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Posted by: bobo-in-texas 2 years, 7 months ago"Actually there are three systems," Dr. Cordova said, one is for party officials and foreigners. "It is good, with resources, the best doctors, best medicines, and nobody pays a cent,". But for ordinary Cubans, hospitals are ill equipped and patients "have to bring their own food, soap, sheets, everything."
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MacR
May 29, 2007, 11:49 p.m.Yes this is true along with other things that is not medically related. Have you seen when it is on the news. You know an anchor goes there. They are at the best hotel or resturaunt.
Yet they never show the outer areas. There are places in Cuba that the Official's will be able to go to. But the normal citizen can not go in, much less afford to go in. And if you were able to look around where a village is. Once prosperious with making the only thing that has kept them going, The Cuban Cigar. Yet now they can't with every nation going "Smoke Free" with us not letting them in.
If I lived there, I would have taken a raft too, just as my Step Grand-Father did all them years ago. Oh and I would have enlisted into the military to get my citizenship just like he did. He showed me what the meaning of working hard and earning your keep was all about.
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ETproductions
May 30, 2007, 1:55 a.m.Good perspective. Thanks for the post, Bobo. Having not seen Moore's movie, I'm in no position to comment on what it does or doesn't claim. However, the oft touted lie that America has the best health care on earth is simply that, a lie. It's a fabrication of the HMOs and Health Care Industry who profit from the fact that we spend more on health care than any other nation on earth, but according to WHO statistics on life expectancy, infant mortality, deaths in childbirth and a number of other metrics, we come up dead last in the developed world. We're just ahead of countries like Slovenia.
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pawfoots
May 30, 2007, 9:53 a.m.Nice article BoBo. Naturally Michael "waste of oxygen" Moore would tout any country as being better than our own (and all he had to do it was lie, no problem for him). I wish he would move to Cuba for good.
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PatrioticAmerican
May 30, 2007, 11:19 a.m.WHAT ????? Micheal Moores movies are fakes and and lack facts, NOOOOOOOOO, tell me it isnt true, What will the left do now , everyone of their so called fact finders and supporters are jumping ship or being proven to be worthless wastes of space. well we all know the left they will come up with someone else who will lie for them and who will write stuff that supports the lefts anti- american crap, give them a couple of days tho cause there are alot of rocks and garbage cans to go thru
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Albmore
May 30, 2007, 11:32 a.m.Mike has been in Germany bad mouthing the US also. He is no patriot. He travels the world stirring up hatred for the US and putting bucks in his pocket while doing it. The next time he leaves his passport should be revoked so he cant return. Let him film a movie against one of the countries he goes on tour in and see how well he is excepted then.
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elel
May 30, 2007, 11:45 a.m.Now this I find interesting; "Statistics from the World Health Organization, the C.I.A. and other sources all show that the people of Cuba and the United States have about the same life expectancy...while infant mortality in Cuba is significantly lower than in the United States."..."Despite such skepticism, ...reason may lie in a combination of what Cuba does well and the United States does poorly, if at all."
So, while Cuba may have it's own inadequacies in health care, it certainly is not all that bad. Oh sure, the Powerful and Moneyed, like anywhere get the best of the best, is that not to be expected in this materialistic world?
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FordTruck5Speed
May 30, 2007, 12:58 p.m.I have often thought about paying Mikey to do a movie about the Pittsburgh Pirates. That might be the only way I'll ever see them win a World Series. Hell, that would be more realistic than any of his other "documentaries."
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DoerNotASayer
May 30, 2007, 1:34 p.m.Once again, a bunch of lies from people who haven't even seen the movie. The same happened with Fahrenheit 9-11; I constantly heard neocons claim it was all lies, yet everytime I had the opportunity I asked people who made that claim to name one specific lie. No one out of dozens were able to do so...not one had actually seen the movie. They were just repeating the drug-induced lies of Rushbo and his ilk.
Now here we go again. Who is surprised that Cuba has an inequitible healthcare system...so do we. From the reviews I have read, the Cuba segment is a very short, minor bit to prove a point, not the focus of the movie. Yet, I am sure the right wing echo chamber will resonate for ever about how Moore is a commie who loves Cuba.
All you Frank Burns' clones should stop repeating lies about things that you know nothing about.
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Charlson
May 30, 2007, 1:40 p.m.Regardless of how well or how bad Cuban healthcare is, ours is in trouble. If this film helps in a national dialogue to create universal healthcare in the USA, then the film will be worth seeing .
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NoWayMan
May 30, 2007, 2:10 p.m.could Moore's portrayal of our healthcare system be any more inaccurate than the picture being sold to us by Big Pharma and Big Insurance?
I doubt it.
The powers that be spend millions upon millions to convince us that we have a thriving, vibrant, healthcare system when anyone with half an ounce of reason knows that our healthcare system is anything but healthy.
