An examination of Bush fascism »
Posted By engineer 1 year, 11 months ago in NewsThe expansion of democracy in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries intensified the antidemocratic reaction of conservative authoritarianism. Starting first in Italy as an antidemocratic and antisocialist movement after WWI, fascism is in essence the twentieth century version of age old tendencies in politics.
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engineer1 year, 11 months ago
This article basically shows how we are losing our democracy through th new Fascism in our administration.
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not2needy1 year, 11 months ago
That was the Bush plan in 2000, and if the truth was known, it may have been the plan of Bush Sr, but he didn't get a second chance.
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quackpot1 year, 11 months ago
--The only redistribution of income that has occurred during the Bush years has been to give the ultra-rich even more.
--The major change in health care that has occurred during the Bush administration has medicare part-D, the plan designed to greatly increase phamaceutical company profits while slightly improving health care for some of the elderly.
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eugenegerard1 year, 11 months ago
The redistribution of wealth in this country has quit effectively been done by the corporatists. When one CEO gets 700 million as compensation for a stock sale you have a lot of chutspah to be talking about socialism being bad. When 50 million people in this country don't have health care and the other 270 million are going broke trying to pay for it your value system deserves quite a bit of criticism.
Bush has instituted a corporatist system with no checks and balances on it. That my friend is FASCISM. Millions of Americans fought and died in WWII to stop this idealogy.
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libsRfunny1 year, 11 months ago
"Clearly he doesn't have a clue."
Of course the idiot author hasn't a clue. Mussolini was a SOCIALIST. Hitler was a National SOCIALIST. Franco was a SOCIALIST. The former Soviet Union was the United Soviet SOCIALIST Republic.
But, per usual, many of the Netscape "learned" are all too willing to buy into historical revisionism and pure propaganda.
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Twistoflex1 year, 11 months ago
Repugnants are, well, repugnant. The Dumbya dictatorship has many Repugnant (and some Democrap) aiders and abetters in Congress who have trashed the Constitution with equal blithe. The Bush crime family has stacked the courts with Federalists who can scarcely conceal their contempt for Constitutional checks and balances.
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HistoricallyCorrect1 year, 11 months ago
What's absolutely unbelievable is how far this country has actually regressed since mid-century! From our current perspective, Roosevelt's nation of public works and government assistance would look like the USSR to many Americans today. One cannot comprehend the damage these people have done unless they look back at what we once had.
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FSU92grad1 year, 11 months ago
THis is the REAL enemy were dealing with, not Bush....
This video clip was from Al-Jazeera television, not Fox...Listen to what a muslim woman has to say about who the REAL enemy is...Talk about a risky interview...
We're fighting a religious war and contrary to what the whacko lefties believe, Bush and America is not the enemy..
http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&a...
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mumma-b1 year, 11 months ago
America is not and never has been a 'DEMOCRACY'
the term democracy is used by your government to make you the people believe that decisions are being made with more than 50% of the people behind them, the reality is that America has a Federal Government which should mean that everyperson has a say.
Democracy is not good, it means that 50% people who
VOTE make the decisions for ALL the people, which leaves all those who can not get to vote, can not read, or don't understand without a voice.
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NoSpinDave1 year, 11 months ago
Libscape circle-jerk wack job liberal article of the day. Put the bongs donw and get some new material guys....seriously. Its just getting old and lame at this point.
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richjmc1 year, 11 months ago
So your life has changed so dramatically since Bush became president? Give me a break!!
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00EyesOnly001 year, 11 months ago
Talk about absurd!
This Administration, whether you like it or not, is NOT in control of this Country in a FASCIST manner, nor does it control its media. The opposition party commands BOTH house of the legislature, and obviously, the news media and entertainment industry are in agreement.
FASCISM? You complete morons! The President can hardly keep his troops in the field in Iraq because of the Democratic opposition to his policies, whether you like those oddballs of the Left or not.
Democracy in this country is not in danger from the Right--but, clearly, the Liars of the Left would spread any untruth to get you to believe it.
Open your eyes. There's no fascism here.
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gamahuche1 year, 11 months ago
"The hallmark of fascism is a merging of state and corporate power coupled with the transfer of power from the individual to the government and corporate elite. It is for this reason that liberals as a whole must be purged or at the very least, marginalized. Taking a look at the liberal achievements of the past century reveals a common theme. The civil rights movement, equal rights movement, free speech movement, environmental movement, the labor movement, and others all have one thing in common: They put power in the hands of the individual. This is incompatible with the fascist ideal of the transfer of power to the state elite and the individual serving as the raw material for the state machine to function on. Most often, fascist propaganda places the lump sum of the blame for a nations troubles on the shoulders of the liberals. It's worth noting that in Nazi Germany the communists, labor organizers, and liberals were purged before the gays, Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals."
