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Posted By TechnologyExpert 1 year, 6 months ago in NewsPresident Bush vetoed legislation Wednesday that would have expanded government-provided health insurance for children, his second slap-down of a bipartisan effort in Congress to dramatically increase funding for the popular program.
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bubba21 year, 6 months ago
And a "BAH, HUMBUG" to you, too, Mr. Bush ... but I expect that you will get more than a lump of coal in your Neiman-Marcus Xmas stocking ...
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
Why should I pay to give myself health care? It is a middle class health care bill. What government run function for anything is better than a non government run one? Answer is the military. Everything else becomes a bureaucratic nightmare and costs much more to pay for that bureaucracy.
Basic question is why would I want to be under that nightmare of a government run health care system?
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
I think this will be THE reason Republicans are thoroughly swept out of office next November and I couldn't be happier. Sticking by Bush on the war is one thing. Sticking by Bush as he wages war on children will be the death knell of the GOP.
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Blackacereturn1 year, 6 months ago
He doesn't get it. The thing is by now I should know that and just continue holding my breath until he leaves...I saw where he said it would hurt the insurance companies...would someone tell this jackass that these kids are uninsured and since they are not they cannot take away that which was never there.
If you are afraid of insured persons trying to get to the money make a stipulation if you are insured at the time of this bill then you are ineligible unless you can prove that both parents are no longer working and are in dire straights.
Mr. President these are our kids, the lease among us, please stop this silly right wing crap!
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nostalgia1 year, 6 months ago
I heard this AM on the news that they introduce legislation immediately that will cover the shortfall between now and the end of the fiscal year
The program will continue under the old rules
Now if they can just stop the waivers to cover adults, maybe the program will work as it was intended - cover CHILDREN
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rightfromwrong1 year, 6 months ago
Let's face it....Bush is a criminal and he should be dropped off in the Iraqi desert along with his other thugs Pearl, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and Cheney so they can all be tortured and put to death. Make sure they destroy the tapes thought!!!!
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Endoscopy1 year, 6 months ago
Inflamed hateful rhetoric from the side that wants hate speech in criminal cases. The side that wants political correctness. The side that claims to be tolerant.
Such tolerance for others points of view is really underwhelming.
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StarLord1 year, 6 months ago
Not good. Stop giving the neocons ammunition to use against rational people.
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
" imagine how much more fraud there will be with government paid 'universial care'."
Why? Why should we imagine *your* worst case scenarios when right wingers refuse to acknowledge ongoing thievery by the GOP that we KNOW for a fact is happening right under our noses? At least we don't have to "imagine" we're being defrauded of our tax dollars in Iraq.
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doggammit1 year, 6 months ago
Why an important issue such as this one has to turn into a political cluster-f--k simply amazes me. I'm sure there is ample shame to go around on both sides of the political chessboard, although the Presidential Veto and Bush's eagerness to dispatch a team of collegues rather than meet directly with Pelosi and Co. is a clear signal that the GWinches heart is indeed two sizes too small...
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cherev1 year, 6 months ago
Yeah, all us Republicans are cold, heartless b@st@rds who want children to suffer and die because of a lack of healthcare. While the Democrats are just warm hearted Pollyanna types who bring sunshine and love to the masses....for the sake of the children.
People will live up or down to your expectations. If anyone truly wanted to address the issue of American health care (or wellness), demonizing those who don't see things as "clearly" as you do is definitely the first step to accomplish the goal.
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doggammit1 year, 6 months ago
I'm neither Dem nor Republican, cherev - and your categorical assumption about how this issue spits according to party lines is false according to info provided in the article. There are Republicans that doubt the political wisdom of His Dubyaship on this veto matter. But If you want to include all Republicans and rally them against dissenting opinion, by all means, as a person seemingly oblivious to how support for versions of this bill crosses party lines, feel free to do so - while turning in any Republican dissenters you happen to disagree with as well. That could be your big Star Chamber mission for the day.
Meanwhle, you can forget trying to instruct me about what clear sight and a level playing field look like. I read the article and took my judgement accordingly. It just seemed like a better idea than pandering base sentiment and feeling up your presidental pal's sock puppet pantleg in search of the two things he lacks most - compassion and fairness.
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THOMNH621 year, 6 months ago
yeah, another entitlement program bites the dust, get a job and stop having babies you can't afford.
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coreyspring1 year, 6 months ago
"yeah, another entitlement program bites the dust, get a job and stop having babies you can't afford."
So you would have every child whose parents can't afford insurance go without any health care?
