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Posted by: msaleem 2 years, 5 months agoThe Fundamentalists claim that the United States was founded on "Christian principles." Here's one glaring problem with that.
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hsamwilliams
May 21, 2007, 8:17 a.m.Interestng article. It makes a couple of glaring mistakes. The people felt that what they did was in accord with their beleif in GOD. The words natures GOD comes to mind. These men were Deists and Protestants and the right of divine rule is many Catholic.
Secondly these men had seen the evils of setting up a theocracy which many fundamenatlists of today want. They choose to let each person decide for themselves in accord with personal liberty. So I applaud the seperation of church and state which is the reason none of the first four commandments are put in the laws of this country.
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getreal1
May 21, 2007, 11:30 a.m.The philosopher socrates said that what man thinks God should be is What man will see after death.
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Truzseeker
May 21, 2007, 11:46 a.m.Adoption of the First Amendment (Article) to the Bill of Rights expresses an opposite result that the United States was founded on "Christian principles." Otherwise only those that believe in "Christian principles" have rights, privileges and immunities and the rest of the population is nothing more than heathens ?
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SlapALib
May 21, 2007, 12:05 p.m.The 1st Amendment applied to the Federal Government, not the States.
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mossback
May 21, 2007, 12:12 p.m.As always, these kinds of articles are pure bunk. The Constitution was created to allow for multiple practices of CHRISTIANITY, not of any other religion. We have the diaries, notes, and letters of almost every person who was on the Constitution drafting congress and none of them mention any religion other than Christianity in their notes. They do speak of those who were "naturalists" -- now known as scientists, and others who avoid relgious practices, but the purpose of the Establishment Clause was to prevent the violence and bloodshed that had wracked Europe for the three centuries after the Reformation removed the Pope from his money tree in Europe. Only by violently re-writing history can bozos like this author come up with anything other than the US was founded by, for, and because of Christians. Perhaps if history is too much for him, he should go live in Tripoli Lebanon. They are very secular and tolerant over there I hear.
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normallysilent
May 21, 2007, 12:22 p.m.Mossback: Totaly correct and anyone which does not like the fact is more than wecome to get the h#@ OUT
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ron4back
May 21, 2007, 12:33 p.m.I have often refuted the "facts" that were posed about the USA being founded on Christian beliefs. This article does a very good job of showing that it was founded on good, honest moral ideals. The framers of the Constitution were brilliant Statesmen and were able to forsee the problems that could arise by incorporating religion into the governing process. I believe in what I believe, not what another tells me I should believe. I trust in the wisdom of those men and what they intended. As shown inthe article, the constitution begins "We the People".
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joeblowe
May 21, 2007, 1:17 p.m.I have to chuckle when people start expounding about what the Framers thought or what they intended. Take a breath, realize a couple of things: 1) We don't know FOR SURE what they INTENDED - they are all dead and we can't ask them. Sometimes people write stuff down and it varies a bit from their REAL thoughts. Also, peoples thinking is subject to change from time-to-time. If all of the original Framers were alive today and set themselves to the same task, do you seriously think the constitution would come out exactly the same? Which brings me to 2) THINGS CHANGE. The world has changed. A lot. We are, of course, all governed by the Constitution as that is our defining document. But, as the largish number of Amendments attests, the document was not perfect when written. The stricture of separation of church and state was certainly PRETTY clear in the original document, and rulings from the Supremes reinforcing that concept have shown a rare wisdom on the part of that court.
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ron4back
May 21, 2007, 1:31 p.m.I never said they were of one mind, and that is not the point. Sam Adams was against quite a bit of the wording, and he and Thomas Jefferson were very adversarial. The bottom line is that we are a Government by the people, of the people and for the people. If that were not true, we wouldn't be having this commentary freely.
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spkguy
May 21, 2007, 1:37 p.m.The most prominent of the Founders such as George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and Ethan Allen, and here in North Carolina Ezekiel Polk, Charles Polk, and Charles and Ezra Alexander were Deists rather than Christians. Deists believed in the supremacy of human reason over faith and revelation, and disdained the supernatural. They opposed both government suppression and government establishment of religion.
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SS454
May 21, 2007, 2:57 p.m.About time we tell it like it is.....read on all you Christian rednecks...
