Chemical Ali and two officials sentenced to death by hanging »
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libsRfunny2 years ago
I'm not sorry to see this tyrant go, but I sure as hell wish this Asia news service would learn how report.
Here's a link to better story...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070624/ap_on_re_mi...
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HTML2 years ago
The Asia news report is also comprehensive of the necessary facts and issues when i opened it.
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gamahuche2 years ago
This is an exceptionally badly written piece, very unclear in places.
I would suggest starting all over with an article from an English language source which both offers background to the story and worthwhile commentary. e.g.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2110615...
or perhaps more juicy, definitely longer [!] and rather oddly buried quite deep on the website
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...
The latter article examines the idea that the execution of Saddam without his standing trial on these charges was a denial of justice and also quotes a mother of victims who is dissatisfied with the result.
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pcknowledge2 years ago
The current war in Iraq has killed a great # of innocent civilians. Many more innocent civilians continue to die
in Iraq every day. The entire Iraqi infrastructure has been destroyed.
This is a useless war. The religious factions will continue to fight each other with/without US military there.
That's the nature of a religious war.
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LOCKNLOAD2 years ago
...There is alot in what you stated....as for learning from past histories, Mr Bush should have studied the movie, "Lawrence of Arabia" where at the end of WW1..Britian had 'united' the Arabs to rule in harmony; yet, the Arab's mistrust for even their own kind resorted to tribal warring all over again, and it's still prevalent right now and in the future, what's to change with these people??
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blowback2 years ago
When the Ayatollah Khomeini seized power in Iran in 1979, America set about turning Saddam Hussein into Our Man in the Gulf Region.
Washington gave Baghdad intelligence support.
President Reagan sent a special presidential envoy to Baghdad to talk to Saddam in person.
The envoy's name was Donald Rumsfeld.
Everyone knew that Saddam was using chemical weapons against Iranian conscripts.
When 5,000 Kurds were gassed at Halabja in 1988, Kurdish leaders turned to America for help. Mahmoud Osman was one of them.
"I couldn't get any of my friends in the State Department to return my calls," he said.
"They told me we cannot listen to you when you talk about chemical weapons because we do not want to jeopardise our relations with the Iraqis".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_...
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Lazloe2 years ago
LOCKNLOAD; there is no way on this planet that anyone is going to change a society's manner of rule in one or two decades after is has been in place for more than 5000 years.
Invading a country and having a new power set up a provisional government according to the invading forces standards is doomed to fail no matter how it is implimented.
Don't forget, this war started in 1937 when the Brits tried to set up their own dictated provisional government in Kiwait. Following that, Germany, France, Russia and our own country started meddling in the affairs and governence of the entire Middle East.
Who do you think was responsible for putting Saddam Hussein in power and who supplied the idiot with his weaponry? We have our own dirty laundry to account for in the Middle East.
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blowback2 years ago
> Last week I met a major from Saddam's detested security service the Mukhabarat who had recently defected.
He told me he was ashamed of his career in the service of the dictator.
I asked him why he had not left his job.
"Listen to me," he said.
"I have a wife, a family, a boy. If I leave, he will kill him. Do you know what that means?
"Yes I am ashamed. But I am from this country.
"Not only I helped Saddam Hussein. America helped him, Britain helped him. He's your guy. He's your son."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_...
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badnootka2 years ago
THis is the problem in the world today. More so in the US> We cannot seem to get beyond blaming past administrations. We get on our high horses and anylise the past to death in order to place blame rather than attending to alleviateing the situation. We do not seek solutions only retribution. Get over it and propose something constructive rather thAN just pointing fingers. WHat are we ? 12 years old? Responsibility lies with the individual. What you are saying is that it is a vialbe defence to murdering your neighbor if you have ever been slighted by (a western) government. The US did no force Saddam to gas his people.
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ecotourusa2 years ago
what's our country's excuse, again? how many lives are we responsible for, again? what's going on here?
is this a movie? where am i?
who's being tried for war crimes?
it's difficult to follow this ever-changing plot.
All the characters seem to be one in the same...
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innocent-bystander2 years ago
Lazloe, Hitler thought communism was started by Jews in Russia to destroy Germany and longed for the old Germany under Frederick Barbarrosa. Hitler thought the Jews were not German because they refused to fight for Germany on the battlefront in the gas. So Hitler gassed Jews for treason. Hitler named his attack on Russia Operation Barbarrosa.