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Skeptic1 year, 6 months ago
I support providing health care for indigent children and in some cases, their parents. I do not support the plan submitted by congress because of unreasonable earnings guidelines. You need only to compare costs of private insurance and the projected cost of the current proposal to realize that there has to be a better plan. The following chart can give you an idea of the cost of private insurance:
Male, 40; Female 37; 2 children ages 10 & 7 - $199/mo
Male, 40; Female 37; no children - $141/mo
Male, 30; Female 27; 2 children ages 10& 7 - $157/mo
Male, 30; Female 27; no children - $142/mo
Male, 25, single - $60/mo
Female, 25, single - $72/mo
If you think that all your expenses should be paid for by insurance, well that is going to be a bit more. Would you be willing to pay for auto insurance that covers routine maintenance as health insurance pays for periodic checkups?
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Dionys1 year, 6 months ago
Skeptic - I think everyone wants to know what company that is. The majority of people are paying close to twice that for insurance.
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joey-evans1 year, 6 months ago
Yeah...sure!
Please tell us which insurance company you are with and what is actually covered!!!PLEASE!!! Because if you are getting away that cheaply, I have been wasting my hard earned dollars!
Either someone else is subsidizing your payment or you are an efin' liar.
I am certain we all know which it is.....
JOEY EVANS
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mesodude1 year, 6 months ago
"I support providing health care for indigent children and in some cases, their parents. I do not support the plan submitted by congress because of unreasonable earnings guidelines."
I get it...Let's futz around and allow innocent children to go uninsured until we can guarantee that not one single adult gets "socialized" medicine.
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panzerv1 year, 6 months ago
Check out "Zietgeist-The Movie" on youtube. Food for thought! Peace
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bill29361 year, 6 months ago
To see how well the governemnt would run a socialized medicine scheme, look at the fraud in the Medicare system. Now just multiply it by the size of the new system.
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BuffaloJ1 year, 6 months ago
bush's veto doesn't suprise me a bit. He sees it as the first step towards government run healthcare.
This makes me mad, tho...when he vetoed the last SCHIP bill the increased cigarette tax was already in place and being collected. He vetoed the bill again this time and still I pay the increased cigarette tax(btw, yeah, yeah, I shouldn't smoke...I'm driving up healthcare costs...dar, dar, dar. move on.).
If they were going to pay for the SCHIP epansion with cigarette taxes and they are going to continue to collect these additional taxes then APPOVE THE HEATLTHCARE BILL!!! ITS ALREADY PAYED FOR!!!
BUT, because bush wants to privatize as much of government as possible I get to pay additional taxes for nothing!!!
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oneironaut4201 year, 6 months ago
Could those who are claiming universal health care is failing in other countries provide some verifiable sources to back that up?
My husband is a health insurance agent who, because of our geographical location, talks to a number of Canadians about health care. They rarely have any complaints about the quality of their medical care, and most are absolutely shocked at how much we pay.
No offense, but frankly, I tend to believe those who actually live in Canada and have experienced the system first-hand. 8)
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sinophil491 year, 6 months ago
oneiron - Overall, there is nothing wrong with Canadian medicine. The biggest problem they have is adequacy of medical resources. My oldest brother in law needed a coronary bypass. He had to wait 4-5 months before he could get scheduled. There are only a limited # of MRI & CAT scanners, so the waiting times for routine scans are also months.
Doctors are paid on some sort of fixed fee schedule; so I understand there is a lot of "churning" - making pts come back repeatedly for follow-ups that are unnecessary.
Canadians who want procedures done sooner often travel down to Seattle, Buffalo, Detroit, etc and pay for testing out of their pockets.
Many doctors and Centers have a secondary practice where Canadians pay out of pocket for services sooner or not covered by their socialized care.
The price they pay for universal coverage is a much higher tax burden that cons herewould not tolerate. Also the care is for the most basic coverage. There are private Canadian
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traveler20001 year, 6 months ago
I dont know about the Canada, but at least it seems that All get medical care (even if, when not urgent?) U may have to wait, or go to "private".
And Yes, in the UK you have to go to a certain GP (U can pick from a list)who, if needed will send U to a specialist and/or hospital.
Eventought that system is not ideal, at least the large majority of people get good medical help.
However, not all "socialized" medecine are like that:
In a most (European)countries U can choose your doctor (including general and specialist) and NO waitingtime for care. In some countries they do ASK you(U dont have to) to CHOOSE one GP to centralize your medical historie. In exchange U pay even less (of the not to much). U can change at any time.
So everybody can get the best care whitout having to get bankrupt. There is in some countries even a maximum cap per year for how much U have to pay out of yr own pocket (e.g. for people with chronicle deseases).
So, what's wrong with all that?
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willottica1 year, 6 months ago
"Ultimately, our nation's goal should be to move children who have no health insurance to private coverage, not to move children who already have private health insurance to government coverage."
