Chinese Submarine Pops Up Amidst Navy Exercises »
Posted By jordan11 1 year, 7 months ago in NewsAmerican military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine surfacing in the middle of their Navy exercises. It surfaced within striking distance of the USS Kitty Hawk, with 4500 personnel on board.
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not2needy1 year, 7 months ago
A cloaking device perhaps?
Terrorists?
Don't let Bush hear about this, he will want to nuke China!
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injest1 year, 7 months ago
Perhaps they had their ASW active sonar's off to "save the whales". Passive systems don't work on Electric sub's only active sonar will detect them.
Sonar 'may cause whale deaths'
Two months ago the US Navy was ordered by a federal court not to test a powerful sonar system in most parts of the world, because of fears the booming sounds emitted to detect enemy submarines could "irreparably harm" cetaceans and fish.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/31739...
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augustine9741 year, 7 months ago
We can thank God that China only spends 5% of what we spend on our military. If they spent just half as much as we do, we would be the ones of "no significance"...the moniker that bush belittles the rest of the world with.
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awongscreen1 year, 7 months ago
The big corporations would not allow GW to nuke China. They need globalisation and out sourcing.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 7 months ago
Sadly the billions end up in the hands of cronies and never do wells. I fear our defense is so outdated and cumbersome. These folks are still gearing up to fight the cold war. They try to use stealth bombers to combat some idiot lighting his shoe on fire. The stupidity and greed that has transfered the U.S. industrial base to China is self defeating in the long term. But highly profitable for the very short term for some.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 7 months ago
Trillions spent in the 50's and 60's on nuclear deterents but Iran scares USA with no nuclear arsenal yet, and they say they have no intention of getting any.
Trillions spent nuclear boomers and attack subs yet a diesel electric sub has put that to shame and they are building a surface navy so what surprises are yet to come with these.
What ever they are rest assured that the pentagon will spend trillions more to combat it and keep USA safe.
Got to keep the war economy booming.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 7 months ago
I think it is more of warning, kind of like the beginning of a pi$$ing contest.
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XPSM1401 year, 7 months ago
Think of this for a moment the U boat did the same thing while killing ships they were not even as advanced as today subs it still took a while for us to catch up with their techiques
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pongping1 year, 7 months ago
Pearl Harbor, the Yalu River, Tet, Teheran, 9-11: we're always ready. Throw more money at it. Somebody connected needs it, Bush.
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Flashygrrl1 year, 7 months ago
Have you had your head under a rock with all these recalls?
Lead poisoning I'm sure has already affected some children, and now those lovely Aqua Dots. Not to mention all those nasty chemicals I remember hearing about them putting in the toothpaste and some of our medicines. Oh, and who can forget the canned pet food recalls? I can't. And there WERE deaths, from the cribs that came from there.
It doesn't matter if there are recorded deaths in this in the first place. They put Americans and their children in harms way time and time again, and we should no longer be sending our money to them. I do not particularly care for children myself but I do care if we're allowing another country to hurt them. Isn't that terrorism or is that definition only extended to countries with oil?
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hyperbola1 year, 7 months ago
Well, it is certainly true that bushies silly war in iraq would have ended long ago if the iraqis had access to more modern weapons, e.g. russian anti-tank grenades.
Perhaps we will get a chance to test your hypothesis with supersonic anti-ship missiles.
The ZionCon Agenda to Sacrifice the Fifth Fleet
Do No Evil â;; Neoconservatives within the Bush administration are willing to sacrifice the U.S. Fifth Fleet by militarily provoking Iran to launch its anti-ship cruise missile arsenal in order to justify 'total war' against Iran, and force regime change. These NeoCons should be subjected to immediate treason trials.
http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2007/11/09/t...
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Skeptic1 year, 7 months ago
It isn't so unusual to be tracked by a submarine, especially if you are not actively searching for one. In the 50's, during an exercise, a submarine surfaced during a night exercises and sailed along in formation with a group consisting of a carrier, two cruisers and six destroyers. It took about five hours before a radar operator on the carrier noted that there was one too many ships in the formation.
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NelsonR1 year, 7 months ago
It is obvious that many junk toys and other crap purchased by Americans is being well spent by the Chinese. Mark this note, our next advocate in the world will be China. Consequently we Americans keep buying without thinking.
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wildman65571 year, 7 months ago
And this is supposed to be a surprise?
We have been giving the Chinese our technology through outsourcing for years. What makes you bunch of morons think that they wouldn't take what they learned in the commercial realm and use it for defense??
The defense industry is dependent on the commercial high tech industry. The reason our defense industry is so strong is that our commercial high tech industry is strong. Now the Chinese have been given the technology so their defense industry will also be strong. Maybe since we are declining in the commercial realm and they are increasing, they will become the dominate power in the World.
Oh well, we saved a lot of money for a while and what is more important: money or freedom? We made our decision....
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joelscears1 year, 7 months ago
PRESIDENT BUSH SAYS WE ARE SAFE?
AFTER READING THIS ARTICLE, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH
PRESIDENT BUSH. SO MUCH FOR NATIONAL SECURITY
I WOULD LIKE TO HERE THE EXCUSES ON HOW THIS SUB
"POPPED UP" UNDETECTED.
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StarLord1 year, 7 months ago
A few points:
1. Submarines have always had the edge in the stealth vs. detection games. Often in WWII, the first sign of a submarine was the torpedo hitting the ships.