Today we see similar traits between Hitler and Putin looking for lost the respect of the USSR and Bin Laden demanding his lost respect for the Muslim nation or Caliphate and his fundamentalists. That is where we get the misnomer Islamofascists.
Muslims recoil at this because Islam does not have anything to do with conquering and neither does Christianity. But both share similar histories of conquest in the name of religion. Both share the idea is that this is exclusive club. With us or agianst us. Muslims are at a distadvantage because as they still have holy leaders. It makes leaders beyond reproach, as if the people are debating God.
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Thinker222 years ago
> Muslims recoil at this because Islam does not have anything to do with conquering and neither does Christianity. But both share similar histories of conquest in the name of religion.
Sorry, brother. Islam has everything to do with conquer and mass murder and so had Christianity a thousand years ago.
You see, it does not matter what they SAY. What they DO matters.
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innocent-bystander2 years ago
The Muslim nation is really split between the two sects with each one fighting each other since the First Fitna or Muslim civil war. They fight the infidels at the same time. Each sect cannot be the "right" religion or path and there is only one thing more heinous to a Muslim than a nonbeliever who makes you question your faith. That is a believer that makes you question your faith. How can both be right? Someone must be wrong. Lets kill each other and see who's side Allah favors. The infidels who really make the Mulsims question their faith is the Jews. How can Allah allow the infidels to live so well? Allah must be testing us. Suicide and killing innocents are wrong in Islam. Yet suicide bombing of innocents of the other sects are done daily. Why? If Allah thought they were true he'd save them. So Allah's willing to let me do this it must be right. I offer myself to Allah because he is great and Allah let me.
It wasn't wrong to stop Saddam and the US did not start this.
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Lazloe2 years ago
If the USA, primarily our President and his staff, were not the ones who started this, why are they so driven to stay in Iraq? Would it not have been easier and less costly to just take out Saddam Hussein and his staff as individuals? After all, every major power in the world advised our President to think twice about invading Iraq and what the consequences would be if we did invade the country. Now, every citizen in our country is paying the price for thinking we have the power to change anything and everything on this planet by forcing our ideals onto another society.
I agree with you that Allah is the Muslim's ultimate leader and they exist and live by that premise. The real fly in the soup is that a Christian driven force invaded a Muslim world and started a non-winnable war. The US military went in with billion dollar state of the art weaponry and tried to fight an non-identifiable enemy and a society that has existed for 5000 years or more.
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innocent-bystander2 years ago
Get to the point. Muslims fundamentalists are looking to fight infidels to bring back the glory of Islam. You hear fundamentalists say the lines were drawn in the wrong place by France and England in the Middle East. Translated that means there should be no lines since the whole world should be Muslim. Secondly you hear, Stop meddling. Translate that it means let us kill off the minority tribes without you defending them. The underlying reasoning is Allah will allow me to kill anyone who is not innocent or he would stop me. Allah's will be done.
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Lazloe2 years ago
And what do you suppose will happen to the minorities and those who sided with our military and political wings when our forces withdraw?
What have we rectified vrs what have we created? Remember Vietnam? I was there! I saw first hand the aftermath of a hasty withdrawal. I can assure you, the same will happen in Iraq. So who do we then blame?
This is an interesting topic and one that I feel will suddenly vanish. If you want to discuss it further and without fear of being shut down, go to this site and start a discussion on the subject.
http://www.freepowerboards.com/horseshoes/?hors...
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HateKoolAid2 years ago
It's amusing to see the U.S. shake its head at all this sectarian violence wondering why they keep it up, all the while allowing Sunnis to be hauled before a Shiite court for a "fair" trial. These people should have been tried in an impartial court like the Hague. These are not court proceedings they are revenge hearings.
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blowback2 years ago
> in the past Saddam was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism and they used him as their instrument for more than 40 years, according to former U.S. intelligence diplomats and intelligence officials.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/articl...
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HateKoolAid2 years ago
I don't think Sadamm had the capability to produce chemical weapons at the level they were used during the Iraq-Iran war and later during the Kurdish operations. So where did he get some the ingredients to put together these weapons?? A hint; Rumsfields hand shaking visit to Sadamm in the early eighties.
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Thinker222 years ago
> I don't think Sadamm had the capability to produce chemical weapons...
Any particular reason? Do you know that Saddam spent hundreds of Billions of petrodollars stolen from his people on weapons technology? Are you sure that the Arabs are so dumb that they're unable to develop (relatively simple) chemical weapons even when they were having almost unlimited resources to do it?