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tdash
May 21, 2007, 3:49 p.m.Can someone direct me to some scripture that says something to the effect of "Thou shalt have a representative democratic form of government with three separate but equal branches of power"? Until then, you'll never convince me that the USA was intended to be a "Christian" nation. "Democracy" (in a very imperfect form) was first practiced by the ancient Greeks, who were pagans for cryin' out loud!! If the Bible was ever intended to be a basis for governing, then slavery, tyranny, incest and mass murder would be deemed appropriate ways to govern people.
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vor
May 21, 2007, 4:33 p.m.Hilarious in that your post is actually a GOP talking point in thin disguise. This whole "Blame Bush" accusation is nothing more than that. Bush is only to blame for being a willing shill to the neo-con cause and catering to his corporate base. It is the slimeballs underneath and around him that have done the real damage.
It would be giving far too much credit to the underserving to say that a Bush authored policy is what has gotten us into the current mess.
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ericb2
May 21, 2007, 4:50 p.m.Funny that it is evil to cater to the corporate base, even though they pay for the social programs that Libs cater to. Let's redo America as Socialist Reublic and watch it decline!!
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queenb727
May 21, 2007, 5:12 p.m.The US was not founded as a Christian nation. The laws and government were based of both the ancient Greeks and Romans. The Greeks practiced a true democracy where the people voted for each action taken by the state. Majority ruled. The Romans revised this into a republic so that the rich could remain in power. The people voted for government representatives. And since government officials weren't paid, the poor couldn't afford to run. The US government is a perfection (some may argue with that) of the Roman version.
I keep seeing the argument that constitution is based on the fact that we do not have a recognized religion and not on separation of church and state. But that's the whole point. As long as there is no state religion, no religion has any legal claim. You can't base laws off of any one religion because none are recognized by the state. As long as there is no state religion the US can't be a "Christian nation" in any legal sense.
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eugenegerard
May 21, 2007, 6:01 p.m.If you want to begin to understand the BELIEF system that organized this government, do a little research. Start with the name of the statue on top of the US capital and go from there.
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eugenegerard
May 21, 2007, 6:05 p.m.Actually the congress was set up after the founding fathers became aware of the Seven Indian Nations. They were so impressed by their form of rule that they incorporated into our government. Don't believe all the stuff you have been spoon fed all your life.
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SlapALib
May 21, 2007, 6:17 p.m.Was it really "foresight" that led the Founders to include the 1st Amendment?
Or did they realize that the States would tell them to go to He11 with their Constitution if it didn't include some check on the government's ability to muck with religion?
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HistoricallyCorrect
May 21, 2007, 6:29 p.m.religion was never the foundation of this country... the reason why the pilgrims came here perhaps, but anybody with even a little historical background knows that there were plenty of people here (not just the natives we killed off) before those guys.
the people we commonly refer to as the founding fathers were diests and were appaled by the idea of a state sponsored religion. that would probably be more widely known if people knew what a diest was... basically, they thought that God created the world, then let it be.
people have tried to skew that for a long time, but the reality of it all is this: if our country was built on christianity, why is there no state sponsored religion? if our country was built on christianity, why did the Great Awakening movements happen? considering that the Great Awakening happened just 36 years before independence and the Second only 24 after, we most certainly were not born a christian nation, or they wouldn't have been necessary.
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aceofspades1
May 21, 2007, 7:46 p.m.It would be pretty ironic if all your believers at the time you reach the Pearly Gates - there is a sign hung "OUT TO LUNCH" & since we all know the six days you believe God took to make the world were not really 24 hr days as we know it now, you guys will be there for a long stay waiting for the gates to open.- bring a snack
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aceofspades1
May 21, 2007, 7:53 p.m.since Christianity is based upon the tenets of Judaism & modern day Christians are either those whose ancestral lines stayed pure or are converts & you insist that America is based on the concept of
christianity it therefore follows,if you are correct that of country is a revisionist country subject to the interpretations of those in charge. Seems as if we need a new interpretor
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keeverboogins
May 21, 2007, 8:13 p.m.many of you are arguing about the framers of our constitution. But that happened long after our forefathers settled here.
In a letter to the king and queen of Spain, Columbus expressed his reasons for sailing westward over 500 years ago. "The Holy Trinity moved Your Highnesses to this enterprise of the Indies, and of his infinite he made me the messenger thereof . . . as being the most exalted of Christian princes and so ardently devoted to the faith and to its increase. On this matter I spent six or seven years of deep anxiety, expounding . . . how great service might in this be rendered to the Lord . . . And I told you of the peoples whom I have seen, among whom and from whom many souls may be saved."
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