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gamahuche1 year, 11 months ago
"True democracy holds respect for all views, left and right, and all citizens are allowed a political voice free from persecution for their political views. The United States' slide towards fascism began with the elimination of the far left from the political dialogue. To date, the socialist and communist factions of our society have been all but silenced, and currently even the most timid of liberalism has been demonized. The only recognizable elements of our current political discourse are the centrists and the extreme far right. The philosophy of truly liberal democrats such as Dennis Kucinich and the deceased Paul Wellstone exists now on the fringe of American politics. This comes in sharp contrast to the time when the American communist party inflamed workers to form labor unions and worker protections and ideas such as the Social Security program were adopted from the Socialist party platform. "
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scriblerus11 year, 11 months ago
Terrific post, engineer! And great comment, gamahuche! I posted the following story to try and get our American fascists to see themselves in the mirror of Mein Kampf:
http://politics.netscape.com/story/2007/07/23/m...
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star531 year, 11 months ago
the liberals in 1940 & 1950 are not the same liberals now -for example JFK lower taxes- the lib now want to raise tax -JFK wanted prayer in schools-Truman would be a war monger today- I was a dem in 1960 but now with abortion-high taxes and more power to the gov. i didn't change as much as the dems party
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Thinker221 year, 11 months ago
Different groups use the word "Fascism" to smear their opponents. The tactic is effective considering the inevitable association with the horrors of Nazism. Few people notice, however, that for this smearing tactic to work one has first to modify the definition of Fascism in order to fit his/her smearing needs. It is ironic that by combining several such definitions of Fascism one will discover that Fascism covers every existing social arrangement with the possible exception of Anarchism, however, there are no stable Anarchic societies I know of.
It seems that for the author of the referred article, there are three possible types of society: Fascism, Dictatorship and Anarchism (the latter being an unstable one that quickly evoles into one of the other two varieties).
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evolute501 year, 11 months ago
Whether you copped that from somewhere, which is appears, or said it yourself, it is well composed.
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Klarissa1 year, 11 months ago
The government is in charge of civil rights - tells kids where to go to school. The government had dictated where to spend money on school campuses, The environmental "movement" is a huge government department. The labor movement had Congress trying to take away secret ballots in labor voting. The free speech movement is under duress because the democrats want to silence radio commentators. I don't see where power was given to the individual, it was taken away.
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00EyesOnly001 year, 11 months ago
"Most often, fascist propaganda places the lump sum of the blame for a nations troubles on the shoulders of the liberals..."
This is interesting, in that the incursions upon Liberty historically have been on the Left, and that fear is tangible. Leftists throughtout history have thumped their shoe on the desk of discourse, drowning out discussion, crying out for a brotherhood of man that always--ALWAYS--becomes a dictatorship of the proletariat that demands an equality that leaves EVERYONE WITH NOTHING.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 11 months ago
The voices of American fascism have demonized the left and the moderates. They have falsely defined the moderates as liberals shifting the spectrum of political dialog to the far right. This makes their extremist intolerant policies seem less fanatic to their troglodyte lemming followers. How many of these qualities that all fascist states share has the U.S. aquired?
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 11 months ago
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
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scriblerus11 year, 11 months ago
Great posting, Radio! One should also compare Umberto Eco's list--Eternal Fascism:
http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt...
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Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with critical attitudes. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Hermann Goering's fondness for a phrase from a Hanns Johst play ("When I hear the word 'culture' I reach for my gun") to the frequent use of such expressions as "degenerate intellectuals," "eggheads," "effete snobs," and "universities are nests of reds." The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having betrayed traditional values.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 11 months ago
Let's get rid of ALL flags. Henceforth, no flags are allowed anywhere at anytime. Anyone caught with a flag is a fascist.
No flag means no pledge of allegiance. No national anthem either! Fascism!!!
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StarLord1 year, 11 months ago
There's also the issue in which America's committment to free trade is one-sided - US goods must be allowed anywhere, but no foreign goods in America except at tarriffs of at least 50%.
