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  tiredofwhiners

  Aug. 3, 2007, 7:10 a.m.

  Amazing how one man can affect national security so much. On another day and in a different mood he might have ruled differently. Or another juge may have ruled opposite. Certainly my common sense would not let me rule as he did. I don't think some of these judges live in the real world.

  How about we move our routing nodes to a foreign country like the UK or maybe Toronto, Canada. If we did, then the judge would be responsible for a multi million dollar expense based on a stupid technicality.

  They can wiretap me and monitor my emails to their heart's content. It would be a huge waste of time and boring too.
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  Dsmal

  Aug. 3, 2007, 8:14 a.m.

  Another example of loopy left-wing judges turning justice upside down. What really appalls me is the Left Wing's absolute faith that: 1. George Bush wants to spy on ordinary Americans; 2. That the rights of American citizens should be extended to anyone in our gunsites, no matter what they might be planning against us;
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  Charlson

  Aug. 3, 2007, 8:26 a.m.

  I support the use of every technological tool in our arsenal to combat the threat of terrorism. Intercepting communications between suspected terrorists in foreign countries is what our CIA and other intelligence agencies do for our national security.

  But just don't infringe on my rights as a citizen of the United States of America by invading my privacy with warrant-less wiretapping unless I give you a reason to be suspicious of me.

  So pass a law to address that specific issue and don't go on a fishing expedition and expand it to include US citizens who aren't suspected of being involved with terrorism.

  I got nothing to hide except my privacy. And I will defend that right to privacy.
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  mr-thoughtful

  Aug. 3, 2007, 8:32 a.m.

  You people are insane! This is yet another example of executive power that will not stand the scrutiny of a court of law--even a secret court that exists just to hear cases of this nature--if this provision was struck down, it must of represented a massive increase in the power of government beyond those approved by law.

  I greatly fear that the object of executive scrutiny is not terrorists per se, but the sources journalists use to write about foreign affairs and administration policy.

  If the US wants to be safer, we can start by being a better player in world community. Even the Jews threw their stones at Rome.
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  DoerNotASayer

  Aug. 3, 2007, 8:55 a.m.

  "A federal intelligence court judge earlier this year secretly declared a key element of the Bush administration's wiretapping efforts illegal"

  DUH!!!!!!!!!
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  7734

  Aug. 3, 2007, 9:30 a.m.

  First, if the calls originated from outside the US then the caller is presumed to be a non-US citizen until such time as it is determined the caller is a US citizen. At which time the listening activity must stop unless there is a known illegal activity and the FISA or criminal courts have authorized the activity. Operative word here....non-US!

  Just because it comes through a US node why would this idiot judge determine we can't listen in?
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  cheif

  Aug. 3, 2007, 9:39 a.m.

  The only person who would honestly be afraid of the government listening in on their phone conversations would be the person who has something to hide. If you're not doing anything wrong, why would you object to the government having the ability to catch criminals prior to their mass murder of people like you? It sounds like you're invoking the right to be stupid to a degree that doesn't make real sense.

  IF YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG - STOP. IF YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG, WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR WORRY? Jesus.....I

  worry sometimes about the actions of idiots...have we inbred THAT much in America?
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  7734

  Aug. 3, 2007, 9:58 a.m.

  Exactly my philosophy. Who cares if you aren't doing anything wrong. Besides, if they listen in on my conversations they are liable to get their minds warped with common sense.
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  7734

  Aug. 3, 2007, 10:55 a.m.

  Yeah, yeah. Have that written on the wall overlooking my rifles, pistols, and Harley. Where is it that you are giving up one iota of essential liberty? Got news for you Doer.....govs been listening in on our conversations for as long as there has been electronic communications. As I said before, let'em listen. All they can get is some commen sense. 'Cause there ain't a whole lot of it with the current government - Dems and Reps.
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  7734

  Aug. 3, 2007, 11:18 a.m.

