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Exclusivity of any kind has always made me nervous enough that I want to throw up: segregation by skin color, religion, sex, or sexual orientation. So as a gay person, I was doubly disappointed to discover that The Peel Hotel, a nightclub in Melbourne, Australia that caters mostly to homosexual men, was recently granted the right to refuse entry to

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Jaydee40
June 1, 2007, 10:06 a.m.
Good story, makes you think. What I find funny here in my province is we don't allow women to strip in bars, male troops routinely come in and for that night its no men allowed, and guys, when your women go to these things they get buck wild.
I'm sure we all can find examples of what the author means in our own lives.
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jumpmaster
June 1, 2007, 10:12 a.m.
This is a funny story from the land down under.
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WCFIELDS
June 1, 2007, 10:46 a.m.
The game is called "Golf" not "White, Male Golf."
WHAT? Everyone knows that Jackie Robinson integrated the game of golf six decades ago.
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Squedge
June 1, 2007, 11:22 a.m.
I have always found the term reverse discrimination to be amusing. It essentially implies that there are acceptable forms of discrimination; discrimination is discrimination.
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Worldview
June 1, 2007, 12:41 p.m.
In a related story . . . (Gays and lesbians allowed conjugal visits in prisons)
sfgate.com...
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SlapALib
June 1, 2007, 12:54 p.m.
How do they card for this?
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abntv
June 1, 2007, 1:30 p.m.
Some people just have far to much time on their hands
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xlegultx
June 1, 2007, 2:26 p.m.
Its interesting how given the chance many people will discriminate against others even though they recive(d) the same treatment.
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Logan666
June 1, 2007, 2:37 p.m.
I'd love to see how the media would react to a nightclub refusing to allow gays/lesbians in. ACLU would have a field day.
Equal rights, ya right.
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marlenebomer
June 1, 2007, 2:55 p.m.
For an oppressed minority to oppress another is the height of hypocracy!
Yes, I thought it was nice for a couple of times to have heterosexuals to face the sting of "I'm sorry, we don't serve *your* kind here!", but when it's repeated it only shows once again the stereotype of gay men being horribly inclusive, partiarchial, and misogynistic.
When the gay liberation movement began, it excluded not only lesbians, but transfolf as well, and if it wasn't for pressuring these groups and exposing their hypocracy, they would still be primarily gay-focused.
The Human Rights Campaign for years refused to recognize transfolk not only as being part of the TLBG family, but refused to add gender identity to the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, but any proposed anti-discrimination bill!
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Commodore1
June 1, 2007, 3:40 p.m.
The interesting thing about racism and discrimination is that anyone can practice it. Racism and discrimination in themselves do not discriminate. Anyone can do it. Now the gay people in Melbourne have proven that are just as discriminatory as any heterosexual male. Congratulations! You're now equal to the average discriminating heterosexual.
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KYRed
June 1, 2007, 7:06 p.m.
"Exclusivity of any kind has always made me nervous enough that I want to throw up:"
Yeah, he's gay.
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amazed
June 1, 2007, 7:22 p.m.
AS far as the excluding "large groups of heterosexuals" from gay bars...maybe that's NOT such a bad thing.
When I was in college when large groups of straights were going to the gay bar, they considered it kind of like going to the zoo. I don't think it was all that conducive to greater understanding among the groups...
..but maybe times really HAVE changed.
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nshortlidge
June 1, 2007, 7:44 p.m.
This makes no sense at all to me.Can someone please explain to me how there can be "reverse discrimination" by definition that means that there was no discrimination.Discrimination does not mean that just one group falls prey to discrimination.Come on people wake up and realize that discrimination is discrimination it has no race,creed,gender, or sexual preferance.
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Poulenc
June 1, 2007, 10:57 p.m.
To the degree that gay people have been and still are discriminated against, gay, in fact all people, will duplicate the inflicted slight, as children who are brutalized brutalize others.
As the situation improves for gay folks (and it has to a remarkable degree in a remarkably brief period of time), the need to treat-as-treated will abate and then, with any luck, disappear.
I can't be the only person who's noticed that gay bars, at least of the old style, have almost become extinct. That's largely a function of the Internet, which makes hook-ups so much easier and less ego-risky, but it also bespeaks greater gay-straight integration....
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harriermech
June 2, 2007, 1:50 a.m.
I got an ideal if you are gay and don't like to be discriminated against don't be gay. It is your choice to be gay not mine or anyone else choice. I don't understand how you being gay can be compared to race. A person can not change their color of their skin but you can change your lifestyle.
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thats-it
June 2, 2007, 4:57 a.m.
Well said harriermech and what are you reeking of puffin...I wounder
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antiwar
June 2, 2007, 11:17 a.m.
Being Gay is not genetic, you can choose to be straight if you wish.I am quite happy to be straight. Either way gay marrage, sex, and anything associated with gay people is perverted. Don't be gay, it is bad, because people will hate you.
THE END.
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tkyrchncs
June 6, 2007, 2:35 a.m.
Webster is hardly "some publisher". Dictionaries do not attempt to change society's usage, but to reflect it closely as posslible shortly before publication. It is society's usage that changes dictionaries.
While the Constitution has carried us a long way, it would not be possible to use it as our foundation without considerable interpretation, extension, and modification. The current physical extent, technological advancement, and social complexity of the US would have been unimaginable to the Founders. There are now more gay citizens than the entire population in 1789.
If uou view the Founders as a group of pious burghers gathered for calm and sober debate then we are not reading the same histories. Franklin was witty and irreverent. Among his oft-quoted profundities: "I like widows. They are so grateful." Payne was ascerbic and disdainful. Samuel Adams and Patrick Henry were passionately furious.
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