Spurned by major newspapers, Congressman takes 'impeach Cheney' appeal to Web »
Posted By Spadecaller 1 year, 10 months ago in NewsAttempting to impeach VP Dick Cheney, three members of the Judiciary Committe take their case to op-ed pages of the nation's largest Republican owned newspapers. They were turned down by every one -- including the New York Times, Washington Post and Miami Herald -- so now one of the lawmakers has taken his campaign to the Internet. Story and video.
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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TOD3961 year, 10 months ago
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Yes, Spadecaller, the entire news industry and the top leaders of the Congress are in a well-knit scheme to not have V.P. Cheney be impeached. They are obviously all n it together. Maybe, just maybe, the news orginazations didn't want to run the op-ed article because it isn't news worthy. Oh, now there is a stretch.
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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"The three Democrats wrote an op-ed to announce their position, but none of the nation's leading newspapers would publish it - just as they refuse to include impeachment in their polls, and just as they refuse to publish their own investigations of the crimes of the Bush Administration. Why? Because the Corporate Media is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Republican Party, as it has been since the Reagan Revolution of 1980."
Which are the more important aspects of this story: the attempt to impeach Cheney or the fact that these major newspapers would not carry the Congressmen's news release?
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Natureboy1 year, 10 months ago
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"the Corporate Media is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Republican Party, as it has been since the Reagan Revolution of 1980."
If we are to learn anything from the impeachment push, the PATRIOT Act, the MCA, the Iraq war vote, etc, it is that Republican v Democrat is a Punch and Judy show, and despite pandering to different constituencies, the Republicans and Democrats both dance to the same tune.
How much support do you see impeachment getting from the Democrat party? Why are the Dems supporting BushCo's agenda?
The answer is important if we are to wake up and start deprogramming our minds.
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xlegultx1 year, 10 months ago
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hyperbola1 year, 10 months ago
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This is just one more example of how US media has largely become corporate propaganda. AND, it will get worse.
Media Consolidation Inevitable by FCC On Dec. 18th
Politics â;; Bill Moyer's report on Tuesday's FCC vote to allow media consolidation. From a companion blog: "(Their) plan is opposed by minority groups, a majority of the public, and...lawmakers from both parties." Make no mistake: consolidating news outlets is one more goal of silencing opposition. Wonder why only PBS is covering this important story
http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2007/12/15/m...
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donald511 year, 10 months ago
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My local evening news already shows canned political news slanted to the right from Washington (or so they say). Yep, I'm in one of those foregone states the Dems conceded the last two presidential elections.
But yes, the consolidation of the media can make it worse... like the anti-monopoly laws being thrown out on energy by the former repug Congress... and all the loan problems not just to soldiers, but now to home lenders. How could Dumya increase big government more and still let business decide what is best not for Americans, but business itself?
How about the 32 million paid to that Florida Company for police barracks in Iraq that never were built!
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walden31 year, 10 months ago
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To me the story is about the stranglehold and single-mindedness that the Media now display. Time and time again over the past 12 years we have seen the media fail in its mission as the Fourth Estate. The founders ensured freedom for the media not so we could hear endless banter about presidential or celebrity sexcapades, but so the American people could be informed concerning matters important to our country.
Even the latest NIE that came out about the Administration knowing Iran stopped it pursuit of nukes in 2003, but still chose to attempt to lead us into another elective war has drawn very little traction.
That alone is an impeachable offense.
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hyperbola1 year, 10 months ago
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What is your theory about why that has been played down by the media?
ZionCons Attack the NIE, Yet Again
Do No Evil â;; These ideologues have grown accustomed in recent years to misusing the intelligence agencies to advance their foreign policy goals. The tables have now turned. Senior intelligence officers learned the lesson of 2002 and returned to the tradition of telling the President the truth, no matter how unpopular or unpalatable.
http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2007/12/15/z...
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donald511 year, 10 months ago
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Walden, I think these newspapers want to insure they have access to the administation... and they don't want to be trashed by the highly funded, ring wing propaganda machine... whose lack of any scrupples makes them far more effective than they should be.
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thaw1 year, 10 months ago
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the reluctance to impeach any of these....."turds", is because that would show the us gov't as faulty. and none of them want the states shown in this light, on the world stage.
it's a better deal to let the world believe that the states have simply "lost it's way", rather than "railroaded off the bridge, into the canyon".
none of the people that will be left standing after dec.08, want the negative influence to overshadow "their" governance.
the problem is, what have the turds, in store for the world, in the next year?
and now, at this point, is it prudent to go through an impeachment. how long would proceedings take, to have these people removed? how much would it cost?
one thing is for sure. it's going to be an interesting year.
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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Thaw:
I've heard that arguement almost a year ago. What have the costs been to our troops in Iraq and to the erosions of our constitutional rights during this past year, let alone this past month?
On the precipice of WWIII, leaving Cheney at the helm is not wise; lets not talk prudence while practicing evasion.
As citizens it is our duty to defend the constitution from foreign and domestic enemies. That means now!
