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Posted by: TechnologyExpert 2 years, 5 months agoDespite denials by their governments, senior security officials in Poland and Romania have confirmed to investigators for the Council of Europe that their countries were used to hold some of America's most important prisoners captured after 9/11 in secret.
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TechnologyExpert
June 7, 2007, 8:35 p.m.None of the prisoners had access to the Red Cross and many were subject to what George Bush has called the CIA's "enhanced" interrogation methods. These included water-boarding which leads detainees to believe they are drowning, which critics have condemned as severe torture.
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rightfromwrong
June 8, 2007, 8:26 a.m.Bush is the Axis of evil...nothing surprises me anymore
and I hope one day he will be tortured and beg for his speedy death.
Bring the troops home alive
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Amazing1
June 8, 2007, 8:32 a.m.I hope this story gets the play it deserves. Thank you for posting it.
It's just plain disgraceful. "Extraordinary renditions" and "enhanced interrogations" should not be used by a nation that promotes itself as the "land of the free and the home of the brave." The current administration had their rubber stamp Congress pass the Military Commissions Act which was freaking retroactive, just to cover the butts of all who participated in this sorry business.
We need to run these crooks out of office. Impeach, indict and imprison! Otherwise, to the rest of the world, our citizenry will be considered complicit in this disgusting business.
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DrWatson
June 8, 2007, 8:39 a.m.The US is no longer regarded as the good guys, fair, reasonable.
They are the new THUGS on the block after Stalins Russia and Hitlers Germany.
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canadianrancher57
June 8, 2007, 8:44 a.m.I am not only upset at your country for this but all those others that are involved as well. If these people are terrorists then they are a threat to the world in general and not just the U.S., as such their identities should be made known to all and their treatment as prisoners should reflect the values of the world and some of it's treaties regarding prisoners. All information and treatment regarding these people should be open for public scrutiny. In my eyes treating these people any differently than others is a crime.
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Codi6934
June 8, 2007, 8:47 a.m.SO , what they have done to us doesn't even come close. The only thing they understand is victory and death. Anything short of death is a victory to them.
If that information stops ONE attack, SO WHAT!! I just want to know if they are hiring.
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RedSoxGirl
June 8, 2007, 8:58 a.m.I think the government has probably had some incidents of mistreatment of detainees. But I have a close friend who is in the Army and was stationed at Guantanamo Bay, a really sweet guy, who explained to me that they are treated extremely well.
He said that if people actually came there to see the place people would know then that all the torture claims are false and that they are treated even better than the soldier's guarding them. But he said that since it is a classified place, people just can't freely walk in and see for themselves. He's a really great guy and I take him for his word. I would think calling them on the level of Nazi's or Stalin is ridiculous. These are you own soldier's you guys are talking about.
Sure, there are bad apples in the bunch, but just like any corporation or organization. Be reasonable.
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GHOSTWHOWALKS
June 8, 2007, 9:02 a.m.Codi--"If that information stops ONE attack, SO WHAT!! I just want to know if they are hiring". What good does it do if WE become what we are fighting against? "I have met the enemy, and He is US." This Country is better than that.
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lvrofwolves
June 8, 2007, 9:04 a.m.To me suspect means just that. I can't see where using extreme measures of torture would gain anything, it's like what they did to suspected witches long ago. Again illegal means illegal, so if that is a true fact, that too is wrong. I can't imagine anyone even guessing they know what went on there unless they saw it or were involved directly, at the Polish and Romanian sites.
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gsquare
June 8, 2007, 9:22 a.m.These "new" facts and proof is a lot of non-news. The facts are that Europe and NATO have been supportive of the effort from day one. The Guardian and their sources are seemingly disappointed that the CIA did this with pen and ink approval of the program at the highest Euro levels. More so that Europe would do anything in coop with the US. The West Euro Left has hated the US for a long time; far pre-dating the events following 9/11. We are a threat to their socialist dogma. So much a threat that Euro moderates are finally saying, Our system doesnt work. This is much more about hatred of the US econ system, and the weak status of European influence in general than how a few islamic thugs are treated.
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jjuunneew
June 8, 2007, 10:01 a.m.I don't believe anything Bush says, he is a congenital liar. His so-called religious beliefs are probably lies too, if you really believe in the Bible you can't persecute human beings as he has done.
Ben Laden---2800
Bush---3400---and counting!!!
