Poll: Civilian Death Toll In Iraq May Top 1 Million »
Posted By TimALoftis 1 year, 9 months ago in NewsORB said it drew its conclusion from responses to the question about those living under one roof: "How many members of your household, if any, have died as a result of the conflict in Iraq since 2003?"
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injest1 year, 9 months ago
The actual question and the breakdown without the spin
http://www.opinion.co.uk/index.aspx
QHow many members of your household, if any, have died as a result of the conflict in Iraq since 2003
None 78%
One 16%
Two 5%
Three 1%
Four or more 0.002%
Given that from the 2005 census there are a total of 4,050,597 households this data suggests a total of 1,220,580 deaths since the invasion in 2003.
Extrapolations are not a good measure for this kind of thing.
Example, the 1992 LA Riots, 50 to 60 dead, 2000 injured, 3600 fires were set, destroying 1,100 buildings.
Using Extrapolations assumes the same thing occurred in every city north to south east to west in the USA with similar results based on population. Guess what, that didn't happen. A much better way is to count actual numbers.
Anti war site Iraq body count puts the numbers at 72K â;; 78K.
BTW why would someone use extrapolations when actual numbers are available?
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NelsonR1 year, 9 months ago
Our dysfunctional government under Bush said in his speech the Iraqi desire our presence. The liar, most Iraqi's want us out and Bush knows it yet the majority illiterate American, who doesn't know where Malta is, accepts Bush as their Commander in Chief.
Allow the average American to live like an Iraqi for just one day and maybe sanity will prevail but for now I must accept the Roman empire falling into the backwaters of a Louisiana swamp.
Bush is Satan and the antichrist religions speak of.
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possum77691 year, 9 months ago
Look at it like this. In the timeframe of the German Nazi regime,circa 1933-1945; (and I use the word "German" to differentiate from the current nazi regime,although it is a continuation of the same, just simply on American soil.), was not just six million jews,but 20 million russians, and untold ethnic cleansing throughout Europe.
The loss of life that can be attributed to the same family and players continues till this day.
I say that the current amerikan nazi regime has killed far more than just 1 million Iraqis,just look at all our covert wars and regime changes that have resulted in untold lives lost,and decades of time being wasted until those various countries(and there are many!) were able to be a going concern again. (Drinking a tost to Senor Allende.)
Wake up to what is happenning.
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dwemm1 year, 9 months ago
Wait-you're not including the numbers of resistance fighters throuout Europe (call em "insurgents"), bombing victims in all the countries involved, such as the citizens of Dresden and London and Nagasaki. Non-military casualties are always the hardest to track. I tend to say that the number is probably close to the truth. Certainly more than the 12,000 Iraqi civilians that the administration admits to must have died for no reason.
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dhamilton691 year, 9 months ago
The problem is the source..... This article has been proven wrong, however, you pin heads don't want to see it. As long as it supports your hatered of the US and supports the enemies of this country. If this is not true, then tell my why there is absolutely no difference between what you are saying the Bin Laden or anyother of our enemies????
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DRK11 year, 9 months ago
injest:
does your 72 to 78 thousand dead include deaths due directly to our destruction of their infrastructure?
1.deaths due to illness caused by lack of potable water and a destroyed sewer system.
2.destruction of their power system--110 degree heat with no water or cooling system.
3.lack of medical personnel and supplies to treat wounded and the sick.
we could go on but I think you get my point.
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53vortec1 year, 9 months ago
What complete and utter claptrap.
With those figures, that would indicate an average of over 600 civilian deaths per day since the start of the war.
Just how is it you folks believe that this number could be amassed? Our troops' aim isn't that bad. I saw a number of times where US and coalition forces put their own safety at risk to prevent the injury of innocents.
Your opinions about the current administration aside, to believe that our soldiers on the ground are either that incompetent or that cruel is ridiculous.
FWIW, the only innocent Iraqis I knew that were killed during the war died at the hands of terrorists.
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MiraJane1 year, 9 months ago
I can't believe this.
Instead of focusing on the fact that the death toll of Iraqi civilians has reached horrorific numbers, people here are leaving comments bashing the methodology of gathering the number of the dead.
Guess what?
IT DOESN'T MATTER how the body count was done.
IT IS TOO MANY DEAD, STUPID.
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capecoralM1 year, 9 months ago
Are the deaths of innocent people unjustly being blamed on the US troops? Should the fact that terrorist suicide bombers, insurgents, and ethnic cleansing accounts for a majority of the deaths be blamed on the troops.