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NelsonR2 years ago
Nobody has mentioned the obvious. Georgie would kick A@@ if he and Cheney were fighting. I just cannot understand why they haven't yet. They are our supermen for peace and prosperity for Iraq. They are truely bad!! Add Rumsfeld and the war would have ended last year. Bush and Cheney are the Terminators. They feel no pain and bullets will not penetrate their armor of rhetoric. Watch out if these two enter the battle.
Makes no mind they never fought, their very bad.
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blinkers2 years ago
Weep no tears for this foul creature. But in terms of helping in any resolution of the troubles befouling this unhappy land, expect nothing.
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Lincoln852 years ago
I guess its a better option to prepare the caskets on our own shore..? It has already happened to us...and they, the true infidels will continue to try and kill us. Its time to mature a little bit. And on the liberal side..I understand why the devout muslims want to kill us...we are a society that worships the like of Rosie and Paris. But there is no talking it out with them.. I am surprised people do not understand that. Those in the government that want to do this..will let them invade and kill more of us. I will never respect the likes of Allah or Elijah Muhammed. Allah is a made up god, and Elijah was pedophile who married 9 year old girls.
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innocent-bystander2 years ago
How can the Hague be impartial when that is where the chemicals for chemical Ali came from. The US did supply pesticides which SAddam said would be used omn the bugs in his swamps and he used them on people. It is not the supplier at fault but the user. Weapons can be used for good or evil. For defense or offense. Saddam took attack helicopters and artillery from Russia and used them on his own and stil Russia supported him. The US acted against a leader of genocide. The US cannot be held equally guilty for acting in Iraq and not acting in Rwanda. The world protected crimial Saddam because he had oil and did not act in Rwanda because they had no oil. Each is a crime.
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HateKoolAid2 years ago
So Rumsfield and Reagan were hoodwinked by the wily Sadamm; they thought they were giving him bug spray.
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badnootka2 years ago
Demanding? He has no right to demand anything that would signify respect.
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HTML2 years ago
The story is comprehensive and does not anymore have to be repetitive of the past events that were several times published on the web. Also, the court's decision is proper.
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bfrogv1a2 years ago
All fine and well to look only at summaries of what was approved for shipment to Iraq in the 1980's.....now take a look closely at them...you'll find they all had either farming or pharmacological uses. These were severely cutback on when evidence of what Saddam had done got out. As to the anthrax exports....these things are bought and sold on the market to enable others to study them. Keep in mind when the US cutoff his access to these things he just started buying them in europe.....all through the UN program that was supposed to allow medicine for the Iraqi people to pass through the embargo.....what was the real reason the Germans and French opposed our going in?????THEIR BIG BUSINESSES WERE MAKING HUGE PROFITS SELLING THIS CONTRABAND TO SADDAM.
What the current Iraqi government does to the remains of the Saddam regime is their business.
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pragmatist2 years ago
Here's how we'll make peace with the Arab world.
1) Immediate pull ALL military forces from the middle east.
2) Immediately withdraw ALL support for Israel.
3) Beg for forgiveness from Allah. (Publicly/Internationally)
4) Pay as much restitution to the Arab world as they so demand.
5) Immediately execute ANY U.S. citizen that speaks out against Allah or the Arab world.
6) Immediately revoke voting, driving, free speech, divorce, and property rights from ALL women in the U.S.
7) Establish censorship control of ALL media.
8) Stone Brittany Spears to death if she ever shows that cute little shaved cooter in public ever again!
Praise Allah!!!!
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el4sail2 years ago
Your list was partially correct.
Here's how we'll make peace with the Arab world.
1) Immediate pull ALL military forces from the middle east.
Unless they invite us to stay by democratic vote.
2) Immediately withdraw ALL support for Israel.
Absolutely this alone would save you $2.00 a gallon at the Pumps.
6) Immediately revoke voting, driving, free speech, divorce, and property rights from ALL women in the U.S.
Hey , thye arent fundamentalist christians ..
Once we leave them alone I dont thik they will care what we do over here.
7) Establish censorship control of ALL media.
No just sell it to Rupert Murdoch and make all news Faux news.
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huey8882 years ago
I thought Chemical Ali was killed in an airstike back in the beginning of April 2003 in Basra. You can google several reports on this. I dont ever recalling him being captured.
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Teagen2 years ago
He's only been found guilty for the 130,000 Kurds. He's responsible for the thousands of dead Iranians from the gas attacks in during the Iran/Iraq War. While I can't stand the Iranian nazi party running Iran, I think they should have a go at him too. You'll find their idea of trial and punishment much worse.
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