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Posted by: populist 2 years, 7 months agoYou don't bring freedom to people by waging war on their cities and towns, and you don't protect innocent people by killing innocent people. It is a crime to aggressively take the life of another person. There is no murder of innocent people that can be justified by claiming that it was necessary for the "greater good."
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CatholicRedneck
May 18, 2007, 4:55 a.m.AMEN! Amen, amen and aaaya-MEN! Would to God that those recommendations be put into practice. SHUT DOWN THE AMERICAN EMPIRE!
The author notes that since WW2 the President has sent troops into war without a declaration of war from Congress - which leads me to a second bonus reason to shut down this evil empire: we haven't won a major war since WW2! Clearly, having an imperial President does nothing to ensure victory, even in the wars the bastard chooses to wage.
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Georgia50
May 18, 2007, 7:21 a.m.10. Iraq violated no-fly zone, fired on US aircraft. Iraq harbored the killer of Leon Klinghoffer, an American citizen, murdered on the open seas. Causes of war.
9. Under the US Constitution, a political party does not execute foreign policy.
8. Not relevant.
7. Has there ever been a free country absent aggressive war?
6. Why any fool would attempt to convince you of this is beyond me.
5. Right. We should instead fund war with manna from heaven.
4. Your opinion.
3. Mere trivia.
2. Tell that to Germans and Japanese.
And the No. 1 reason to get the U.S. out of Iraq...now...
1. Bring this point up if the US EVER mobilizes for war.
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rightfromwrong
May 18, 2007, 8:38 a.m.I think most Americans now realize what a scam this country's foreign policy is. When 40% of our economy is defense related it is just a way for the rich to get richer at the expense of the little people.They can manipulate them by saying be a patriot and join the armed forces, only to die so that they can fulfill there agenda.
If America was truly interested in democracy then they would tell the Saudis that they want free elections in that country.It doesn't suit their agenda to do so.
This is why a man like Chavez is such a thorn in American policy and he rallies other countries to do the same.You can be sure that the CIA has made efforts to eliminate him any way they can.
America needs a party who can represent the people and not the lobbyists or rich. 50% of all funding to both parties has a Jewish connection. Who really controls America?
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canadianrancher57
May 18, 2007, 8:51 a.m.I hope this is'nt a little off topic but I read stories all the time about how Americans are upset about outsourcing jobs to other countries and also about illegal workers coming into your country and taking jobs, this hurts the American economy. In saying this my worry for your country is the borrowing that your government is doing from outside sources worldwide to fund this neverending military exercise, it is putting money into companies that don't care about your future. The tax money that comes in now will never pay for these military expenditures, your children will suffer financially for ever. China and Japan and other countries will eventually own your whole country.
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Bluecollardem
May 18, 2007, 9:13 a.m.Look at these figures:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/sp...
I understand the need for a strong military, but to spend nearly as much as the rest of the world COMBINED seems a bit excessive. This is a quote from someone else, "what are we so afraid of?"
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AntiNeoCon
May 18, 2007, 9:14 a.m.Good article, I might add another reason to get out now is "because we can't win" under this administration who either doesn't know how to fight a war or is making their rich buddies richer at our soldiers expense.
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NelsonR
May 18, 2007, 9:31 a.m.Good post but it begs the question. Its is so true and obvious yet our representatives fail to understand, Why?
The only answers I have is that most Americans are apathetic, secondly our Representatives are representing themselves for power and wealth while America erodes.
I have a problem with humanity sometimes.
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elel
May 18, 2007, 9:56 a.m.Very well thought out article. Reason number 5 made me think of Pancho Villa, hero to some, villain in most cases.
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Amazing1
May 18, 2007, 10 a.m.Thank you for posting this.
Someone has raised the question about why nothing is being done to change this stupid foreign policy. Our so-called representatives are in it for themselves and themselves only. They give lip service to the "public good" and consider that they "serve" their constituencies. HAH! They serve their campaign coffers, the corporate donors who enrich their campaign coffers, and if there is a heart rending photo op in the mix, they will deign to address the concerns of the citizens.
In the meantime these "representatives" spend money they do not have and sentence our grandchildren to a life within a country that is a debtor nation. If we stopped this this war crapola, we could balance the budget.
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BravoSierra
May 18, 2007, 10:01 a.m.To use an analogy, Saddam was, under the terms of his surrender, on probation. Like any criminal on probation the US had the right to conduct searches and seizures. If a criminal on probation is found to have contraband, he can be sent back to jail.
The US/UN had the right to search. However, finding no contraband, they did not have the right to start a war beyond forcing the search. They did not have the right to use preemptive war (See the Vatican's piece on the ethics of a "just war") and they did not have the right to force a change in regime in the absence of finding contraband.
From the moment Dr. Kay's group was unable to find any evidence of any WMD's this has been an illegal war. From the moment Bush proclaimed it a "pre-emptive" war it has been immoral.
The only right we had was to search. If we had found anything it would have opened the door to additional rights...but we found nothing.
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quackpot
May 18, 2007, 10:14 a.m.A fantastic summary of a disaster, populist.
If there is anything at all good that can come of the Iraq mess, it will be a reappraisal of the obese U.S. war machine and the destructive paranoia that fuels it.
With so many war toys available, diplomacy does not have a chance.