Where the hell were all the people pointing out the tragic deaths of Iraqi civilians when Saddam was filling mass graves with as many as 500,000 Children, women and men? Oh yea they were supporting Clinton and all of the Democrat(ic)s who were saying the EXACT same thing as Bush administration officials did about Saddam and passing the Iraq Liberation Act calling for the removal of Saddam. They were supporting Clinton who was planning his own invasion. And now that Bush actually did what they ALL talked about throughout the 1990's they all say "Bush lied".
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
So called civilized world should be ashamed of the uncivilized behavior of their leaders. Is civilized world means killing millions of people for 3000 deaths? They supposed to have been killed by 19 people who happened to be Muslims and all of them died in that attack. The only proof is the concocted evidence of the intelligent agencies which is funded by the government to carry out terrorist activities throughout the world. This is not the civilized world, this should be called uncivilized pol pot's world. The Western world cannot be called civilized world, because they promote corruption and unrest around the world for world dominance under the pretext of freedom and Democracy.
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sotiris-k1 year, 9 months ago
Are you proud you find yourself joking about the accuracy of the rough anyway study when you very well know that over 4000 coalition soldiers have sacrified their lives,28000 have been wounded some of whom with implications that will bravely carry and try to overcome with inner strength and the help of loved ones for the rest of their lives? You immediately can deduce from that that the iraqis are 5 times over that in just their security/army forces (if you pay attention to the news and documentaries).Their wounded will be of a higher probability to die due to worse medical care . Just their security forces therefore will be over 20000 deaths (those are bare minimums lower possible limits) . Now how many times in the past 1640 days you have heard that 100 people died in an explosion or 50 died in one city while 30 died in another the very same day. I have seen numbers that bring the civilian deaths to several thousands per month. The US soldiers deaths are about 3.26 per day this year.
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AnteUp1 year, 9 months ago
unome2 ~
Well, I can't buy that - he's a newbie to Neoconservatism -
and frankly I don't think he is bright enough. They say
he is an uncomplicated guy.....unscrupulous even as Governor of Texas, yes - but I can't imagine him capable of the long range planning that would have needed.
But Cheney, Richard Perle, Rumsfeld, Cambone, Addington,
Eliot Abrams, Wolfowitz with the Neocon press to add
credibility..........There is absolutely NOTHING I would
put past them.
I don't know about WTC - but the Pentagon plane?
Go to WhatReallyHappened and search for the pictures.
I am stunned that so many intelligent people would stick
to a story that is completely unbelievable!
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thegemacogroup1 year, 9 months ago
umome2 - You my friend are truly SICK and anyone that beleaves that
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sotiris-k1 year, 9 months ago
Bush may have not knocked down the towers but he did knock down America and played the Bin Laden / oil company interests / China-India emergence unquestioned , technology-science abandonment game like the perfect traitor.
The good news is that he will be soon over. Just 10 months before the American nightmare is over, make sure, if you are a cold money hunter of opportunity, that you load up on long term nasdaq solid companies leaps and buy dollar futures because the eagle will be back once the day of treason sees its long awaited sunset... But if you are a lot more than that, a true patriot and citizen of the planet, start planning how the opportunity that will emerge will find in your hands a true creative force who will personally remind the world that in its original spirit America stands for real freedom, justice , scientific innovation and a hand for friendship to all mankind and its prosperity under the guidance of logic and the respect of individualism.
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zman1 year, 9 months ago
What a Legacy this President has - he's responsible for 1 million Iraqi citizens killed for what? We never should have gone there and how can we as true Americans allow the slaughter to continue on our watch. We cannot. We have put Iraq into a Civil War that may not end for many years - it is this presidents fault. What a putrid Legacy.
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Dionys1 year, 9 months ago
Despite all the proof and Bush admitting it once (when pressed), people still need to pretend Iraq had something to do with 9/11 in order to justify a million dead.
I wonder how many Saddam killed and how Bush's score measures up.
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unome21 year, 9 months ago
When I was a young man in school we would watch films on WW2 and the Holocaust and I would think how on earth did the German people allow their Government to commit such atrocities. What kind of false fear would drive sane man to accept this evil. How on Earth do people fall victim to inhumanity and genocide by their own leaders and do nothing.
Unfortunitely, Now I know.
