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Immigration issues rocked the Republican field at Tuesday night's debate, with all but Senator John McCain finding serious flaws with various parts of the legislation. The mounting opposition, from many quarters including Democrats, put a lot of pressure on the compromise bill. It failed last night in the Senate...

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stephen-johnson
June 8, 2007, 10:43 a.m.
I didn't know that the Times had a political blog. I was surprised how they were able to keep their editorial policies out of the reporting. Falcone must be an even handed reporter.
Either that, or
1-Today is atypical
2-My BS detector is down - need more coffee
Thanks zaph22
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TechnologyExpert
June 8, 2007, 10:44 a.m.
Not sure why this is called immigration fallout, since it covers a number of issues, including:
immigration
gays in the military
Obama vs. Clinton
Iraq
That said, I'm not sure what difference a cooling-off period for the Immigration bill will make ... unless it's an extended one.
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ramblingwreck
June 8, 2007, 10:50 a.m.
It's interesting that politicians from neither the "left" or the "right" can accept what I believe to be a simple fact: Many Americans want our borders secured before any other immigration issue is "tackled"; after all, after the 1986 fiasco why would we believe anything "they" (the politicians) tell us about what they are going to do?
It strikes me that they have forgotten one simple rule: Highly complex probles are often more easily solved one step at a time. A comprehensive immigration bill is too complex, however, taken in individual steps the problem may be solvable.
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texangelwings
June 8, 2007, 11:01 a.m.
Thanks zaph, good article.
When people break the law, they should be proscuted & serve the time in jail or be deported to their own countries. We would not be discussing this, if other countries would provide jobs for their own people, and our government would get Corporate lobbyist out of what is suppose to be our US "Government of the People & by the people"!
If a person breaks into anyones house, what should take place? (does this person become my dependent?)
This bill was an amnesty bill for Big Business and other countries governments, neither care about the workers, just the bottom line/profits..
Wonder how many of our representatives have housekeepers, or vested interest in cheap laborers?
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SlapALib
June 8, 2007, 11:12 a.m.
Go after the employers who employ illegal aliens and NAIL THEIR A$$ES TO THE WALL. You'll see illegal immigration clear up in about ten seconds. You won't even be able to find an illegal at the street corner to mow your lawn.
Now I want to be fair, if somebody has employed someone who had false documents, i.e. an identity thief, then the employer is in the clear. However, guess what, the illegal immigrant has done far more than just illegally entered the nation, s/he has stolen a citizen's identity, thus we should NAIL HER/HIS A$$ TO THE WALL.
Which leads to my final proposal, make identity theft a capital offense. You read that right.
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trnscndr
June 8, 2007, 11:13 a.m.
I love you to say I told you so (except of course, when I was wrong) In this case it feels good and bad, as something must be done and the whole purpose of this charade was to LOOK like they were doing something when they just LOVE the status quo and never had any intention of passing a law or enforcing it once they did.
It is theater. Let's just NOT forget who played what parts, because the ones that didn't oppose this thing from the very beginning... loudly, must be replaced in 2008.
They have all sold out and the only thing they understand is being out of work.
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RedRiverJ
June 8, 2007, 4:25 p.m.
John McCain is a fine one to find 'fallout' with the immigration bill. He can't control immigration in his own state of Arizona, so he is NOT someone who's word or opinion I would trust. I wouldn't let him dog sit my dog so I most certainly will not have much confidence in his word on immigration. It seems he and John Kyle (R) arizona have sold out the good people of their state. Both are RINO's, republican in name only.
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RedRiverJ
June 8, 2007, 4:30 p.m.
Go here to see how they voted, bottom of page.
http://www.congressandimmigration.com/S-1348imm... 6/07/07 The
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jovial
June 8, 2007, 5:32 p.m.
In order to work effectively on this immigration problem they need to stop trying to take on the whole problem at one time.
First, and I think we can all agree, we must secure our borders. Neocon, left leaning liberal, whatever your persuasion on that we can agree. So let's tackle that issue first. Let congress send in a bill that contains a good solution for that problem with no earmarks. After we stem the tide of illegal immigration and increase our security. Then we can tackle each problem after that individually until the problem is solved. This is a big problem. Breaking it up into parts that we can all agree on first and solving those problems individually, I think is the correct answer. Applause!!
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AbuAmirah
June 8, 2007, 6:26 p.m.
Well, it should shake them bastards up. They should listen to us, the people who vote them in instead of the people that give them the money to help them bullshiite us into voting them in.
They need to craft legislation that punishes companies and individuals that hire them, make it illegal for them to enroll their kids in school and entiltlement programs,deportation, makes it illegal to send money back to their home countries and that it is no longer american policy to extend citizenship to illegal aliens.
So they need to catch some heat
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jovial
June 8, 2007, 8:51 p.m.
Zaph, I voted for your story in spite of you. I hesitated to even comment or vote at all, but in the spirit of good will, I decided to bury the hatchet and visit your twisted world. I agree something has to be done, and I offered solutions. I tell you this, however, I'm real. I'm as real as an American can get. I will discuss anything, anytime, with anyone. If I'm wrong, I'll swallow it. I've been wrong before, and I'm sure I'll be wrong again. I don't follow, I'm a leader. That's who I am.
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EsaEngr
June 9, 2007, 12:04 a.m.
Thanks Zaph.... geat article. it really is all over the political spectrum. i will keep an eye on this thread snd comment as other issues covered in the article are brought up. You KNOW I have alot to say about most of what was covered.
Re: Illeagal Immigration... I think I danced all day, since learning about this probability at 3am!! I concur with several people here, build the damn fence and enforce all the current laws, give us (the American Voting Citizen) some serious insights into what is being proposed, then LISTEN to us! I was amazed with how many Senators want to give AMNESTY to people who are here ILLEAGLY, and they wanted to include criminals in that group!
WE, the people, MUST now carry this further.. DO NOT support Illeagal Aliens. Do NOT hire them outside Home Depot, or your current gardener and do NOT support ANY business that you know is hiring Illegals! Obviously, the fix must start with us.
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