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cushi1 year, 10 months ago
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"the reluctance to impeach any of these....."turds", is because that would show the us gov't as faulty. and none of them want the states shown in this light, on the world stage.
it's a better deal to let the world believe that the states have simply "lost it's way", rather than "railroaded off the bridge, into the canyon".
the problem is, what have the turds, in store for the world, in the next year?"
IMHO, it's far too late to be concerned about what the world thinks. The world has already formed its opinion of us based on the canker sore on our lips known as the Bush white house! I believe the world is waiting for us to stand up and fight to bring our nation back from its faded glory. I think the world would welcome and respect ANY efforts to bring the abomination causing desolation both here and abroad to an end. IMPEACH! What has it already cost us not to impeach? How much MORE will it cost if we DON'T?
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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As jordan said:
"But what about us? Why do we continue to accept the use of our air waves for propaganda?"
One of the best ways to challenge the mainstream media is to show them the power of the internet. Together we can do what we cannot do alone.
Please take 2 seconds and sign Wexler's petition; then we know we are doing everyting to support those that ARE trying to represent us. Then send a friend or two this link and our influence will grow. Invite others to this story and invite them to petition our government. It IS up to us.
Let me announe it here; I signed the petition, because I support the impeachment of VP Cheney. What about you?
Rep. Wexler needs to collect 50,000 signatures to convince his Democratic colleagues that the American people truly support impeachment hearings.
You can sign the petiton here:
http://wexlerwantshearings.com
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Silverghost1 year, 10 months ago
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SC: I think it foolish to spend taxpayers $$ to have a hearing that won't remove the VP before elections, even if the cause is just, of which I don't agree. We will be embroiled in a continued, but escalated hate campaign, that our nation does not need.
Let's elect the next group of leaders, which will be the best referendum on what the American people want. no extra $$ put of our pockets!!! : ~ D -Rev. S
PS, SC: Thanx 4 bringing this to all our attention.
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getreal11 year, 10 months ago
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We have to show these thugs that would be dictators don't belong in America. Clinton's situation had nothing to do with We The People having their rights, freedoms and perseverance being in jeopardy. These people have capitalized by making our nation poor. When I have to pay 750.00 for a two bedroom house that is only worth 350.00 a month or less than that plus fix it too. You can bet this nation has a problem. Right now I don't care what it may cost. I don't think they need a court appointed lawyer. They have made plenty of money. In fact if we were to attach everything they own we would probably see the national deficit cut in half.
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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I remember thinking when Nixon was under fire for obstruction of justice, they'll we'll bring this crook down. But we did.
These are more difficult times, but to conclude that it can't be done is a self-fulfilling prophecy. We can do it, if we unite and exert our influence. What do you have to lose? Let's do more than pontificate.
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Natureboy1 year, 10 months ago
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We can and should do it, to send the message that attacks on other countries, and on our Bill of Rights, will not be tolerated.
But we should also realize that if we think the problem begins and ends with BushCo, we are living in a fool's paradise; we have a long fight ahead of us which goes far beyond electoral politics.
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Francisca1 year, 10 months ago
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" People are just afraid that we would just putting the shoe on the other foot and just doing...what the Republicans did to Bill Clinton " It's the time to show that they are above this kind of vengeance. No?
After all Bush and Cheney will be leaving the White House for good in 13 months!
I believe that New-York Times, Washington Post and Miami Herald can be impartial enough. Can we trust?
I wouldn't like to be accused of interference in your business......Politic has always been very, very unfair!
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Beau78901 year, 10 months ago
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I used to think Democrats shouldn't play the same way as Republicans have. But they haven't been effective doing that--unfortunately, the general public responds well to political moves.
You're right though, that removal from office wouldn't happen within 13 months, if it could at all.
At the same time, there are good reasons for starting impeachment proceedings that have nothing to do with removing Bush and Cheney from office. Investigations would intensify. Constitutional matters might be questioned and resolved. And while transparency of the workings of government has never been so low, intensified investigations in a more public spotlight could reveal details.
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cushi1 year, 10 months ago
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This is not about vengeance for me. This is about justice, pure and simple! I am neither Dem or Repug (thank God!), but between the two, I definitely lean towards the Dems, not that they don't leave much to be desired. NO, for me, this is about bringing despicable criminals to justice. They are murderers, imho: murderers of our constitution, murderers of our true and common values, murderers of our citizens sworn and dedicated to defend us, murderers and torturers of innocents, and mockers of religion. They are bloodthirsty and sadistic, imho, and they MUST be stopped cold.
And if I sound angry, you bet I AM!!!
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rumple4skin1 year, 10 months ago
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Our free press is again complicit in ignoring the valued and necessary opinion of the people. The American people sent a message via the last election which opined we needed a leadership change. By now the putrid stench of betrayal must be filling the nostrils of everyone who voted for courage and their lungs suffocating with disbelief that nothing is being done. We have, for the most part, lost our press to the very big money that is running the nation. We must, again, vote out every democrastinator and republican who wont listen. We won't have and do not deserve a free press if we continue to allow another cycle of 'business as usual'. WE have to recapture our government in order to take back a truly free press.