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ETproductions
June 8, 2007, 10:08 a.m.Secret prisons. Extraordinary rendition. Suspension of Habeas Corpus, Torture. Indefinite detention without trials. This isn't the United States I knew. It sounds more like the old Soviet Union's gulags.
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Waterkeeper
June 8, 2007, 10:14 a.m.I fully support these prisions. Every head lopper should know that the U.S. is not ***king around any more. They should know, that if you want to engage in this type of activity, you too could be looking at some R&R there.
But you extremist apologists don't seem to care as long as you can use it to forward your political agendas.
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toronto114
June 8, 2007, 10:14 a.m.I like what this American soldier had to say about idiots like yourselves. Last post on the page ;-)
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WCFIELDS
June 8, 2007, 10:21 a.m.This is the very reason that the P.T.A. is about ready to close down for lack of members. Secret C.I.A. prisons all over the place filled to over-flowing with "parents and teachers, social workers and preachers".
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skyking2p
June 8, 2007, 10:27 a.m.Your right ET. This is the farrrr right America. The so called Christan's. The ones that keep talking about the bible, but they only talk about killing and war and hate. I remember a song they sing in church when i was growing up it went "onward christan soilders marching as to war with the cross of Jesus going on befor". Sad bunch of people. Glad I'm not part of that anymore
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zembel
June 8, 2007, 11:47 a.m.The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba,
Yet, U.S. officials have little sympathy for the prisoners. Collectively, they have admitted responsibility for the deaths of several thousand innocent civilians.
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butterknuckles
June 8, 2007, 11:55 a.m.Someone needs to fix that wording because on my screne the headline still reads "Secret"...Quite misleading!
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Thimk
June 8, 2007, 12:19 p.m.TO ALL!!!! If you don't like being an American citizen, just get out. For those of you aren't I feel sorry for you. Our country is so evil that millions are sneaking in. Why don't all you anti Bush people get a life. I think you are all cowards and would love to bring the US down not just Bush. He is OUR president just like amoral Clinton was. We survived his inadequencies and we will survive Bush unless you socialists weaken our country from within.
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charliedontsurf1
June 8, 2007, 12:28 p.m.I have lived the last three years in England getting my law degree, I have read the Guardian, and it is nothing but the truth when I say it does not hold the credibility of a traditional newspaper. It is more like an editorial edition of The Enquirer. Sorry to disapoint all of you who believe things that lack a true foundation of fact.
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DoerNotASayer
June 8, 2007, 12:43 p.m.Of course all the neocons are attacking the source instead of dealing with the facts. There is nothing here that hasn't been proven/substantiated elsewhere. There only point here is exactly where the black sites where and the extent home country governments had knowledge of them.
If you don't like the Guardian as a source, then how about the Itailian government, which is trying 24 US agents in abstentia for snatching people off the streets and sending them to black sites out of the country. Is that credible enough for you? [But I guess Rush (in his drug induced state) or Fox hasn't covered that.]
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MikeFromCanada
June 8, 2007, 1:11 p.m.There is one thing that I would like to know, to which a clear answer has never surfaced during this chapter in history.
Why did Al Qaeda attack America in the first place?
An operation like that requires resources, training, planning; in short a great deal of effort. You don't do that sort of thing unless you have some sort of goal.
If they just hated Christians, then it would make more sense to hit The Vatican to deal a more "symbolic" blow. If they hate Americans because they are "free", it would make more sense to attack their own government to force change.
We will probably never know the real answer.
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Tcaros
June 8, 2007, 1:27 p.m.The 9/11 commission report concluded that credible threats were known, but there was a failure to act. That is the smoking gun. Our intelligence services have understood Islamic terrorists for some time. They have more sophisticated technology than most Americans know about. To think that this took place without prior knowledge of our intelligence services would be foolish. The real question is why was their a failure to act?
What happened shortly after 9/11? The fear enabled John Ashcroft to speed through Congress and the House the US Patriot Act. This was the most broad sweeping legislation to abridge personal protections from government instrusion. The President said "we need this to fight terrorists," but he never told the American people how far the govenment could spy on Americans. In 2004 the New York Times broke the story about the NSA illegal spying on Americans. Bush eventually admitted he authorized it prior to 9/11. Here lies the saw bones.
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zembel
June 8, 2007, 1:43 p.m.Your tax dollars at work: doesn't it make you feel proud to be an American?
And by the way,as people who do the torturing have known down through the ages, the only thing torture is really good for is to get the person being tortured to say ANYTHING you want them to say, in order to get the pain to stop.
In other words, it's to get a "confession" that can be bandied about as the truth.
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