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Gov. Eliot Spitzer will introduce a bill in the coming weeks to legalize same-sex marriage in New York, his spokeswoman said Friday, a move that would propel New York to the forefront of one of the most contentious issues in politics.

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garret-nordstrom
April 23, 2007, 2:28 a.m.
Fantastic!!! It makes me believe that there is still some Sanity in this country!!! AND it renews my hope that maybe the rest of the country may one day follow suit!!!
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evelyna
April 23, 2007, 10:06 a.m.
Bush and co. feel stopping gay marriage and abortion should be a gov. proiority. Maybe now they will not care as much because they know they will loose the election.
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torrent29
April 23, 2007, 10:16 a.m.
While a number of states voted for amendments, it seems that some of this fervor is starting to die and the idea of gay partnerships is becoming more accepted.
Since a few states enacted laws to recognize such unions, and the world didnt end it seems that some of the religious fervor is also dying down.
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queenb727
April 23, 2007, 10:23 a.m.
This counttry was not built on biblical law. We know this since the framers made sure we had separation of church and state. The country was built on the models of democratic ancient Greece and the Roman republic. Which is why we have what is known as a republican democracy.
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eviln3d
April 23, 2007, 10:34 a.m.
Well if you want to get biblical the bible is full of other little tidbits... I always liked "Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase." Leviticus, 25:37
Yet oddly enough the government doesn't seem to have a problem charging interest or allowing the federal reserved to set interest rates. I also recall items such as adultery being a no no yet wonder how Thomas Jeffereson's DNA managed to get into so may African Americans if he was only sleeping with his wife... Lots of splatter?
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Lalanav
April 23, 2007, 12:11 p.m.
Fascinating that marriage is a 'special' right?
There is nothing in the Constitution that allows marriage, if you want to go that route.
Further, this country was not built on biblical law - it was built on the concept of freedom of religion. Meaning no establishment of religion. Meaning that the government cannot take the laws of ONE religion and apply them to a country full of people, because that would be the same as establishing that religion. If you want gay marriage to be decided by your bible, then the law making it illegal should be applicable only to those that follow youur bible.
Leave your morals out of everyone else's life.
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lvrofwolves
April 23, 2007, 12:12 p.m.
sniper91 exactly what 'special' right are you talking about? this is a matter of EQUAL not special.
A person may feel god sets the laws, and it's each individuals decision if they want to follow, I think that was a special gift god gave man, wasn't it??? choice? Besides Gods laws and man made laws are not always the same by any stretch of the imagination.
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torrent29
April 23, 2007, 12:17 p.m.
Sure it was. I mean Thomas Jefferson had this to say on the subject:
""Religion is a subject on which I have ever been most scrupulously reserved, I have considered it as a matter between every man and his Maker, in which no other, and far less the public, had a right to intermeddle." - Thomas Jefferson"
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torrent29
April 23, 2007, 12:18 p.m.
Or maybe this one, I mean I think John Adams is pretty frigging clear on the subject here.
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." - Opening statement of Article XI of The Treaty of Tripoli, approved by President John Adams and ratified unanimously by the Senate."
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DeadHead13
April 23, 2007, 1:31 p.m.
The founders of this nation were, as a whole, anti-organized religion. What are you talking about?
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marlenebomer
April 23, 2007, 4:37 p.m.
Sorry to burst your theocratic bubble, sweetums, but we have three examples of they the US was *NOT* built on religion!!
1) First Amendment's Establishment Clause
2) Article VI of the United States Constitution
3) Treaty of Tripoli
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mcgrievysr
April 23, 2007, 4:50 p.m.
sniper91----Bullpucky
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somecommonsense
April 23, 2007, 11:25 p.m.
God creates the laws? Well that's news to me!
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Bemuzed
April 24, 2007, 6:39 a.m.
Please don't vote down comments such as this one. Sniper91 is just saying what he has been taught. What we need to make people realize is that sometimes the things that we have been taught are wrong - I can provide a wealth of fact to support my statement. I think the Bible is a wonder guide to live our lives, but it wasn't written by the hand of god. It has been translated from different languages and man has had his grubby little hands in it ever since. With knowledge is power. Empower those you disagree with knowledge - truth (la verdad). It may not convince then immediately but the truth shall set you free - sound familiar.
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jordan11
April 24, 2007, 9:21 a.m.
God sets the laws>>>>
Nope. The laws were set at the Constitutional Convention, and ratified by the states. All men. No 'gods.'
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eviln3d
April 23, 2007, 10:22 a.m.
I'm just curious... Who really cares. Most straight marriages end in divorce so it isn't like getting a marriage certificate is magical. It isn't going to make any relationship last longer and most of the other reasons gay couple use about insurance coverage and benefits could be worked around without bothering with the marriage route.
Seems like a lot of stupidity on the side of the gay lobby. You still have real issues of descrimination and instead of tackling those issues the gay lobby goes after marriage which if anything simply causes the descrimination problem to escalate from the backlash effect.
It would seem to me that gay marriage should be the goal that is attempted when the real issues have been overcome and everyone is happy together, then you can push for something that can be very polarizing.
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Astrocane
April 23, 2007, 11:15 a.m.
I think it's a great thing that someone is doing something for the gay community. I was just married a year ago and i think everyone is entitled to that same happiness. Whether or not the person is straight or gay.
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Russencrantz
April 23, 2007, noon
Discrimination, hatred, and beleiving you are the only one in the right is best for the group as a whole?
Funny, because I grew up beleving that selflessness, humility, understanding and "do unto others..." were the best ways to function in a society.
But you're right, I'm just an immoral fag who doesn't deserve any "special" rights.
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Lalanav
April 23, 2007, 12:15 p.m.
Majoritarian rule....riiiight. That is not what this country was founded on.
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lvrofwolves
April 23, 2007, 12:27 p.m.
sniper91--well don't you feel lucky you were born into the 'majority'? don't feel all smug and proud, because that was NOT your own choice. Everyone is a human being, that means equal, and should also mean equal rights.
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DeadHead13
April 23, 2007, 2:03 p.m.
No; not always. The United States is founded on the principal of majority rule, but minority rights. Meaning the majority can democratically decide what policies it will put into place, so long as they don't infringe upon any persons' rights. It was by this principal that slavery was abolished; all people were deemed to have rights, even though slavery was benefiting the nation at large.
Second, even if such a claim were true, how exactly does same-sex marriage affect at all, let alone damage, 'larger numbers of people'?
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marlenebomer
April 23, 2007, 4:11 p.m.
Sorry, sweetie.... the Constitution wasn't written to guarantee the rights of straight white men, it was written toi guarantee the rights of MINORITES!
In other words, it was written to protect the minority from the tyrrany of the majority!!
You remind me of a spoiled little boy who's whining because you're being told to share.
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cleare
April 23, 2007, 5:36 p.m.
10 to 11% may be a minority, but doesn't equate to "...such a small number of people..."