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Posted by: trnscndr 2 years, 7 months agoThe bill still has a long way to go before it draws enough support to pass both the house and senate in agreement. The sticking points seem to be in the perception of amnesty, enforcement and the 1-day background check provision!
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1)Of all my political tenets the one I know to be true is that emotional politicians who ignore logic are enemies of the state ...
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trnscndr
May 27, 2007, 12:04 p.m.It seems there is an intentional stumbling block for law enforcement when there is only a one allowance for a criminal background check. What's the hurry?
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blothbelt
May 27, 2007, 12:31 p.m.It appears that both extremes have put bill killers in the bill intentionally, so they can pretend to try to reform immigration without actually changing anything.
It stinks. Nobody thinks the $5000 thing is enough on the conservative and moderate sides, and the liberals have insisted that local law enfocement stay out of the game; while the criminal backgraound check MUST be done within one day; give me a f'in break!
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Hobe
May 27, 2007, 12:37 p.m.'Immigration Plan Heavily Scrutinized--Voters Skeptical!'
There is Not Plan??? All this BS is a way for Politicians to be able to say they want to control Illegal Immigration...
Another Major Washington Boondoggle at the Expense of Americans...
Your Vote Counts, stop sending the Garbage back to Washington, is it worth a try???
How Sad....
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zaph22
May 27, 2007, 12:38 p.m.How odd, wasn't it just yesterday the story was how much support this bill had according to a poll... "As opponents from the right and left challenge an immigration bill before Congress, there is broad support among Americans -- Democrats, Republicans and independents alike" Now if we elect people to congress, and there really is "broad support among Americans" shouldn't the members of congress be ready to vote for the bill, if it really is what the people want. Kind of makes me wonder why politicans aren't ready to vote on this bill if it's so clear it's what Americans want. Of course being on the conservative side myself, I know what I'd like to see, close the border, then work on a immigration refrom bill. It also seems to me in talking to people that this bill is opposed by people from every political view, for various reasons no one I know of wants to see this bill passed.
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scriblerus1
May 27, 2007, 1:10 p.m.Stephanopoulos had Commerce Sec Gutierrez and NJ Senator Menendez on to debate this bill. While they disagree on many details, the sad thing is what they agree on. They agree that the U.S. needs low-skill immigrant workers "to do jobs Americans won't do."
Nonsense! We hear little from the media on this issue. We hear little from the politicians about this obvious canard being floated by the corporate media and continually supported by politicians on both sides. Once again, I say NONSENSE!
Whether anyone, American or otherwise will do a job, is purely a matter of supply and demand. If the pay is adequate, Americans will do the jobs currently held by illegal immigrants.
The problem is simple: The corporatists who control both the Republicans and Democrats are using cheap immigrant labor to keep wages low and defeat labor unions. To this nefarious goal, they are promulgating, through the media, the nonsense that Americans won't do unskilled work.
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krisofl
May 27, 2007, 1:18 p.m.I am sorry, but personally, the illegals need to be deported to home countries. They are knowing and willingly violating our laws, to come here illegally. No integrity, no honesty. I have read horror story after horror story- of what some of these illegals endure, to come here. What americans are enduring, with stolen social security numbers used by illegals. Illegals invading NA Indian reservations, selling drugs.
If they can afford these thousand $$$ fees for visa's, "coyotees", then they are not poor.
One major law that we need: is that of, if a child is born in the usa, to an illegal parent, the child should also be illegal. This is what is jeopardizing the "family" issue with illegals.
Another major law: madatory filling of legal documents for immigration. Pay for immigration, become legal.
Please explain, with 12 million illegals, how 200,000 guest workers permits will solve anything.
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mcgrievysr
May 27, 2007, 1:32 p.m.I'm in a geographical area where illegal immigration has not been easily discernible. There are other parts of the U.S. where it's been more of a headache. I've been an opponent of the occupation in Iraq and, as a result, have focused there and haven't learned much about the immigration issue. Now, I need to find out why many on here have been screaming about it. I'm eager to learn what is happening. For my sake, and for the sake of many of the uninitiated, I'm hoping that posters will provide factual information and not hearsay and innuendo. Dare we hope?
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GHOSTWHOWALKS
May 27, 2007, 1:37 p.m.What the h*ll. Politicians call this a fix? Good gravy what a bunch of wishy-washy idiots. We've been sold down the drain again. Time to send everyone of these so called smarter than the average citizen back to walking down the road kicking empty beer cans and scratching their unemployed arses.
Until the current laws already on the books are enforced; the border sealed; and those illegals already here sent back to wherever they came from; employers forced to pay a fine that is big enough to guarantee they such employment doesn't happen nothing in this bill changes anything except keeping the status quo.
Just how stupid do these people think we are?
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maynuh
May 27, 2007, 1:46 p.m.No matter what you people say, the word is ILLEGAL..why does the government want to rewardd these people for doing something illegal?? I makes absolutely no sense to me. So what if they are poor..there are thousands of poor people right here in this country and they are LEGAL. I say round them up and ship them back. If they want to come here let them do it the legal way. Better still, STAY HOME!! We need to take care of our own.