2. Diesel subs are much quieter than your noisy nuke-boats.
3. China is hardly the only nation to have done this. Australia has done it on many, many occasions in wargames, leading to red faces among US brass (yay!).
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cc21121 year, 7 months ago
First of all, if a submarine decides it is going to simply sit on the ocean floor, particularly on electric motors, it is for all intents and purposes invisible to even the most advanced sonar. Secondly, it was a major screw up by the Chinese to get allow the US Navy to get such a good look at the subs sonar profile. And if you read all of the article, you would know that the Chinese also test fired a missile accurate enough to take out a satellie, more indication that we should be spending billions on anti-missile technology. Another feather in our Presidents cap. Sorry libs, once again you this story is obviously over your head. Why don't you venture over to one of the entertainment stories where you are more in your element.
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cc21121 year, 7 months ago
And another thing, the whole "it's bush's fault for everything" attitude of the libs is really getting old. If you are so unhappy with your pathetic little life that you need to blame the president, who in 2004 got more votes than any candidate in the history of the planet, go live in Canada, or better yet, go live with your friends in Iran, preferrably you could move there before we nuke them
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HannibalBarca1 year, 7 months ago
Well cc2112, if the people you describe and dislike ever came to my country I and many more would welcome them, you and yours please stay where you are, Thank-you
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cc21121 year, 7 months ago
baddad, has it ocurred to you that the chinese were able to launch a missile that accurate due to the technology that our communist in chief, bill clinton sold to them when he sold out our country? As for closed military bases, wake up, it is a changing world, the military's mission has changed dramatically in the past 20 years.
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Will13131 year, 7 months ago
actually Reagan sold them the technology... right after the Challenger explosion... we needed to launch some COMMUNICATION SATELLITES.. and at the time only the Chinese and the French had the technology for what was needed... Chinese did it much cheaper.. but to insure a greater degree of success.. Repeat after me.. REAGAN allowed a technology transfer that GREATLY enhanced the accuracy of the guidance systems on Chinese rockets...
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cc21121 year, 7 months ago
And walmart? do you think only walmart sells chinese made goods? Most retailers sell chinese goods, i bet you have thousands of dollars of chinese made goods in your home. And if you don't like buying chinese goods, how do you feel about paying twice what you spend for everyting? Juust like the mideast, the best thing that can happen to China is democracy, bu oh i forget, most of you libs don't think democracy works anywhere, inluding here in the US.
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cc21121 year, 7 months ago
How about low unemployment, how about the largest housing boom in history which has propelled the net worth of the average amercan to all time highs, how about education reform, how about pushing for much needed privatized social security reform, how about pre-empting any post 9/11 attacks on the US, how about bringing the economy and the stock market back from the brink of collaps after 9/11? I could go on, but had you been paying attention the last 7 years, you would know all of this.
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Will13131 year, 7 months ago
how about the largest housing boom in history which has propelled the net worth of the average amercan to all time highs
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created by lax rules in lending leading to several financial institutions in severe trouble.. and the highest foreclosure rate in history.. including the S & L scandal under George H. W. Bush... see a pattern...
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jordan111 year, 7 months ago
1. Housing boom: The result of relaxing credit to the point that people bought houses they can't afford. The repossession of those houses is skyrocketing.
2. That same relaxing of credit has caused an unprescidented amount of debt in this nation, with a ZERO for savings to counterbalance it. People are going crazy with their credit cards, and are one paycheck away from disaster.
3. Jobs created in this nation have NOT been higher income technology jobs. They are service jobs, and the income of middle America is tanking. How will they pay off those credit cards now?
4. People can't afford privatized social security. They would still have to pay into the system to sustain those before them, & with incomes dropping, few can afford to invest in their retirement over that.
5. Low interest rates are what brought the stock market back, and that devalues the dollar. Our dollar is worth 30% LESS than it was in 2000.
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HannibalBarca1 year, 7 months ago
And cc2112 thanks to your feather bearing leader, my dollar which six months ago was worth around $.75/US is now worth $1.10/US and ours is not the only currency affected this way.
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cowboygrandpa1 year, 7 months ago
cc2112: Yes you could go on and on. Thank you for not doing that. Low unemployemnt because of under employment or people falling off the the unemployment list as they are no longer eligable. Privatized stealing of the social security funds no. The largest housing boom in history that is now causing many to lose everything. That includes some who invested heavily in housing. I have been paying attention you haven't. Pre-empting any post 9/11 attacks. WTF are you talking about? He has taken that need away by destroying the nation himself. Take of your Ultra Con colored glasses and look at reality. We are so much worse off now than when Bush took office. Spinner deluxe are you?
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cc21121 year, 7 months ago
If all of you gutless libs would let the military take the gloves off, instead of whining about abu gharib and how horrible our military is, we could park the 6th fleet off the coast of iran and anihilate it in a long weekend. But no, the enemy doesn't have to worry about collateral damage, we do. As for iraq, if we adopted the tactics of the israeli army, who know how to fight these gutless cowards, we would reduce our american casualties significantly, but the left would never allow that, they don't have the stomach for it.
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Will13131 year, 7 months ago
how have the libs controlled anything until the 06 election, Bush had a rubber stamp congress.. and could have done almost anything he wished.. blame a lib.. not very conservative of the party of self reliance.. with that also comes self responsibility..
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