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texangelwings1 year, 11 months ago
Great find, engineer! This article is on target with what is happening to America, "land of the free and home of the brave"! Americans are going to have to figure out what is happening and find their 'brave' willingness to fight to retrieve our Democracy!
The quest for wealth and material things by a few, has always been the downfall of great nations. The pharohs accummulated wealth and things to be buried with them for the after life, now found on display in museums.
America's wakeup call is here and now!
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 11 months ago
Who said this?
The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of our nation rests. It will offer strong protection to Christianity as the very basis of our collective morality. Today Christians stand at the head of our country. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press -- in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of LIBERAL excess during the past years.
-- Adolf Hitler from The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1, Michael Hakeem, Ph.D. (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pp. 871-872.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 11 months ago
Good heavens! If Adolf Hitler supported Christianity, it just has to be evil.
Time to line up the Christians her in the U.S. and either deport them, deprogram them, or decapitate them. Evil fascists!
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lvrofwolves1 year, 11 months ago
I'm just going to randomly throw things out here. Mind a bit cluttered today.
People say that we gave al-Qaeda a gift of sorts when we went to Iraq. Was it this administration who recieved the biggest gift? when al-Qaeda attacked the WTCs ????
And what about the illegal immigrant problem, are we being used to whip up a nazi like frenzy against a foreign 'invader'?? build the wall, ship them out, jail them, some say shoot them.
I love America, but I also enjoy other cultures to much to have the globe become 'Americanized'
Went to Dachau last year in Germany, so asking for directions, we were told..'you come up to a McDonalds and turn right, you'll see a big sign Dachau' now imagine if America became a 'nazi' country? I know..McDonalds a small blirp in the scheme of things, but it is a process, do you honestly believe that the rest of the world is going to go peacefully? Doesn't everyone want world peace??
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Goppy1 year, 11 months ago
I think all you liberals are goin overboard.
We Christian Conservatives dont want fasism.
We just want to establish a Christian nation based on Southern Baptist values and morals. We believe that God wanted this. And since we are born again saved, we have a unique understandin bout what God wants.
We also believe that its our duty to spread the words of the Bible, which we done reinterpreted to merge with our political beliefs. That means we needs a very, very powerful military so that we can spread the 'Good News' bout our special and unique understandin with God.
If you only would let us implement our fundamentalist vision of Jesus in a politican framework- youd really like it.
I dont think itd be like fasism at all. Itd be like Bush, cheney, Kalr Rove, Scooter LIbby, Don Rumsfeld, and Condi - havin complete control - with no oversight, and not havin to answer to no one!
Wounded that be grate?
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engineer1 year, 11 months ago
This country is supposed to be a Democracy, not a Christian, Islamic, Buddhist, Jewish, etc. state. This country was founded on the principle that people could, should and would follow their own beliefs. Unfortunately, there are individuals like yourself and the fanatical Muslims who see only their side and are too narrow minded to see another point of view. I would suggest that you study a lot of religions, go to their places of worship and learn what they are about. Take a course or two in comparative religion and each of the other religions you know nothing about. In short, open your eyes!
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Goppy1 year, 11 months ago
Now wait just a minuet Blarggy! I dont go round accusin you of somethin you aint! Ill have you know, Im the biggest fan of Goerge W. Bush youll ever find.
I tells everbody hes the best presdient of this century. And I been sayin that for a long time. That right there should prove beyond any reasonable doubt that Ima bona fide Christian Conservative!!
And I dont even know what a Radio Free Europe is other than a radio station. And is ricky dawkins that basketball playa?
cheese and crackers, blargy!
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gamahuche1 year, 11 months ago
Come on out and play Cherev! You're bold enough to sink the story and insert your little negative votes liberally - lets hear your OPINION! We can't all jump you at the same time.
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lvrofwolves1 year, 11 months ago
Don't forget, there were holocaust deniers all along, and some who even before being hung, their last words 'Heil Hitler'
People who thought what they were doing was for the good of humanity, and they thought they were doing good at protecting their people.
There will be some here as well who will support Bush administration to their death, and deny any parallels to a fascist state.
I wonder how that can be???
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2sidestoeverything1 year, 11 months ago
Great submission engineer and many of the post were good as well thanks everyone.
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scriblerus11 year, 11 months ago
I got in very late on a thread posted by david nwpa concerning a German historian's wish to republish Mein Kampf. I will repost my comment here:
A great contemporary writer, Chris Hedges discusses how when a war starts, a nation must first destroy its collective memory, its culture. Hitler used the defeat of Germany and the Treaty of Versailles as a catalyst to destroy Germany's culture and replace it with the fiction, the myth of the Aryan race.