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BravoSierra
May 18, 2007, 10:26 a.m.(it's so ironic that the 'religious right' that want religion back in government so they can have their control over people and their crusades doesn't know the history of their own religion enough to realize that it was the Church that created the separation of Church and State, beginning with a simple statement made by Christ and the legal principles laid out by Friar Suarez. They are too ignorant of their own history and doctrine to realize they should be out of government and should be against this war.)
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BravoSierra
May 18, 2007, 10:49 a.m.Of course you can always go read the stuff I point to...then you won't have to take me seriously...you'll know.
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bongy337
May 18, 2007, 11:05 a.m.The greatest lie ever sold was that Osama pulled off 911 on the most sophisticated militarily powerful country in the world. And if you still beleive
they did it, how come Sadaam became top priority since 911? Does that make ANY sense? Truth is Osama has been dead since October of 2001. What we
witnessed was a strategically executed Black OPS and PSYOPS by our own
people. With the media in corporate hands that support this cabal of murderers
and thieves, its sure wasn't hard to convince the masses that a cave dweller pulled this off. Bin Laden's family and the Bush's were business partners. They
visited Texas quite often to meet with King George and friends. Wake up people!
If you think our country is so innocent in all this debacle, read "The Praetorian Guard" by John Stockwell, a former station chief for the CIA who has witness all the atrocities committed by our government.
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Truzseeker
May 18, 2007, 11:09 a.m.Any reason is self-evident, and when and if there is a troop pull out, it will take much longer to rebuild our own image from that of the ugly American.
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cushi
May 18, 2007, 11:31 a.m.The 28-29%ers who STILL support this invasion, KNOWING FULL WELL that it is ILLEGAL and IMMORAL, should be drafted and sent over to replace every single soldier who is there involuntarily but by reason of their military obligation, did not refuse outright to go. The 28-29%ers are in need of shock therapy, so: Let THEM stay there until everything is worked out to THEIR liking; let those of THEM who are maimed or killed in the interim be considered "collateral damage"; let THEM make the sacrifices necessary to stabilize the new "democratic government" in Iraq. I bet THEY'd see the light pdq, and be out of there in a flash, leaving Iraq to stand or fall on its own.
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bubba2
May 18, 2007, 11:38 a.m."No one can convince me that kindness and charity are the primary motives in a war where hundreds of billions of dollars are forcibly redistributed from American citizens to the military-industrial complex; especially the weapons-manufacturers. Maybe something else motivates the war-makers. Could it be greed?"
Absolutely it is greed.
Also, how much "kindness and charity" are we bestowing on Iraq when their infrastructure is on the verge of collapse, when children under 5 are dying at a significantly increased rate, when clean water is not available which contributes to disease and death, when children are doing drugs and prostitution, and when their rivers are polluted and filling up with dead bodies.
On top of that, the white house is refusing to agree to a whopping 3.5% pay raise for the military for the 2008 defense budget - they say it is too much and "unnescessary".
How is that "supporting the troops"??
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not2needy
May 18, 2007, 11:41 a.m.What an excellent article, and so much of it just restates what the majority of us on NS have said all along. The war is motivated by greed on the part of our politicians, and it isn't fair to the Iraqi's or their families, neighbors, etc. We can't force our govt down their throats. Our tax dollars and the ability to simply print more money is the motivator for the greedy.
Thanks for this article populist, anyone who finds fault with this very common sense, well written, simple statement has mental problems.
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contrast
May 18, 2007, 11:59 a.m.I want to make it clear that I DO support a marginal withdrawl of forces during this civil war.However since this article is at best milktoast I will burn it.
((Because neither the Iraqi government nor the Iraqi people ever attacked the United States.))
Neither did Germany in WWII, Iraq in the gulf war, Vietnam etc etc.
((The U.S. military has absolutely no right, whether legal or moral, to be killing people who live in Iraq.))
I coulda sworn but last I heard it was muslim on muslim violence.If you wanna think my cousin and friends are killing people with a wanton attitude in Iraq let them know as they get off the plane rather than write shadow articles they'll never read.
((the war in Iraq is just as immoral and illegal as stealing from one person to give to another.))
Now were getting somewhere! redistribution of wealth is a great concern of mine.If you believe THIS redistribution of wealth is wrong than you MUST agree that welfare and other social programs are wrong.
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endtyranny
May 18, 2007, noonI really couldn't agree with this article more. Numbers five and six are to me some of the most overlooked and important problems with the war. The Iraq War has become a way to subsidize private military companies and the fact that the government has all our money at it's disposal with little or no oversight is only exacerbating the situation.
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contrast
May 18, 2007, 12:06 p.m.(("Not all the treasures of the world, so far as I believe, could have induced me to support an offensive war, for I think it murder."))
no argument here. I remember 911 it WAS murder. Iraq has nothing to do with 911 though.
((but when the communists took over, the world didn't come to an end.))
oh in that case since you put it that way yes please sign me up for a red shirt.
((And then, of course, we have all the "good" done in Iraq.))
I have a buddy in the engineers he has been on many building projects including schools and hospitals please tell him what he's doing is evil.
((The U.S. government has caused chaos in Iraq))
Yes those under ground torture chambers and mass graves werent there before we got there. There was already chaos in Iraq ask any kurd who sucked on VX.
So if congress never granted Bush permission to go to war what is the House doing about it now? Squat. Could it be that neither side gives a flying damn? hmm could be.
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samsara15
May 18, 2007, 12:08 p.m.The article is a ringing statement of what it ought to mean to be an American, to make America the kind of nation it ought to be. Bravo.
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