  Hell, those f---s use the same methods to listen in on each other. Give me a break. The whole thing hinges on there being a criminal (terrorist) act being planned and activities of terrorism being discussed. First thing I say when I use the phone is say "Hey you f---s, hope you get an ear full" and go on with my conversation. So, for the last, oh, 60 years, I have yet to be dragged in off the streets and questioned about any damned thing I said on the phone. ONCE AGAIN: If the calls originate from outside the US then the calls are PRESUMED to be NON-US PERSONS. So who cares if we (US GOV) listens in on them. If they are known to be US PERSONS then they should be and are treated as such. What the hell is you all's problem with that? The idiot judge who decided that calls originationg outside the US can not be tapped is probably cashing three checks....one from the Fed Gov, one from the Dem party, and one from a foreign gov (pick one that is Muslim).
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  cleare

  Aug. 3, 2007, 1:18 p.m.

  i can't believe there are some of you out there still making excuses for the dastardly bush administration.

  again and again it is determined by the judiciary that they are violating the law and the apologists say they either don't care about their rights under the law or that the presidency is above the law, or that god trumps law.

  lame, lamer, lamest...pathetic excuses.
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  7734

  Aug. 3, 2007, 1:32 p.m.

  cleare: you know as well as anyone that the judiciary changes it's view and legal opinions as often as the country changes it's presidents. Give me a break. That is the one thing that makes the constitution such a valueable and amazing document. It can be, and often is, interpreted differently with each new sitting. Next year there will just as likely be a ruling that absolutely no wiretapping is legal under any circumstances. And wouldn't that be a field day for the criminals, terrorist, and liberals.
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  7734

  Aug. 3, 2007, 1:35 p.m.

  And then we can all go happily about our daily lives with no fears of anyone in the world wishing us ill or wanting to harm us. (:-)) My, what a wonderful world.
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  7734

  Aug. 3, 2007, 1:40 p.m.

  Well, that would be just an Allah be blessed world wouln't it?
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  7734

  Aug. 3, 2007, 1:48 p.m.

  Listen, I don't agree with everything that is going in our government not matter the political affiiation. But I do think that somewhere we have to decide just how much we are not going to do in order to protect our nation and our people. We all know that radical Islamists want to kill all infidels (read AMERICAN). In order to find and defeat these raving lunatics there are some things that must be done. One is wiretapping to determine if that individual is engaged in nefarious acitivies to the end of killing Americans or others in the name of their radical version of Islam.

  I simply don't give a damn if the gov is listening in on my conversations. I just hope they don't have virgin ears. Not that I give a damn about that either.
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  7734

  Aug. 3, 2007, 2:51 p.m.

  Ok, will agree to a certain point. If it is within the US then non of their business.......unless of course you are plotting to fly a plane into a building, or blow up a dam, or poison a water supply, or attack US Citizens on their own soil. What about then? How do we stop that activity if we can't listen?
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  BravoSierra

  Aug. 3, 2007, 6:49 p.m.

  Bush has talked for his tenure about the need to establish democracy and the rule of law on places like Iraq. Yet, he flagrantly breaks the law in the US and establishes the precedents for depriving us of our democracy. He should have been impeached long ago. He has committed crimes against the US Constitution, violated his Oath of Office and have violated our trust. We the PEOPLE need to take control back by voting out of office every Republican who has rubber-stamped Bush's illegal activities and incompetence.
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  Aotearoa

  Aug. 3, 2007, 8:57 p.m.

  One thing king george's inner circle must understand- there is a Constitutional rule of law that governs America . Not even the executive branch is higher than the Law. What is the use of having a Constitution if you are going to make up rules and policies ( in secret mite I add) without going through correct procedures. This administration's total disregard for the law is amazing since America is supposed to be a democrazy.

  I'v noticed how king george always connects his illegal policies with war on terror and it's always after he gets caught. He then turns around and accuse the whistle blower of revealing top secret Fahhhh....and you still have Americans blindly follow the "monkey in a suit" Lol!!!

  Leve leva e malanga kae tau

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