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nostalgia
May 27, 2007, 4:33 p.m.What I find absolutely astonishing is the fact that there has been NO estimate of the cost of this bill from the Congressional Budget Office!
The only organization that has looked at the cost is the Heritage Foundation.
How can the Senate be planning a vote on this charade after Memorial Day and have no clue what it is going to cost??
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truthiness
May 27, 2007, 4:33 p.m.http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2007/05/26/no...
sorry trnscndr,
but this story should not be off the front page. it is an immigration bill passed by the senate (s.2611) in 2006. it creates a list of people legal to work. including citizens. if youre not on the list you cant work.
earning your survival with your labor is a natural right.
by the govt asaying it is a priviledge to be granted by them, they are turning us into serfs.
they have betrayed the most basic idea behind capitalist democracy.
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userbrothershort
May 27, 2007, 5:41 p.m.Our constitution is GONE...... That is how I feel...
Forget it folks.....Until AMERICA (we the people) speaks... our rights are being violated by immigrates. Are lawmakers and those in power to make decisions really representing the peoples voice? How hard is it to say, "Are you an American Citizen?" if not, you "don't" have any rights to recieve benifits like food stamps, free medical, free drugs, free schools and the list grows. I am quite positive that more that just the majority of the people
just don't feel like it is fair to give immigrates anything.
WHAT ABOUT THE DISASTERS IN OUR OUN COUNTRY FOR GODS SAKE?
Let's "HELP" our own. Lawmakers and decision makers are NOT representing the collective voice of America. Therefore I believe we should not help them out come voting season.
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babyowl
May 27, 2007, 5:49 p.m.scriblerus, trust me, krisfl isn't missing the point. Poor or not, the illegals need to pay for visas just like any other immigrant. There are plenty of poor people from other countries that save and pay.....no exceptions should be made that things have gotten so far out of hand.
So, how about the "Corportations" pay ALL the illegal immigrant fees so they can work for the corporation.....
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payingattention
May 27, 2007, 7:24 p.m.The American voters as a whole overwhelmingly want secure borders and no amnisty...why do you think the politicians refuse, just look who buys their campaign. They don't serve us they serve big companys..until we start throwing them out nothing will change!
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HateKoolAid
May 27, 2007, 7:29 p.m.I keep hearing people using the word amnesty but I don't see it. Amnesty means forgiveness for being here illegally and no repercussions for continuing to be. If they want to be legal they have to come forward and apply for a "z" card(visa)then they have to pay a fine,pass a criminal background check and return home for a year between visa applications. If they want to be permanent (citizenship) they have to apply like everyone else and get in line behind the ones who applied before them. How is that amnesty?? I'm way more concerned about the EEVS provision in the bill. It's going to be a bureaucratic nightmare for every U.S citizen. Anybody who wants to hold a job in this country is going to have to get a waiver from Homeland Security to keep working. If someone so much as misspells your name your out of a job until you can get it sorted it out.
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NelsonR
May 27, 2007, 7:36 p.m.Do you know the definition of "Slavery". Republicans do and use it to hire, illegals while refusing to pay an American a living wage. Greed is so pervasive within our society its truely abhorent.
As an American I would pay more for an item made or produced in America. The corporate elite refuse to acknowledge this one simple fact of "Fairness". Many Americans would work performing menial jobs if the jobs paid fairly but what is prevelent is, "illegals" performing these jobs cheaply and at slavery levels. Do you really wonder why "illegals" are here in America. Slavery is the norm among politicians thinking to appease the lobbyist and corporate elite, "illegals" will always be the norm in America.
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Macondo
May 27, 2007, 9:07 p.m.As the illegal crossing of the borders happens everywhere in the word, building walls all over is a good solution.
Walls must be creative and beautiful.
It is hard to compete with the Great Wall of China (Built for equal purposes.)
The Canary Islands in Spain could be surrounded by a wall resembling the Escorial. (No illegals will enter from Africa)
Russia and ex Soviet countries could be separated by radioactive loaded bricks, and Italy could be separated from Albania by a wall bordering the Adriatic.
All countries could do the same.
The competition will bring incredible pieces of architecture.
Then the Berlin Wall and The Chinese Wall will be just history.
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samuelpapa
May 27, 2007, 11:51 p.m.Nature abhors a vacuum; for that reason we need to open up with more visas to Mexico. We must also protect our right to self rule. The employer of illegal residents must be penalized way beyond possible profits. We must remove the vacuum.
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Tango57
May 27, 2007, 11:56 p.m.If Congress votes to allow amnesty to all illegals, do you see a war breaking out in the US?
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slate
May 27, 2007, 11:57 p.m.I want everyone one to know what just happened to me. Every time I tried to pull up NS it went right to Digg and wouldn't let me back to NS until I joined their site I'm more than a little miffed! At least one other person on the site has had the same problem. I hope the admin does something about this!!!!!!
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