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Posted by: Dobes_Rule 2 years agoInteresting perspective from the conservative site, The Land of The Free. "...What Giuliani did not state to the Christian Broadcasting Network interviewers was the rest of the biblical record. Jesus then turned to the woman and said, "Go and sin no more.""
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Dobes_Rule
Nov. 8, 2007, 10:26 a.m.My favorite line FTA - pretty much sums up Rudy, "But he obviously is opportunistic with his religion as he is with everything else."
Very, very opportunistic AND this should be transparent to everyone....
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not2needy
Nov. 8, 2007, 10:51 a.m.Opportunistic indeed!
Quote from the Bible, give the ignorant cons what they want to hear, then commit adultry as much as you want! Among other things. Then all you have to say is... I asked for forgiveness! But God doesn't grant forgiveness to Liberals, just cons!! EGAD!
It speaks volumes to me that the supposed educated cons on here can't see through that! They keep buying the same old bill of goods then coming up with excuses and comparasions to Liberals to justify everything these crooks do, of course "In the name of God"!
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bubba2
Nov. 8, 2007, 11:34 a.m.The most vocal neocons, when it comes to the bible and to Jesus, are the WORST when it comes to actually UNDERSTANDING or PRACTICING any of it.
They are so clueless about how Jesus lived - they pick and choose what will fit them and discard the the rest - how convenient for them.
Hypocrites ...
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Locky12
Nov. 8, 2007, 2:14 p.m.How ironic that gays, lesbians and proponents of pro-choice beat the same drum!
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Locky12
Nov. 8, 2007, 2:34 p.m.This article has NO CLUE what that story in the Bible was about!
It was about JESUS being set up by the Pharisees. They set that woman up just to bring her before Jesus. If he was here to fulfill the law of Moses, He'd have to order her stoned, and thus not be such a friend to sinners and besides only Rome could authorize an execution and that would result in the end of Jesus.
If he said let her go, he would not be fulfilling the law of Moses and thus a false prophet. So instead of saying one of the two, he asked for a new jury-- one without sin to carry out her death sentence.
Jesus looked at them-- just like he'll look at us on the last day. He will read our hearts and we will convict ourselves with our own mouths. That's why they dropped the stones and walked away one by one!
Jesus did care about the sin the woman committed, and he was going to pay for that sin by dying for it.
THAT is the story of that Gospel and THAT is the lesson to be learned!
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Searchbeam
Nov. 9, 2007, 2:13 a.m.Tessylo,
I think that endorsement has a sinister twist to it.
Robertson wants Judges in the mold of Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts (Dark S.T.A.R.s), and sometimes Kennedy (Making it a S.T.A.R.K. situation!) and from what I have gathered, that is the quid pro quo! Snowflake has probably promised Robertson that that is what he would do if he became a President.
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Aidenag
Nov. 8, 2007, 4:15 p.m.Blows my mind that Giuliani has been doing so well with the GOP to date. It's like they have ditched the "Moral Majority" mantra entirely.
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engineer
Nov. 8, 2007, 4:22 p.m.The far right makes up its own rules like "Jesus vs Republican Jeezus."
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greenmac
Nov. 8, 2007, 4:36 p.m.Why is so much focus placed on religion in this election. The focus should be on peace and the economy. It should be focused on the home front and its people. There are much bigger problems out there than how a politician worships or sins. It is a waste of valuable time stick handling around the religion issue.
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AmericanIdiot
Nov. 8, 2007, 4:40 p.m.Jesus was homeless, he rejected family and wealth, he disdained society and the state, he rejected heirarchy. What is there to love for an authoritarian capitalist? Isn't it time the conservatives converted to Islam?
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NelsonR
Nov. 8, 2007, 5:31 p.m.The most atrocious aspect of Mr. Rudy is his continual reference to the Moslem Fear tactic and his extraordinary leadership during 9/11. I find this, his so called asset quite egocentric and false. Reminds me of Hillary and most other lifelong candidates who most Americans refute. Gosh wake up America and DO NOT vote for a party, either Democrat or Republican. Try another avenue, Independent!! If you still like a mix of some from either party that is what independent thinking is. Trolls vote straight party line.