I've had surgery in mexico city and been to the hospital in greece. both times I was amazed at how those two "poor" nations could have healthcare that was faster and cheaper than ours yet just as reliable.
regardless of michael moore's accuracy (or inaccuracy, as is the charge), our healthcare system is broken.
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SCJDM
May 30, 2007, 2:26 p.m.OK so American Health care is fine? I don't think so. thanks anyway.
SCJDM
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FordTruck5Speed
May 30, 2007, 2:30 p.m.Universal healthcare in the USA? You have to be KIDDING!!!! One sure-fire way to make sure costs go out of control and service is inefficient is to put it in the hands of government. HAVE YOU CHECKED CANADA LATELY??? Why is it that liberals never think that what they are doing is wrong, just that they haven't done enough of it yet? Command economies aren't a bad idea, we just haven't gotten enough practice with it. Socialism would work if only I could be in charge of it!!!
In the words of the great Myron Cope, "Yoi, and double yoi."
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GoldStandard
May 30, 2007, 2:40 p.m.http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
What Moore doesn't want you to see.
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Reignman
May 30, 2007, 2:48 p.m.Michael Moreon!!! This man is pathetic, hes joins the same company as Danny Glover.. Hes just a HYPOCRITE!!! Thats all he is... I wish he would just pack up his crap and take his disgustingly fatass to CUBA!!!! My sister had the misery of running into this SLOB in New York at a fine dining restuarant, sitting one table away from him she descride his behavior as extremely loud, rude, and belittling the waitress that was serving him..... One pathetic man if you ask me.... Then again so are the morons that believe me... The fact that some of you idolize him.. GOD HELP YOU!!!
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SCJDM
May 30, 2007, 2:58 p.m.I don't believe that comparing the U.S. health care system to Cuba is appropriate. I am imagining you would perfer a system better than the third world.
Obviously you have health care. And you did it on your own. Considering the 46 million Americans who are not insured are raising your rates nearly every day I would think you would still like to see it improved.
Just because a car runs better than a 1974 Dodge Dart doesn't mean we shouldn't want to make it run better.
Thanks anyway.
SCJDM
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7734
May 30, 2007, 3 p.m.elel
"Ah, well, something has got to be better than what we have now? yes?"
Sure is. And it's breaking the financial backs of Europe trying to keep the socialist health care lie going.
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7734
May 30, 2007, 3:02 p.m.But then, Mikey Mooreron is sooo much more educated, of much better character than any of us. He trades on social morons to make his money.
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DoerNotASayer
May 30, 2007, 3:17 p.m.The only morons are the ones who criticize things they have never seen and things that they don't understand.
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Locky12
May 30, 2007, 3:30 p.m.Taking medical advice from Michael Moore is smart. Just go to one of the world's most despotic regimes and say you want top notch health care. Just before they shoot you and dump your body in a swamp, tell them you're here to embarrass Bush.
Yeah, let's move to Cuba. What a fat moron.
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FordTruck5Speed
May 30, 2007, 3:39 p.m.Well, the real way is to get government COMPLETELY out of healthcare. We could lower costs bitg time by making it HARDER for patients to sue doctors when their condition isn't cured. There's a difference between malpractice and human error. Our system now (thank you, lawyers) makes it easy for a patient to sue a doctor or hospital for ANYTHING. That drives up insurance premiums for doctors, limits the procedures they are willing to do, and of course raises YOUR cost. It will take 37 more posts to explain why the insurance system is causing rates to go up, and I don't mean because the insurance companies are evil and they hate us. A lot of it has to do with regulation and that everyone is entitled to health care, including illegal aliens. But, that's another topic altogether.
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pac779
May 30, 2007, 4:14 p.m.I hope Mike Moore starts filming in Mexico, perhaps he can spark the communist revolution to show us a better way, I for one look forward to a communist Mexico, then the Mexican government will build a fence and shoot anyone trying to leave, thus fixing our illegal immigration problems
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eviln3d
May 30, 2007, 4:43 p.m.People should simply accept that Michael Moore and Al Gore are both in the business of making mockumentaries not documentaries. A big difference, I've watch Moores and yes they are more entertaining than a real documentary, the only problem is he twists facts and edits in a less than ethical manner so that someone unknowledgeable about the material can end up believing the grass is purple or other hogwash. A very dangerous film maker.
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xpansion
May 30, 2007, 5:23 p.m.One of the funny things about the article -
'How could a poor developing country...where annual health care spending averages just $230 a person compared with $6,096 in the United States...come anywhere near matching the richest country in the world?'
then it says -
'Statistics from the World Health Organization, the C.I.A. and other sources all show that the people of Cuba and the United States have about the same life expectancy...77 years, give or take a few months.'
So basically we are spending over 25x the amount of money in healthcare to be around the same boat (more or less) as Cuba in terms of life expectancy?
Way to advocate your position, DePalma...any English major will tell you to lead of with your strongest argument to solidify your position. Maybe they have Journalism classes at Pat Robertson's 'university' too...
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