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We are winning in Iraq. Will someone please inform the Democrats?

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bobo-in-texas
Nov. 24, 2007, 8:07 p.m.
The latest good for America, bad for the Retreat and Surrender Caucus news update.
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jdhatl
Nov. 24, 2007, 8:28 p.m.
Just because Baghdad violence has cooled does not mean that we have won or lost or anything. This is just the latest chapter in a very ***ked up story we threw at them not for their own good or even for the oil but just to make our military war machine feel important again. Someone tell the neo-nuts: the war is not over, violence continues. And Baghdad is just a city, not the whole country. But then again, why bother? these lunatics take issue with basic facts like the difference between a city and a country because they get in the way of the smooth functioning of their psychotic logic communications.
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ABANOCLA
Nov. 24, 2007, 9:47 p.m.
I think maybe he was to busy planning his comment to read the article. No where in it did it just say Baghdad was better, it did mention a wedding in Baghdad.And we are the ones who do not know a city, from a country...lol Hey Jhadti That is a hole in the ground, not yer butt:)
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rimbaud
Nov. 24, 2007, 9:48 p.m.
Hopefully, this will be enough success to continue the troop reductions.
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Endoscopy
Nov. 24, 2007, 10:08 p.m.
Since the left believes White Flag Harry then they won't believe this either. The facts don't make any difference just the repeated Reid-Pelosie rants since that is the liberal TRUTH.
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donald51
Nov. 24, 2007, 11:03 p.m.
Petraus plan may be working, but Dumya's politcal support to the plan is still a dismal failure and should be a part of his story.
But, when Reagan vetoed the Truth in Telecommunications Act he was telling us something. Recently, the current repugs in the Congress rejected an update of the Fairness Doctrine; all so the Repugs can publish incomplete, one-sided articles like this one!
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gamahuche
Nov. 24, 2007, 11:31 p.m.
The human cost of this misadventure based on false premises will continue to affect the US negatively for decades.
You may think there's something to crow about BoBo but there are plenty of families out there who have lost sons and daughters who will never feel that it was worth it so that Cheney and his chums could stash their billions of profits in some tax-haven future home.
There's no way that this war will ever be seen as a moral or a justified war by the rest of the wirld.
The US' moral reputation worldwide is in tatters, the dollar a basket-case with unpayable debts to Communist China, the nation more hostilely divided than its been in my lifetime.
I'd be interested to see a poll right now - in this time that you consider to be good-news day - of how many people believe that this war on Iraq has been worth it. But probably we'll have to wait till next year's election results come in.
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Daylight
Nov. 25, 2007, 2:05 a.m.
Whatever the out come in Iraq the Muslims know the Zionist America's true ugly face of Crusade against Islam under the pretext of Democracy and freedom. I hope Americans have learned a lesson in Iraq that they will never try again to steal oil or interfere in the affair of Muslims. Now the problem has shifted to Pakistan, this is one of the Bush administration's achievements. The Americans must be mentally ill to accept the FOX Media reports as true. But in Afghanistan the problem is the same, and we don't hear any improvement there. The Americans must realize that the Bush administration is one of the worst criminal regimes in the history of mankind, and it is also should take responsibility for the Dollar's weakness against other currencies.
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nikkibabe
Nov. 25, 2007, 8:23 a.m.
1 million Iraqi civilians dead, half the country bombed and destroyed, over 2 million Iraqi civilians displaced from their homes, 4 million have fled as refugees to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Iran. Most of the country has no running water, continuous power.
WHO IS THE WINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Beau7890
Nov. 25, 2007, 9:49 a.m.
Let's assume the article's premise is correct. We're "winning" in Iraq.
Winning what, exactly? Beating down rebellion temporarily?
The article says, "All that is left is establishing a democracy, which is out of the hands of our soldiers."
Is THAT all? I'm sure that's not hard. Why don't we leave? After all, a democracy is a government of the people, by the people. In this case, the people of Iraq--nothing we can do to help that, right?
Win, lose, who cares what you call it? The consequences are the same. Even the author seems to think our soldiers have done all they can do. So it must be time to leave, right?
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hyperbola
Nov. 25, 2007, 9:56 a.m.
Lets face it. Whatever "progress" the bushie zioncons can claim in iraq recently is based on "buying" local mercenaries. Clearly the bushie zioncons are making a still bigger powder keg out of iraq - but maybe the bushies can cut and run declaring victory before the explosion they are preparing comes.
The GOP is desperate for "good news" (at whatever cost to Iraqis) prior to the elections.
American-backed killer militias strut across Iraq
...Exotically named groups such as the Knights of Ameriya and the Guardians of Ghazaliya strut the streets in camouflage uniforms, brandishing new AK47s that the Americans say they have not supplied.
Last week I entered the western Baghdad district of Ameriya by crossing check-points manned by the eager "knights". Not only had some of them been members of groups aligned with Al-Qaeda eight weeks ago, but they had now created a virtual enclave surrounded by concrete blast walls.
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william-sire
Nov. 25, 2007, 10:12 a.m.
Have you noticed the staggering lack of news about Iraq lately. Perhaps it is because the dominant liberal doesn't want t report good news.
From: donald51
"Bobo, you are so good at submitting articles with bias and incomplete facts! All the dems defeatist (?); hardly, but they do all want to get the real perpetrator of 911."
How long will it take before the anti-Bush crowd realizes Osama Bin Laden and Lex Luthor are not one and the same? Osama Bin Laden was never a master mined evil doer with a fantastic plot to take over the world. He is a part of a greater evil that has to be abolished before more like him are successful from it.