I will take my chances with Ron Paul or Mr. Kucinich. New, refreshing and no B.S. added. I would like to see them on the same ticket, novel.
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DarkWizard
Nov. 8, 2007, 5:31 p.m.StarLord,
Some excellent points. And, some of the very reasons I stop participating in organized religion.
After reading the Bible several times (I took my time to absorb any deeper meanings) it was apparent to me that organized religion and the real teachings of Jesus don't exactly match up. This is because organized religion becomes focused on aspects of the Bible and discounts anything they feel is irrelevant to their "spiritual" view. I call them Bible lawyers. Always looking for the Biblical loopholes that make their interpretation of the Bible the most correct.
cont'd
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natashas
Nov. 8, 2007, 6:30 p.m.This is to funny! I am so glad I found this out on Netscape first. I enjoyed some of these comments.
Well I am sure his next speech will be better rehearsed, LOL!
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jordan11
Nov. 8, 2007, 7:31 p.m.Jesus said that if anyone was without sin, he could throw the first stone.>>>>
Sounds to me like gulliani was playing the psychology 101 game. Was that a subliminal message to people that it would be wrong to judge him for his adulterous ways?
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singlikeabirdmel
Nov. 8, 2007, 9:08 p.m.Guiliani may have forgotten the end of that verse but it seems to me the writer never read the verse at all. It wasn't Guiliani who missed the point. The point being, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.!
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Tcaros
Nov. 8, 2007, 10:15 p.m.Please remind me about how the Republican Party is religious. What happened to Reps. Foley and Craig? Foley said the alcohol made him like young boys. Craig plead guilty to misconduct in a mens room. Bush is Methodist, but he just honored the Dalai Lama.
Does the religious right know that the Dalai Lama is the head of a religion that is based on reincarnation. That is what the Dalai Lama represents; reincarnation. I'm all for religious freedoms so it doesn't mean a thing to me, but the religious zealots should at least pay attention!!!
I guess the Republicans just say crap about values and the zealots eat it up. If you ask one of 'em something like, "If Bush is a Christian then how come he keeps the war going killing innocent people on both sides?" or "How do you reconcile his stand on torture?" The religious zealots look dumbfounded and then the denial sets in.
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Tcaros
Nov. 8, 2007, 10:24 p.m.Please remind me about how the Republican Party is religious. What happened to Reps. Foley and Craig? Foley said the alcohol made him like young boys. Craig plead guilty to misconduct in a mens room. Bush is Methodist, but he just honored the Dalai Lama.
Does the religious right know that the Dalai Lama is the head of a religion that is based on reincarnation. That is what the Dalai Lama represents; reincarnation. I'm all for religious freedoms so it doesn't mean a thing to me, but the religious zealots should at least pay attention!!!
I guess the Republicans just say crap about values and the zealots eat it up. If you ask one of 'em something like, "If Bush is a Christian then how come he keeps the war going killing innocent people on both sides?" or "How do you reconcile his stand on torture?" The religious zealots look dumbfounded and then the denial sets in.
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jdhatl
Nov. 8, 2007, 10:54 p.m.Th person who wrote this article is stupid. He don'
t know his own damn religion in the first place and is in no position to claim religious superiority over Rudy. Fundamentalism distorts religion always, no matter what kind of religion it is. As if gays, abortion, and the usual litany of petty christian issues are anywhere near the top of importance right now, there's an illegal war going on, the economyis sinking, and america's reputation is in tatters. Time to throw away the left behind series and start trying to live in the real world not your pseudoreligious fantasyland. It's okay, you can still go to church. But keep your chruch out iof my politics
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afoaf
Nov. 8, 2007, 11:56 p.m.Wait, Giuliani married his cousin?
Can we facking talk about this, please!?
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markmawn2
Nov. 9, 2007, 1:15 a.m.Well, when Ghoulian gets elected (in fantasy planet) I want to hear him say...."Don't give me that Bible crap....it's just a go**am peice of paper...like the Constitution".