Mein Kampf is one of the tools Hitler used in that process of destruction and re-creation. As such, I believe students everywhere should read this book and study it in connection with its historical context.
Nazism is not a problem peculiar to a particular time and place. It can happen anywhere given the right set of social chemicals. Indeed, I believe fascism is growing in the U.S. as we speak.
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scriblerus11 year, 11 months ago
Let me go back and correct myself just a little. Nazism is peculiar to the Germany of the 1920s thru 1945. But Nazism is a particular expression of fascism, which can happen anywhere. As Henry Wallace and Sinclair Lewis have said, when fascism comes to America, it will come wearing American clothing, speaking in an American idiom. It will creep in unnoticed, and it is creeping in.
We are now involved--make no mistake--in a war against fascism in this country. Just as an experiment, read Mein Kampf and see if you see what I see there. I see the unmistakable blame-the-liberals game in MK. Change "Jews" to "liberals" and "Germany" to "America," and it becomes all too clear. It could be Anne Coulter or Rush Limbaugh or Neil Boortz blaming the liberals and the homo sexuals for all of America's problems.
Who is destroying America's collective memory with revisionist history? (continued)
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deathray1 year, 11 months ago
Read my response to you the last time you said that on this thread.
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scott42611 year, 11 months ago
True, but does that mean the president has the right to p**s on the Constitution?
I think not!
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studentambassador1 year, 11 months ago
'The United States is not a democracy. It is a republic.'
A republic is a form of government maintained by a state or country whose sovereignty is based on popular consent and whose governance is based on popular representation and control.
A democracy is a form of government that emphasizes the importance of the individual in the context of government.
Now, if a republic is based on popular representation, that would imply that a republic also emphasizes the importance of the individual in the context of government, wouldn't it? So, it would not be a poor statement to make that a republic is one of the myriad forms of democracy, would it?
Democracy is not really a particular form of government. It's more like a set of principles or a generic term used to describe types of government. Unless I'm mistaken, I believe North Korea's constitution states it is a democracy, when we consider it a dictatorship.
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AmericanIdiot1 year, 11 months ago
Bush rules by Executive Orders and National Emergency.
Executive Order 12919 is the basic National Emergency regulation
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Esta...
I have found only one instance of Bush declaring an end to the National Emergency, Executive Order 13550, of July 30, 2004, which terminated a National Emergency declared in Executive Orders 12722, 12274 (August 9, 1990), 12734 (Nov. 14,1990), 12743 (Jan. 18, 1991), 12751 (Feb. 14, 1991), and EO 12817 (Oct. 21, 1992).
http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/a...
National Emergency has returned!
Executive Order 13159
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/06...
"NOTE: Continuation of the National Emergency with respect to the risk of Nuclear Proliferation created by the accumulation of weapons-usable fissile material in the territory of the Russian Federation."
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AmericanIdiot1 year, 11 months ago
People complain about a "do-nothing Congress" - I am amazed they are allowed to even sit in their seats! Under EO 12919, when the President or Executive proclaims a National Emergency, broad dictatorial powers are available. This is most likely the vaunted "Executive Privelige". If I understand correctly, NSPD 51 automatically sets in motion Continuity of Government plans in the event of any substantial attack on the Homeland, or in case of riots and insurrections, and a variety of other circumstances.
National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05...
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postchristianera1 year, 11 months ago
"When facism comes to America it will be clothed in the flag and carrying the cross" (Sinclair Lewis)
Hey its here and flourishing
my new motto is Supporting our troops Equals supporting the mission
I do not support the mission..therefore
Our present military volunteers are cheap labor to be exploited for corporate gain under the guise of patriotism
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4mogger1 year, 11 months ago
On the contrary it has been very expensive to train me. I joined the Army at age 28 with my Bachelors and an IQ of 142.
You, on the other hand, consume every kind of liberal crap the media vomits.
The troops want Victory in Iraq, want to follow terrorists wherever they retreat, want to eliminate the enemy. You do not support the troops. You support defeat. The only way to defeat America is to allow the spineless liberals to control policy. You are worse than the enemy. You oppose the mission, and our troops.
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4mogger1 year, 11 months ago
Comparing Bush to Hitler is petty and childlike.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Adolf Hitler have far more in common.
Comparing Bush to Sir Winston Churchill....now that is more appropriate.