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Aurinkohirvi1 year, 9 months ago
Did they show you the films of Western Allied death camps, where hundreds of thousands German civilians and POWs were killed?
Probably not. Because that was a tabo and the victors write the history. We did hear later that the Soviets annihilated Germans in their camps, but only now the news of western allied death camps have re-surfaced.
What do you think of the Germans now, after you find the Americans, British and French did the same? Though it is sad it happened, it's kind of good: now you must face the fact that the same terrible behavior happened both sides, and both sides were just human.
Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of 1.7 Million Germans
http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm
Was Ike Responsible for the Deaths of Hundreds of Thousands of German POW's?
http://hnn.us/articles/1266.html
Did the Allies Starve Millions of Germans?
http://www.serendipity.li/hr/bacque01.htm
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mrbeacon1 year, 9 months ago
I think the biggest mistake that many people are making here are expectations you're making of this foreign culture. Iraqis are not American or Western. Prior to the invasion of Iraq about 100 thousand people were ritualistically murdered in Iraq. We used Western words to describe these ritual murders before and after the invasion of Iraq. The Sunnis and Shiites are have a drawn out election tribal style war that was on going. The Americans come to liberate this election process? Now they are caught up with this socio-political ritual election process. Each American soldier costs a million dollars to train, use electronic surveillance software harden soldier positions automate the war machine. For each troop invest 10% ($100,000) on surveillance electronics. Save men money take 60% percent of your troops home and automate the rest. No need to shed your own blood. This is not callus, its just seeing this for what it is.
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mrbeacon1 year, 9 months ago
Actually the previous death per year in Iraq was 100 thousand per year! Not cumulative, but annually! Thus the death rate increased by about 20%. Besides the country had a dictator, despite this rule the tribal like warfare continued unabated. This faction process now has new players and the American have put in there own candidate for Mob ruler. Another interesting fact is that EU benefited greatly with the deal the UN worked out with Iraq 'oil for food program'. I believe the deal must be off. No wonder why European nations didn't support the war. Who wants to lose their cheap oil supply? Cleary it was not about to the US that was as important as it was to slow down EU economic growth.
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Locky121 year, 9 months ago
I really don't. War sucks but this war was necessary. Everybody thought so in the 1990's and in the run up to the war itself. Nobody wants to see a future of a peaceful Iraq that doesn't hate the United States. It's sad.
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sotiris-k1 year, 9 months ago
And you are forgetting that nations earn their democracies with their own blood and revolutions (US 1776 ,France 1789 Greece 1821 etc)not by having it imposed on them with invasions that cost the planet immense resources and people. This war was not needed. Sad as this is Saddam was providing a support to a system Bush carelessly released without planning, leading to chaotic violence. People that cannot rise up to a dictator to earn their freedom do not require the enforcement of democracy. And why? Because you see what is happening today. A mature culturally ready for democracy nation would take 1-2 years to fight each other and then realize their are victimizing their own future and the common democracy is more important than sectar dominance.
Threatening to leave iraq is not losing the war. It is in fact forcing them to culturally rise up to love their country. What kind of logic suggests that maintaining permanent long term presence to people that do not rise up works?
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NoWayMan1 year, 9 months ago
an ABC news poll found that 77% of all baghdad residents have a friend or family member who has been wounded or killed since 2003.
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mrbeacon1 year, 9 months ago
Actually the previous death per year in Iraq was 100 thousand per year! Not cumulative, but annually! Thus since the American the death rate increased by about 20%. Some times you have to crack a few eggs to make a omlette. Besides the country had a dictator, despite this rule the tribal like warfare continued unabated. This faction process now has new players and the American have put in there own candidate for Mob ruler. Another interesting fact is that EU benefited greatly with the deal the UN worked out with Iraq 'oil for food program'. I believe the deal must be off. No wonder why European nations didn't support the war. Who wants to lose their cheap oil supply? Cleary it was not about to the US gaining new oil that was as important as it was to slow down EU economic growth.
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Mutainia1 year, 9 months ago
Dionys.
You should read surah 60:9 and you will possibly realize, like I do, why the civilian death toll in Iraq may top 1 million. THAT is why there is this tragedy taking place. It's tragedy to us, but, for those who believe in going straight to a slothful brothel in Paradise if they are killed by those they perceive as infidels, well, maybe THIS is why Danish cartoons get protest and there is silence toward suicide bombs in civilian areas? I could be WRONG of course.
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guillermomckee1 year, 4 months ago
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