Unlike stopping Lex Luthor the capture of Osama Bin Laden will not stop the evil that he is doing. We are fighting the evil of terrorism as he should.
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hyperbola
Nov. 25, 2007, 10:40 a.m.
'Wash Post': Don't Celebrate Turnaround in Iraq Just Yet
...violence has decreased. But it hasn't gone away. It is only back down to the 2005 level -- which to my mind is kind of like moving from the eighth circle of hell to the fifth.
I interviewed dozens of officers and none were willing to say we are winning. What they were saying is that at least now, we are not losing. But to a man, they were enormously frustrated...
...Yes, one reason that the city is quieter is because of the presence of American troops. But, another reason is that some Sunni neighborhoods are walled off, and other Sunni areas have been ethnically cleansed. In addition, the Shiite death squads, also killed some car bomb guys...
..I've heard generals talk about big troop cuts in Iraq for more than four years now. (first in Oct. 2003.) So I will believe it when I see it....
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/ar...
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fsev41
Nov. 25, 2007, 11:16 a.m.
Its certainly great to hear some optimistic news about the "surge" but:
Haven't heard any good news about political progress for as long as I can remember. In fact, Mr AlMaliki(Shiite)is publically feuding with his vice-president(Sunni). There accusing each other's party of blocking progress (sounds kinda familiar).
Turkey is on the verge of invading the Kurdish north because we can't control the Kurdish rebels there. Whose side do we take if that happens?
The rumbling of war drums continues for confrontation with Iran.
We're paying Sunni "peace keepers" $300 a month not to kill Shiites. We're probably paying Shiites the same not to kill Sunnis or will be very soon. How much is that costing us and how long will it continue.
Meanwhile back in Afganistan where the terrorist threat started the Taliban is retaking control of large segments of rural Afgan--. Osama is still mouthing off and our "ally" Pakistan is about to fall apart at the seams.
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NelsonR
Nov. 25, 2007, 11:41 a.m.
Tell that we are winning to those still dying on both sides while a lull occurs. Winning, unbelievable that anyone could be that impractical in their thought process.
We will never "WIN" in Iraq unless you have consistent happy thoughts twinged with a belief in the tooth fairy.
Another example, the author probably believes our economy will be strong when we have a positive one day run and that house prices are going to shoot through the roof upward.
All insanity. We need new and fresh leaders in D.C.
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vor
Nov. 25, 2007, 12:39 p.m.
Winning? You still cannot define victory. Of course victory to the neocons is securing the oil fields and Iraq itself as a geo-political prize from which to launch future ventures in the region.
No matter that Iraq is in just as much chaos as before only with a reduced death count. Understand that Shia and Sunni have essentially separated and retreated to their own enclaves. This has especially occurred in Baghdad itself. There has been zero progress on political reconciliation and how can there truly be? The hatreds that divide these people are religious and ancient. They are not forgotten by love of country.
George Will made an excellent point this morning on ABC, saying "there are no Thomas Jefferson's in Iraq, Saddam killed them all". Add in the 2 million that have fled altogether (because they could afford to) and we are left with some rather poor quality material from which to construct a nation.
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Amazing1
Nov. 25, 2007, 12:39 p.m.
You can't "win" an occupation. And that's what it is. It has nothing to do with a "war on terror." AlQaida was not in Iraq until we destroyed their country. Our feckless leaders lied us into an invasion that was stupid and has hurt us in many ways. We have lost our reputation, our economy is in the toilet and many of our sons and daughters have died or been maimed for life. Our national debt is out of touch and China is holding the notes on a lot of it. Yeah, great, the violence is down. This whole adventure has been stupid from the git-go.
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ADAGUY
Nov. 25, 2007, 1:29 p.m.
Well hell, since AlQueda is gone, and the threat seems to be over, lets bring em' home! Way to go Bush!
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fsev41
Nov. 25, 2007, 2:41 p.m.
From the Repug "100 Most Useful Phrases" book: We're making real progress but the next six months will be critical. Bout time to wheel that one out again!
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NelsonR
Nov. 25, 2007, 2:42 p.m.
If France, Britian and the U.S. hadn't screwed with the Middle East in the early 1900's and separated the Ottoman Empire into their playground terrorism probably would never had been the norm there.
Oh well, lets meddle some more, we are the moralist of the world.
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lestparker
Nov. 25, 2007, 2:49 p.m.
Wars are won a little bit at a time, not with grand victories and magnificent strategies. This is one of those little steps that seems to be in the right direction. With a few more steps, maybe we can have a good outcome for Iraq. Keep up the good work boys and girls.. you have my unqualified support!
P.S. I am not a republican or a "neocon" whatever that is.
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donald51
Nov. 25, 2007, 4:45 p.m.
lest, unqualified support? Do you really support all our troops have done when it includes things we have never permitted them to do before like preemptive war, torture (Abu Ghraib was a result of the Bush torture memo and gitmo ops carried to Iraq), political assasination by hellfire missile that also takes out innocents, taking habeas corpus away from detainees, etc...
Really, this is what poor, unscrupulous civilian leadership has forced on our fine soldiers to accept!
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AOL-my-crater
Nov. 25, 2007, 3 p.m.
For God's sake, America can retreat by oceans, but what about orphaned Israel?
"Third, a defeated al-Qaida also has retreated from Iraq," lol
Saddam's Irak was free from Al-Qaida. Al-Qaida invaded Iraq after the Alliance invades. Now some said Al-Qaida gone. Allaince stays. For what?
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ADAGUY
Nov. 25, 2007, 3:02 p.m.
I find it laughable that so many of the repubs are saying "I'd rather fight them over there, than over here!"
Yeah, like any Al Queda factions in the US are going to leave and go to Iraq!