Failing to recognize a threat is dumb. Forcing those of us who have the will to confront the threat to stand by and watch it develop...that is criminal.
I am a soldier, and my opinion has been earned. Where did you get yours? NBC?
So far, Giuliani is the only qualified candidate for President for one simple reason...He gets it. There is no more United States if we fail to continually confront Islamic Extremists. We will never "win" that war because the Enemy has our own liberal press as their co-conspirators...but any current Dem. candidate will guarantee defeat. If Al Qaeda had a vote, Hillary Clinton and Hussein Obama would be president and VP.
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Goppy1 year, 11 months ago
Oh, you are so braaave!.
You earned your opinion! Wow!
Thats really really gud! And that opinion is so - ah - inspirattional.
I commend you for your hatred sir!! My cousin was in teh military. he too was full of a seething hatred that worked for him really well in combat.
Then he came home and kilt his wife. He sorta lost perspective. But that wont happen to you. I can tell you is really, really well balanced in your perspective.
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quackpot1 year, 11 months ago
Good point 4mogger.
Giuliani is the only one that truly understands the power of the 1000-plus Al-Qaida-Iraq members. Giuliani is the only one that is able to lift this rabble to the elevation of a political slogan.
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bongy3371 year, 11 months ago
Bush and the Repugs really love the troops also.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070723/ap_on_go_ca...
What does he and Cheney have to worry about since reaping untold millions for themselves and their cronies.
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jovial1 year, 11 months ago
A remarkable testament to our present government and the way in which we should see it. Thanks.
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sheltercrow1 year, 11 months ago
Capitalism by its very nature is antithetical to Democracy and Freedom. A society such as ours, dominated by corporations, is essentially fascist like it or not. Not to see the obvious is sheer stupidity.
The economy is based on capitalism, with a tight central control of the distribution of resources among the producers, and strict limitations on the free market for labor.
Power of corporations protected: Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of "have-not" citizens.
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Theo_ll1 year, 11 months ago
I am simply amazed at how much George Bush has. The power to declare war, invoke fascism, take away your rights and so much more...maybe he is the messiah...the annointed one. Good thing we have a two party system otherwise we be doomed.
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amazed1 year, 11 months ago
((True democracy holds respect for all views, left and right, and all citizens are allowed a political voice free from persecution for their political views. The United States' slide towards fascism began with the elimination of the far left from the political dialogue. To date, the socialist and communist factions of our society have been all but silenced, and currently even the most timid of liberalism has been demonized))
Funny, but it seems to me that the left is doing a pretty fair job of demonizing, marginalizing and belittling anyone to the the right of themselves. And it seems to me, that I learned in the class I took many, many years ago on the rise of fascism, that one of the first rights to get trampled is the right of free speech, especially criticizing the gov't. Now, it seems to me, that you guys on the left are pretty well able to criticize the gov't, the President and anyone else in power with impunity.
If we were so fascist, netscape would be shut down.
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walden31 year, 11 months ago
"but it seems to me that the left is doing a pretty fair job of demonizing, marginalizing and belittling anyone"
sounds like talk radio to me or cable for that matter. bill o'reilly, rush, malkin, coulter, beck, sustern, savage, scarborough.
look at what happened to dan rather. the substance of the story was correct, but the republicans take to the airwaves and employ all the lemmings to call up and get a 30 year newsman fired. the story was still correct about GWB getting preferential treatment to get into the TANG.
bill o'reilly lies and fabricates ever night. how come he hasn't been fired?
if the media was liberal we wouldn't be in iraq now. even the NYT carried water for the administration.
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dglspres1 year, 11 months ago
what a bunch of CRAP....Complain because corporations that give you your job makes money .. Bet you would love it if it was your company .... and then the "it's Bush" thing again ... come on Demo's for once sit down and listen to the crap you are preaching ... then listen to see if there is any COMMON SENSE to it.... What a bunch of CRAP
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sheltercrow1 year, 11 months ago
For Mr 4mogger
Because age-based quotients only worked for children, it was replaced by a projection of the measured rank on the Gaussian bell curve with a center value (average IQ) of 100, and a standard deviation of 15 or occasionally 16 or 24. Thus the modern version of the IQ is a mathematical transformation of a raw score (based on the rank of that score in a normalization sample... ), which is the primary result of an IQ test.
In addition, IQ tests... were not intended to reliably discriminate much beyond IQ 130, as they simply do not contain enough exceptionally difficult items.
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