Romney Shouldn't Equate Mormons, Christians »
Posted By ZiegfeldGirl 1 year, 8 months ago in NewsAs Mitt Romney scours the South for endorsements from evangelical leaders, he is getting some unusual advice on how to explain his Mormon faith: Don't try to be one of us. ``I told him, you cannot equate Mormonism with Christianity; you cannot say, `I am a Christian just like you,''' said Representative Bob Inglis.
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ZiegfeldGirl1 year, 8 months ago
I think this is ridiculous. This is why religion should not be an issue when choosing a leader.
"My God is better than your God", puh-leeze!
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Bkumm1 year, 8 months ago
But, Zieg, my God IS better than your god. Duh. Where have you been for the last 2,000 years?
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Formidable1 year, 8 months ago
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Articles of Faith
We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
We believe that through the atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinancesof the Gospel.
We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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Formidable1 year, 8 months ago
We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer the ordinances thereof.
We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets , pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
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Formidable1 year, 8 months ago
We believe in the gift of tongues, prophesy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly, we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
We believe all that God has revealed, and that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
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Formidable1 year, 8 months ago
We believe in the literal gathering of Isreal and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built on the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
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Formidable1 year, 8 months ago
We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul--We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
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ZiegfeldGirl1 year, 8 months ago
One thing that irritates me about Mormons is their baptizing people who are deceased into their religion. Their Genealogy site is great, but when you know the purpose is to track down essentially EVERYONE so they can baptize them Mormon by proxy, it's really creepy.
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Formidable1 year, 8 months ago
Vicarious Baptism for the Dead: Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are able to be baptized vicariously (meaning in the place of, by proxy) for their ancestors who have passed away. This way the dead can choose to accept (or reject) the baptism that was done in their behalf. The Apostle Paul also taught about baptism for the dead:
"Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?" 1 Cor 15:29.)
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Formidable1 year, 8 months ago
Neo shouldn't you be out looking for some hairy ass to comfort yourself instead of negging the Mormon Creed?
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cherev1 year, 8 months ago
"hairy"???
I don't believe a prepubescent male could have one of those. Are you sure you didn't mean "wooly"?
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puffin1 year, 8 months ago
The idiot drove for 12 hours with his dog strapped to the roof of the car. When it crapped itself, he stopped to hose down the carrier & the dog, then got right back on the highway.
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ZiegfeldGirl1 year, 8 months ago
"Seeing the inside of the car is full, Romney absentmindedly says to himself, 'Where am I going to put ole Seamus here?' and hearing his name, the dog says, 'Roof, roof,'" said Llope."
Wow. That's pretty bad. Do people generally do that? I've never heard of such a thing. It's a station wagon, they couldn't leave space for the carrier in the back and put more of their crap up on the roof? Or let the dog lay across the laps of some of their boys? Poor Seamus!
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stephen-johnson1 year, 8 months ago
These religious tests are getting pretty old. People who impose them deserve what they get politically - which is usually nothing.
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crespi1 year, 8 months ago
You can equate Mormonism with FUNDAMENTALIST Christianity just fine...
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Dionys1 year, 8 months ago
I'm sorry but you cannot, if you take even a distant (or especially a close) look at Mormonism and their basic tenets, claim that Mormons are Christians.
Plus you have to wonder about a religious group that *needs* so strongly to claim that they are Christians.
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Bkumm1 year, 8 months ago
Define Christian. I would define Christians this way:
A Christian is a follower and believer in the teachings of Jesus Christ. Christians believe that know person can have eternal life or salvation, except that first they know, believe and accept the sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross.
Mormons are Christians.
"Having faith in Christ includes having a firm belief that He is the Only Begotten Son of God and the Savior and Redeemer of the world. It means believing that He is the Son of God and that He suffered for your sins, afflictions, and infirmities."
From:
http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-belie...
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Bkumm1 year, 8 months ago
I love it when this particular piece gets quoted, it shows a complete ignorance of history:
"(( [Revelation 24:28-19] ...If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book ))"
Revelation was written, probably, in the first century AD. At the time there were hundreds of 'books' in the Bible. The Bible was not canonized until the late fifth century AD at which time many, many books were dropped and some added. In fact, if one were to be completely honest the Bible that we see today did not really come into being until the Council of Trent in 1546. Some denominations of Christianity still consider the "apocryphal" books canon and others do not.
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joeblowe1 year, 8 months ago
You know, I'd be tempted to say that any talk of religion should be absolutely BANNED from political speeches and/or party platforms - just on 1st amendment principle - but then we wouldn't be able to find out who among them was REALLY nuts vs those who are just ordinary nuts. Far as I can tell, Mormons are REALLY nuts. It's bad enough to have an invisible friend, but to rely on a man who needed medication (Smith, that is) in the best case or was a really foul con-man in the worst case, for their spiritual guidance - wow, that's going some distance from the SANITY marker. Sure, everyone needs a hobby, but much like pedophilia, Mormonism should be kept very much to yourself if you don't want people to look at you funny. Oh - not to mention that Mormons don't seem to MIND pedophilia in some cases...
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vettenut1 year, 8 months ago
Hey bkumm (and others truly interested in this topic):
It is no more possible to define what is/is not a "CHRISTIAN" religion in just 2 brief sentences than to describe how a jet airliner works in just 2 brief sentences...
BUT, I have composed my definition of a "CHRISTIAN" religion, in the alloted space of less than 3 Propeller posts.
And here it is, in the following posts:
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vettenut1 year, 8 months ago
A CHRISTIAN religion is one that believes that:
1. God is an eternal, omnipotent, righteous, merciful being who has no Antecedents.
2. God created all that exists, and is the true King over all that exists.
3. There exists a counterfeit kingdom composed of Satan (a fallen angel) and his demons (the angels that fell by choice with him). This counterfeit kingdom exerts influence on earth and among humans, who by physical heritage are naturally inclined to align themselves with this counterfeit kingdom. God created Hell as the ultimate destination for Satan and his angels.
4. There exists a gap or chasm between God (ultimate righteousness) and humans (naturally in rebellion and sinners against God). Therefore the natural man cannot have true relationship with God, because humans cannot pay the price that God requires for their rebellion and sin against Him.
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Bkumm1 year, 8 months ago
A jet airliner is a type of airplane that uses a compression turbine engine fueled by a lightly processed hydrocarbon (usually a variant of kerosene). This type of airplane is a more advanced variant of the propeller driven airliner.
And there you go. It can be done, the question is whether or not you want it to be broad enough and yet still viable. Usually people that take the time to write something as this (although well thought out and written) are trying to make certain of very specific things to either include or exclude someone or something.
Under your definition I'm not entirely certain a Roman Catholic would be considered a Christian. I'd have to think about it and look at it further.
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vettenut1 year, 8 months ago
My above posts are a brief definition. The definition is not meant to be defensible in each detail, because it is an abridged definition, not a comprehensive one, because of format limitations.
But I trust it enumerates the common ground that all "Christians" can affirm.
May the Light of God's Truth shine forever!!!
AMEN!!!
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