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  sinophil49

  Oct. 28, 2007, 4:23 a.m.

  I have not read this book and I probably will not buy it. It seems to be a more organized and coherent telling of the decision to use, utilization of, the cover up of and the aftermath of torture by US troops than just the random internet news reports or occasional newsprint reports. Just perusing the sample memos was sickening.

  I kept wondering if every time the words detainee, Iraqi, or Afghanistan were substituted by the words American soldier, how would our public react?
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  tiredofwhiners

  Oct. 28, 2007, 9:25 a.m.

  Re: "substituted": To you there's no difference between an American soldier and an anti-American Muslim Jihadist terrorist.
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  IceMage

  Oct. 28, 2007, 4:58 a.m.

  Scary stuff.
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  cahothoney

  Oct. 28, 2007, 5:45 a.m.

  I am sorry but i won't read it. I really don't care about that kinda crap unless it's about our troops, or our citizen's. I don't back a president or a party per say, but I do back america...period. i can't stand it when people bad mouth who ever is the president since it is not their fault the country is in a mess, it's been messed up for a long time, so it won't be fixed over night.
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  tiredofwhiners

  Oct. 28, 2007, 8:56 a.m.

  Didn't read it. Just another Bush bashing lib piece. Do you seriously think the majority of Americans give a whit about detention camps in a war? (except for our own being detained). Where were all the bleeding hearts when the Japanese, Germans and Italians were put into camps in WWII? How about Korea, Vietnam? What was going on there? Tehranchik sounds like a woman from Iran (Teheran). Go back there, you'll love it vs. America. Fight for your people over there who really need help.

  Utter trash!!!
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  tiredofwhiners

  Oct. 28, 2007, 9:02 a.m.

  Look at the good side. Our "torture", if the word gets out to them, will inhibit the terrorists, maybe just a little. Especially if we let it be known they will be smeared with pig fat and bacon forced down their throats if they don't give the correct information. As far as I'm concerned any torture we dish out is too good for them.
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  tiredofwhiners

  Oct. 28, 2007, 9:20 a.m.

  Good thing we have top rated TV and radio political analysts Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Hannity,And CNN's Dobson? (forgot his name)to counter the rubbish put out by the anti-American liberal media. I highly recommend them to all you misguided America haters.
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  tiredofwhiners

  Oct. 28, 2007, 9:37 a.m.

  I remember reading about the Japanese tortures of WWII. Bamboo splints pounded up fingernails, cigarettes put out in a GI's ear. Hanging them by their feet or hands. Then Stalin's sending people to concentration camps to work until they die with inadequate food. Sadaam's son feeding anyone he didn't like to his pet lions. The medieval "rack" torture. And others. Now that's torture.
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  mycountry

  Oct. 28, 2007, 9:49 a.m.

  In the early 90's, there was Desert Storm. We whipped Hussein in a conventional war in less that 100 days. Being good sports and a democratic country we accepted the cease fire instead of nailing Hussein. Over the next 12 years, Hussein stone-walled UN inspectors while driving truckoads of materials right past them. Not very sportsman-like. He also figured out you can't beat us in a conventional war, so he employed, sanctioned, bankrolled, encouraged, however you want to put it, some not so friendly people to repay our consideration with the 9/11 attacks. I don't he was the only one, but he was the most verbal. Now he's dead,something that could have been accomplished the first time. Now our enemy is strapping bombs to kids and blowing up schools, killing their OWN people! Irag could be turned into a sheet of glass and it still wouldn't make up for the loss of 1 American life. We use torture as a last resort to save lives, not as a form of entertainment, unlike our enemy.
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  gamahuche

  Oct. 28, 2007, 3:18 p.m.

  All I can say after reading the above comments is God Help America.

  Cushi and Thaw are the only recognisable members of the human species.

  The rest of you should get back to the jungle with the rest of the beasts.
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  bumbaklotartattack

  Oct. 28, 2007, 9:46 p.m.

  Poor Americans, how does it feel to live in a lie? You think you're so free, but you have to pay taxes on things you already paid for (mortgage, car registration, license, driver id), and not one dime goes back to you as reported in the grace commission report sponsored by reagan. You think you're so free, but your government openly wage wars based on lies. You think you're so free, but Congress and the WH have a 20% approval poll. You think you're free, but your electoral system kicks out negative votes and has proprietary software that no one can examine. You think you're free, but your government openly kills your own people with false flag operations such as pearl harbor, 911, mandatory vaccination programs, ruby ridge, waco, uss liberty, etc. And you call yourselves christians while you go to church on the first day of the week rather than the sabbath....

  Ah, freedom is slavery, 2 plus 2 equals 5.
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  NoWayMan

  Oct. 29, 2007, 4:36 a.m.

  once we condone torture, all our talk of our place on the moral high ground loses all of its legitamacy and becomes nothing more than hot air. and changing the defintion of torture so we can torture by another name isn't fooling anyone. you're simply lying to yourself if you think it is.

  and one of the main points this book lays out is this:

  torture doesn't work.

  in all the studies done by all the intel agencies (the FBI studies are highlighted in the book) they all say we get better information when we treat prisoners (or enemy combatants or whatever you want to call them) humanely. when we torture our enemies, all it does is reinforce the reasons why they hate us.

  and I find it alarming that we, as americans, are even having a discussion about if and when we should torture.

  we're simply better than that.

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