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Posted by: Karina 2 years, 7 months agoLeaders of the G8 nations have agreed to a compromise deal on tackling climate change, German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said.
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SlapALib
June 7, 2007, 10:18 a.m.This line was just funny:
""We agreed... that CO2 emissions must first be stopped and then followed by substantial reductions," she said."
Stopped? Are we suppose to quit breathing? LOL
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gamahuche
June 7, 2007, 10:26 a.m.Agreement is better than no agreement! So far we don't have the headlines, let alone the small-print. The devil will be in the detail.
I'm more worried at this moment by the missile-shield issue and am keeping my fingers crossed on that.
It seems a long time since GWB was doing his Pooty Poot routine.
Isn't it scary how often the destiny of the world hangs on this little matter of "personal chemistry" between our leaders?
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bill2936
June 7, 2007, 10:28 a.m.Why don't the EU members just admit, they can't meet their Kyoto Accord numbers and that the US is doing better at CO2 reduction without Kyoto.
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alxnsc
June 7, 2007, 10:48 a.m.This line may look funny but it is just absurd:
"Ahead of the meeting US President George W Bush proposed the establishment of his own process of climate control negotiations"
Mankind has no capacity to control the climate. The effect of human activity produced CO2 is negligibly small compared to the effect of volcano emissions of CO2, SO2, dust, etc.
So these two "Chattermouths" have some business in mind and not the climate.
Well, CO2 and money don't smell...
All this made me recall some 2002 slogan of a lady!!! protester:
"The only Bush I trust is my own".
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simonsez
June 7, 2007, 11:38 a.m.We've entered the stage when we will talk about global warming solutions every day a thousand times a day. Every company will advertise "think green" or "going green".
Governments will claim they are responding to the problem to "save the planet", eventually claiming they've saved us from extinction.
As long as we don't buy into "carbon credits" crap, it will do no harm and it will make those who bought into the scam feel better.
By the way, I did enjoy the story yesterday about "air powered cars" Nifty idea I had never thought about.
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simonsez
June 7, 2007, 12:43 p.m.I agree, Mac ... still a lot to do to make it practical and acceptable.
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simonsez
June 7, 2007, 12:46 p.m.Angela seems to be doing well over there. Every photo seems to have her in the center of it.
I think I could support a female for President ... just not the one running.
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protoham
June 7, 2007, 6:59 p.m.ANYBODY that thinks the Iraq war was a bad idea should be watching the History channel Right NOW.
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cloud15
June 7, 2007, 7:21 p.m.I personally believe global warming is overhypped by miles. The temperature has been higher than now, and no it was not during a period of doughts desertification or declines in life, it was during the jurrasic period which saw a great increase in plant / animal diversity. But why worry about the CO2 when thats not the problem?
So if its not greenhouse gases than what is it? One explanation that seems more reasonable than the greenhouse scare is Solar Activity. Our planet recieves the majority of heat from the sun. The sun is currently at an all time high in activity. Ive seen plenty of graphs showing the corralation between CO2 and temp, but nobody bothers to show other graphs such as this one of solar activity vs. temp: www.pha.jh...
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/Irradianc...
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cloud15
June 7, 2007, 7:30 p.m.http://igs.indiana.edu/geology/ancient/freezefr...
Here is a graph of CO2 Vs. Temp.
Seems very consistant until it reaches a certain point...why is it that when CO2 skyrockets at the very end the temperature does not skyrocket with it? The temp stops slightly short of the temperature high seen earlier in the graph even though earlier in the graph the CO2 levels were lower than current CO2 levels.
Maybe it is not the CO2 which effects the heat....but the heat that effects the CO2. According to the graph temperature in 2000 are the same as it was around 160k BC. The CO2 levels in 2000 are about 60ppm higher than 160k BC yet the temp is the same. So maybe the temperature was a change from the Sun rather than CO2.
But than why the excess in CO2? Well ice caps are currently melting and guess what, they release CO2. So the natural heating effects of the Sun cause an increase of natural CO2 emissions to the extent seen at 160k BC. Keep reading below.
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cloud15
June 7, 2007, 7:39 p.m.Then add the 60ppm contributed to Humans and we have the 360ppm seen at the end of the graph, without a heat contribution from CO2, but rather an Increase of CO2 due to the increase in solar activity.
Currently trying to find a graph on CO2 vs. Solar Activity.
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GenButler
June 7, 2007, 7:50 p.m.Cutting CO2 emissions by 50% in 43 years seems a rather lame goal. By then the world's oil reserves and coal deposits will be so depleted that there will be no more profit in it for the oil and coal companies because the costs associated with extraction and refining will become prohibitive. We won't be able to sustain our consumption then at 50% of the present levels, anyway. This "agreement" is so compromised as to be decievingly meaningless.
We must reduce consumption more and faster than 50% by 2050 and we must develop alternative technologies which don't pollute and which don't require more energy to produce than they deliver. Solar and wind are advancing and becoming more affordable, but we must also curb ureban sprawl and un-checked development. That means placing a premium on our remaining farmlands and forests and stopping the proliferation of far-flung new-build "bedroom" communities. Oops! There goes the Republican re-districting scheme!
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JohnnyB
June 7, 2007, 9:43 p.m.thats funny how they think they can alter the climate, when its not even know what causes global warming or if its significant.
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FordTruck5Speed
June 8, 2007, 9:29 a.m.Well, even though an "agreement" was reached, I think it was the best kind of agreement for the US and other developed nations that generate wealth of their own. The key: no set-in-stone numerical goal for emissions reductions. Why is this good? Think about it. If there was a hard number to achieve, what would the consequences be if that number was not reached? Add on to that the fact that it is extremely likely that we aren't going to change the climate one way or the other. I'm OK with cleaning up a bit, but I don't want any part of a world governing body deciding what happens if we don't meet some arbitrarey number.
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BarryM
June 8, 2007, 9:30 a.m.Global warming is a lot of hog wash according to some of our top scientists in the world.
It is a natural thing as the world gets older.
The politicians need to further their agenda so they can get more press.
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FordTruck5Speed
June 8, 2007, 10 a.m.Barry, Unfortunately, too many people are waving the global warming flag (the Al Gores of the world) in an effort to politicize the environment a la Rachel Carson. They'll shout from the rooftops "The debate's over! Fix global warming! We're all gonna die!" I have been saying all along that we should take care of this place and do our best not to destroy everything around us. However, I get suspicious ANY time some group, or in this case an entire political party, picks some little thing out of the air and starts shouting doomsday theories. Of cou8rse, things like this in the political world mean one of two things. Money or power. The left loves high taxes and loves central power. While this shoultn't even be a political issue, overall, the Democrats (read, "liberals") are running around like chicken little, while the REAL Republicans(read: "political conservatives") seem to have a more realistic view on how to handle things.
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FordTruck5Speed
June 8, 2007, 1:35 p.m.Tclaw, when a good scientist discovers it, and a free enterpreneur finds a way to sell it.
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