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Aotearoa
Nov. 9, 2007, 1:50 a.m.vnut.."Some "Christians" are willing to compromise in order to succeed politically".....guilty conscience does that to people sometimes.
.... or is it like the war president who had a " divine" calling to invade Iraq because Saddam had weapons of mass lies.
leveleva e malanga kae tau
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KMFDM
Nov. 9, 2007, 9:02 a.m.ok, Propeller is messing up. I am meaning to comment at the end, and its throwing my comment as a responses to others.
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KMFDM
Nov. 9, 2007, 9:01 a.m.Come on people. These are politicians. They will take the majority of your precious beliefs that you hold on to in order to make it through your daily routines and embodied it as they stand infront of the light themselves. Funny thing about standing infront of lights. It leaves a shadows. Within those shadows do you see the real person.
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nahual
Nov. 9, 2007, 10:01 a.m.Giuliani is just pandering to the Jesus's freaks...but when did Giuliani become the Repug's front runner? Frankly the US is sinking deeper into a bottomless pit. One would think that the Repugs would prop up a decent candidate to bid for the Oval Office in 2008, the very thought of Giuliani for President is obcene.
Is he the best the GOP has to offer? May God help America.
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sumptuousdigs
Nov. 9, 2007, 10:34 a.m.With 'ol Jewel E. Annie running and being defended by the immoral majority, there may be a place for me in politics yet. Something on the order of smug judge and keeper of the counting house would suit me just fine.
Hellooo laaadies......pass the dutchie on the left hand side.
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nahual
Nov. 9, 2007, 10:49 a.m.We actually have no record that the conversation between Jesus and the two thief ever took place. Consider that Jesus had been previuosly tortured and then nailed to the croos.The other two had suffered similar treatment.None were well enough to engage in philosophical conversations, less yell them out for all to hear and bear witness. The three crosses rose above the crowd several feet, no one was allowed near the cross while the victims were alive, therefore any conversation that may have taken place between Jesus and the other two beared NO witnesses.
That conversation, attibuted to Jesus is pure myth...ficcion invented by someone who wrote about the cruxifiction and what took place BUT was not a witness to the execution.
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nahual
Nov. 9, 2007, 10:58 a.m.arghhh! the server is inserting the comments randomly, not in the intended order,I shall return when the error is corrected.
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2sidestoeverything
Nov. 9, 2007, 11:04 a.m.Enjoyed reading all the post above it was nice that for the most part the debate was civil. Neo thanks for the heads up on this.
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vor
Nov. 10, 2007, 8:51 p.m.And you would hopefully admit that they all expected his return to be imminent? That was the story that was spread. Prepare yourself because he is coming back! Just as today there was constant fear that the world around would collapse. Wicked storms and other natural disasters were certainly God's wrath. If the Gospel was spread after his death it was by word of mouth only, as the Synoptic Gospels were not set down by hand until decades later my the most generous estimate. I under stand your belief in the disciples but for the most part they did not venture far, their sacrifice (death) was enormous but many have died for their prophets. And what prevented the spread of Christianity East? What still prevents that?
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StarLord
Nov. 8, 2007, 4:48 p.m.I don't see anything in Jesus' writings about homosexuality. Or abortion (at least, not directly). Or working on Sundays. Or associating with people of different skin colour.
Jesus wrote on hypocrisy, and on hatred, and on greed as sins.
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Natureboy
Nov. 8, 2007, 8:09 p.m."At what point does Jesus (NOT one of his disciples, but Jesus Himself) state that homosexuality is wrong?"
Well, he tried to, but he had been running around in that white dress of his and going on about brotherly love and when he turned to queer-bashing people just laughed.
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DeadXXXManXXXTalkin
Nov. 8, 2007, 8:59 p.m.'' When does Jesus say "fire and brimstone await those who break even the smallest of my holy laws."?''
How bout a paraphrase:
'You are to be perfect, as your father in heaven is perfect'
all good points, and this is the only one I could even make a pass at.
as for homosexuality, I think jesus was more interested in how men treated each other, not how they, uh, treated each other
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