be a lot of firing going on. If I have to do all these things for myself, why are we paying them to do them for us?

                                                • Avg rating: (+0/-0 0)Tigra
                                                  Tigra
                                                  April 20, 2007, 1:59 p.m.

                                                  Unfortunately, these events were predicted hundreds of years ago. Criminals force the government to want to be more of a watchdog, which in turn decreases our freedoms and liberties, which are a right. BUT, NWO rhetoric is b/s, and it will never be 100% safe as long as humans have the free will to be bad.

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