That's a great idea, P. Bush! That way, when the children become sick, their private health insurance can deny them coverage and they will die and be less of a burden on society. Gah!
Insurance companies should have minimum payout guidelines, say, they have to pay out 75% of premiums in benefits. 25% still seems like a huge amount of overhead, but it would be much better than the 75% overhead they now claim.
And if they deny claims to reduce fraud, that's all well and good, but if they 'accidentally' don't pay out enough, they should have to refund a portion of the premiums.
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willottica1 year, 6 months ago
As for drawbacks to the Canadian Health Care system. Yes, we currently have excessively long wait times in our system. Why is this? Because we have a doctor shortage in the country... the government took the bonehead notion that limiting the number of students who were allowed to enroll in Medical School was a good thing... thus, not enough graduates to fill available jobs.
Is this a flaw of Universal Health Care? Nope. It's a problem with meddling too much with the 'how' rather than just sticking to the 'what'.
A big part of the American problem is 'malpractice insurance'. Doctors are trying to help... so don't bloody well sue them if they aren't perfect or they'll just refuse to try! (This may be a symptom of the private health problem, I'm not sure. If hospitals are in it for profit, then why can't patients be?)
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johnnyt1 year, 6 months ago
canada isnt the only country that seems to have a waiting list
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/...
this lady at 108 years old was told she would have to wait the mandatory 18 months before she could get a hearing aid. that seems a bit extreme. why should anyone have to wait that long for a simple hearing aid?
i am all for creating a way to make sure every citizen has health, dental, & vision insurance. i wish that this was never a situation we would ever have to think about.
my problem stems from the fact that there are very few people in either the democratic or republican parties that truely have my well being in their decision making progress. why should i trust them to provide adequate health care for me and my family.
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simonsez1 year, 6 months ago
I think it is a flaw, willo, as I believe it will reduce the number of bright young people to enter the profession.
I agree malpractice is a problem down here, the "treble damages" portion of the lawsuits should be removed.
I wonder if you have as much problem with gangs and drugs in your country. Our emergency rooms are generally filled with shootings, stabbings, overdoses, and other drug related traumas.
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THOMNH621 year, 6 months ago
so Coreyspring, are you talking about the same parents that have two car payments a tv in every room, dvd players, x box, because thats the poor in this country. Trash that lives off the systems you libs have created for generations making sure you have dependent voters forever. Get over it people extort the system, this would have been another bloated buracracy. I will give you this though, Bush has led us down a path of disaster with this war. When he was elected, as a fiscal conservative I thought great way to cut taxes, fix ss, help the small buisness guy, close the borders, but he has been a huge disspointment to many of us neocons. Oh yeah, Hillary won't fix anything.
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not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
I have all the things you mentioned, except my vehicles are paid for, and i didn't do it on welfare.
You are right about one thing though, Bush has all but shut this country down, but give him time, he still has several months to accomplish that!
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bill29361 year, 6 months ago
MEDICARE FRAUD: OUTRAGEOUS
http://dailynightly.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/...
MEDICARE FRAUD: HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN?
http://dailynightly.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/...
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Klarissa1 year, 6 months ago
There is a law pending in Congress that would make all health care insurance available in every state, As it is now, insurance policies can't be sold across state lines. Talk about anti-competition!
Please support the new law.
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not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
Yet again, 7 times in 7 years, Bush flips the bird at America's children.
Then he thumbs his nose and moons the rest of us!
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mamasan1 year, 6 months ago
From reading all the comments on here I can see
YOU CONS
know nothing about corporate welfare.
Oh you whine like big fat babies when it comes to giving
the average citizens the tools for a normal life
while big business eats up more money off of
corporate welfare than any program to provide med coverage
ever would.
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not2needy1 year, 6 months ago
They don't understand or even want to understand that though mama! All they harp on adnauseam is people on welfare, they don't realize more of their dollars are going into the pockets of the ultra wealthy than ANY medicaid recipient!
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hyperbola1 year, 6 months ago
We should do away with all socialist vestiges in the US government - starting with the military. I don't want such a corrupt, inefficient organization to "defend" me.
Then, get rid of the CIA, FBI, NSA and all such socialist crap aimed at controlling americans.
Then we should do away with the justice system, especially the commercial part. This mainly serves to protect corrupt corporations. I don't want such a corrupt, inefficient socialist organization to provide "justice".
Next, do away with all organizations that register private property. This is socialist crap - no one should have to register their house and they can buy a gun to protect themselves from corporations that want to build on their land.
Next, do away with all police and fire departments. None of the socialist cooperation crap please.
Next, get rid of all roads. Everyone should be free to go where ever he wants and not have the routes determined by government socialists.
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