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The early success of Rudy Giuliani's presidential bid has provoked a groundswell of opposition from disparate forces including conservative Catholics, remnants of Pat Buchanan's presidential campaigns and regional political operatives seeking to break into the Republican firmament. The opposition is united in its determination to block Giuliani.

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TechnologyExpert
May 31, 2007, 11:45 p.m.
But lurking just beneath the surface is another motive for these anti-Giuliani conservatives: cash. The groups hope to benefit from a large constituency of donors willing to write big checks to bring down the former New York Mayor City mayor. The donors include backers of Giuliani's competitors as well as ideologues of the right.
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Jaydee40
June 1, 2007, 9:55 a.m.
So much for separation of church and state.
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GWHayduke
June 1, 2007, 10:09 a.m.
Does it even matter?
Republicans can't possibly win the election after what Dumbyah & Co. have done their party and this country.
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Neophile
June 1, 2007, 10:18 a.m.
America deserves better than these swift-boat politics.
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tchef
June 1, 2007, 12:12 p.m.
America also deserves better than a bunch of Neocons selling our souls to the Chinese to finance their failed war.
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Jaydee40
June 1, 2007, 12:41 p.m.
I made no reference to the constitution at all, just that most developed countries try to stop the church from interfering in politics. As I stated before the constitution means little to me.
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tkyrchncs
June 2, 2007, 2:28 a.m.
Seems as though nobody can even quote the constitution correctly, much less devine the intentions of the authors.
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deathray
June 1, 2007, 5:01 p.m.
There are two clauses, right?
However, if you want the intent of the framers because you are an originalist, here are some examples of intent:
James Madison, the principal drafter of the United States Bill of Rights, who often wrote of "total separation of the church from the state" (1819 letter to Robert Walsh). "Strongly guarded . . . is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States," Madison wrote, and he declared, "practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government is essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States" (1811 letter to Baptist Churches).
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deathray
June 1, 2007, 5:35 p.m.
Ulysses S. Grant:
"Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private school, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate
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seektruth
June 1, 2007, 6:18 p.m.
Christians are the ones whining about some "attack on the Christian faith".
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0gramstransfat
June 1, 2007, 11:07 a.m.
America deserves better than the mentality that follows the notion of the Bible says it so it must be true. What one person is taught from a religious standpoint shouldn't be written into laws that affect people who don't have the same belief.
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ontherock
June 1, 2007, 11:26 a.m.
The underlying motive is the almighty dollar people not almighty God!!!
It sickens me when greedy people hide behing religion or anything else!!
I am a Catholic and I think Guiliani has so much more to offer this country than anyone else running. Billary will have terrorists over for dinner and in my opinion B. O. just doesn't seem like he has the brains or the stamina to take what the presidency dishes out. Guiliani has shown he can handle a tough situation and he turned NY City from a slumish dump back into a place you can bring your children and not feel you will be mugged on the next corner.
I don't agree with everything he stands for but he seems to be the better choice in my book,
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patnmeril
June 1, 2007, 11:52 a.m.
I love the way we incorporate religion into our politics, then have huge legal battles over wether or not school children should say the Lords prayer in the classroom,if it is "legal" to have the 10 commandments displayed in public areas (court rooms etc), or if a "no hats" dress code in a school should be enforced with muslim children.
I for 1 am terrified at the thought of having our countries policies dictated or even strongly influenced by someones interpertation of the bible/koran/etc. Look at how well theologies work in Iran, Taliban controlled Afganistan, etc. While I respect any persons, or groups, right to have and express opinions, I am very concerned with the amount of power that certain religious groups seem to have in influencing our laws and policies. Of course as most have pointed out, the Almighty Dollar is the Supreme Power that we all must worship.
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joeblowe
June 1, 2007, 11:51 a.m.
I'm actually liking Ron Paul more and more. I think he MIGHT actually be pretty honest. I know, I know, he's a politican so it's REALLY unlikely, but still....
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mr-thoughtful
June 1, 2007, 2 p.m.
A few years back, American Demographics magazine wrote a story on abortion. It turns out, sorted by religious affiliation, the highest percentage of abortion seekers were Catholics.
I am reminded of an old Mark Twain saying about calling back the missionaries from China to save the Christians here in America.
I wish that Catholics and Evangelicals would concentrate on lowering the abortion rate among their own followers before they attempted to force their point of view on everyone else.
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ryan601
June 1, 2007, 2:20 p.m.
You Rudy supporters are all falling for this image that he is gladly fomenting among the public that he is somehow this expert on terrorism and national security issues simply because he happened to be mayor of New York on 9/11. This is complete and utter bullsh!t.
Admit it though, when you think of Rudy the first thing that comes to mind is that image of him emerging from the rubble of the WTC, isn't it? You conveniently forget, or gloss over, all the horrible things he did as mayor or that most New Yorkers wanted him gone on 9/10/01. You forget his horrible record with race relations, the culture of corruption and racism in the NYPD that was fostered during his tenure, the bungling of his administration in dealing with the Board of Education, oh and lets not forget the Virginia Trash Controversy.
Yet because of this one event, he is portrayed in the media as if he is some kind of national security hero, like he's the guy who knows how to order freakin' Jack Bauer around.
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cherev
June 1, 2007, 2:50 p.m.
Well, kids, it's been fun, but I have to go and prepare lunch for tomorrow for a charitable organization I'm affiliated with.
Gotta love it. Libs talk about helping people, but it's us Conservatives who do the work.
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brothers
June 1, 2007, 2:53 p.m.
How about a super smart computer to take over the country. This way it will not favor one party over another or one person over the other. It seems that no matter what anyone thinks there will always be someone that doesn't like it.
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marsbonfire29
June 1, 2007, 5:43 p.m.
Rudolph Giuliana has been married three times. Bill Clinton, with all his extra-marital activities, has only been married once. Who ya gonna call??
Peace
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curley-zark
June 1, 2007, 5:47 p.m.
There is great evidence here for complete lack of brain power. The drug war and the BS idea of "zero tolerance" is behind the fall of he USA. "Zero tolerance" is quite simply bad engineering whether it's mechanical or social engineering. I am amazed at how few can see this simple truth.
The drug war turned lower class society upside down making heroes of the biggest thugs in the hood, funneled more money yearly to gangs than you can imagine, fostered this gang mentality in their own children who took it to school along with guns where your kids caught it. The enriched thugs created Rap music which multiplied the problem, the new gang attitude in schools caused drive by shootings and then school shootings. Your kids are now thug brained twits and your too blind to see it's your fault for supporting the drug war and "zero tolerance".
Rappers call themselves "ganstas". Prohibition, the same mistake that created Capone is back in spades!
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NelsonR
June 1, 2007, 7:59 p.m.
Cat7 - Are you here in the 21st century or have you somehow time warped to our era? I bet with that post you also believe that Adam and Eve played along side dinosaurs 10,000 years ago. Your post was quite primal and archaic.
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NelsonR
June 1, 2007, 7:53 p.m.
Not a fan of Giuliani but I abhor religions attempt to subvert elections with their tax free status. Its time to tax these religious institutions for invading the American way of life. Jesus did not subvert Rome but today religions of all persuassions attempt to dictate the agenda within our elected representative government.
Why should they be tax free?? If they meddle they must be forced to pay a price through taxes. Who are they to avow illegals are legal when in reality the law says otherwise. I am sick of their meddling and the evangelicals are no different then the islamist with their righteous rhetoric of its our way or the highway. Meaning, believe in my way or you have a hell for eternity to pay. Ignorance personified. Tax all religious institutions and our national debt will be satisfied on the backs of the hypocrits supreme.