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donald511 year, 10 months ago
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...but Faux Fox facts still keeps telling you the press (in fact all media minus fox) is liberal... We have to get rid of Fox and hate mongers like Rush Limbaugh to take away the vanguard that defends the likes of the Bush adminstration.
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rumple4skin1 year, 10 months ago
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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The question today I ask Marines when they add "SEMPER FIDELIS" ("Aways Faithful") to their comments, ALWAYS FAITHFUL TO WHAT?
I asked my friend, a retired Marien, this is what he said: "I will never forget that I am an American, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free."
( from the Marine Code of Conduct )
Do we have real Marines on Propeller?
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Natureboy1 year, 10 months ago
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"I will say what I have to say on whatever day I feel like saying it."
I have no doubts ;-)
usmc86, anybody can use any term they choose on this board, as long as it doesn't violate the terms of use.
But if those reading your comments don't understand why you employ a term, and you decline to clarify, then your post has failed the basic purpose of language, which is communication.
I get the sense from your earlier post that you were deriding defeatist attitudes - was that the point?
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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donald511 year, 10 months ago
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usmc, didn't you serve because you believe in the equality of Americans and adherance to the Constitution and international law like the Geneva Convention? Can't you see that maintaining the higher moral ground in this battle of ideologies... like finally trying to win the hearts and minds in Iraq ... are liberal characteristics!
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donald511 year, 10 months ago
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I answered you question for you... all you had to say was that you agree and then I'd know you served for the right reasons! If not the right reasons, that is your problem and evidence of un-american behavior!
I know why I put over 20 years in the US Army... reasons I gave you earlier! But, I've seen a lot of you short timers blowing your service out of proportion to justify un-american behavior... I just hope for your sake and the country's that you realize this someday.
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rumple4skin1 year, 10 months ago
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USMC - I have no reason to disrespect the Marine Corps and do trust you didn't misunderstand my response. My belief that everyone in America has a protected right to say most anything desired is one I hold very dear. When three members of the Judiciary Committe take their case to op-ed pages of the nation's largest Republican owned newspapers and are denied the forum ... what are we sho joind the U.S. military to think? Defend the Constitution of the U.S. What did you become a Marine to defend? Ending each well-phrased comment with your "SEMPER FIDELIS" is respected but cliche. Akin to pasting the worn-out yellow ribbon symbolizing some version of supporting the troops on your SUV. Issues of freedom of speech and expression are never dead in the water, Marine.
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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Silverghost:
We need to restore our constituion that has been trampled on by this administration.
Do you think my motives and those of us who advocate a fair and impartial impeachment of Dick Cheney are rooted in hatred?
If so, your judgement of people is poorly lacking; that, or your partisan bias is blinding you to the facts.
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donald511 year, 10 months ago
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This is supposed to be a response to idiotghost: 7 years of fruitless repug instigated investigation of Bill Clinton... and you speak of the Dems? Almost 20,ooo earmarks from the repug Congress in 2006 and you get upset about Congress doing its job when Geneva and the Constitution have been violated by this adminstration? Talk about no sense of reality! Talk about no scrupples! Talk about broken moral compasses! Talk about un-American behavior!
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rumple4skin1 year, 10 months ago
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USMC - I have no reason to disrespect the Marine Corps and do trust you didn't misunderstand my response. My belief that everyone in America has a protected right to say most anything desired is one I hold very dear. When three members of the Judiciary Committe take their case to op-ed pages of the nation's largest Republican owned newspapers and are denied the forum ... what are we who joind the U.S. military to think? Defend the Constitution of the U.S. What did you become a Marine to defend? Ending each well-phrased comment with your "SEMPER FIDELIS" is respected but, in your case, cliche - Akin to pasting the symbolic yellow ribbon touting some perverted version of supporting the troops on your SUV. Issues of freedom of speech and expression are never dead in the water, Marine. I don't pick battles, wimper fi, I try to respectfully enter intelligent discussions and contribute to the communication thread. Personal attacks, are not encouraged, Marine.
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Hobe1 year, 10 months ago
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Spurned by major newspapers, Congressman takes 'impeach...
Rep. Robert Wexler (D-FL), this Do-Nothing congressman is one of the main reasons the So-Called new democratic Congress is a major Failure and a Major Disgrace...
Vote the Do-Nothings Bums Out.....
Is it Fair to say, one could list Robert Wexler democratic congressman accomplishments on one sheet of 1 ply Tolet tissue???
This is how Your Hard Earned Tax Dollars are being spent..
What a disgrace...
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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Some think a third party will solve our problems. I don't.
What would give the third party immunity from the same corruption inherent in the current system?
The real underlying issue is how to make it possible for any CANDIDATE to get a fair opportunity to win elections in a system that has been corrupted by money from lobbyists and special interest groups.
If lobbying is not outlawed altogether and effective campaign reform is not insitituted, I believe we all, whether Democrat, Republican, or Independent -- we all are pretending that we have something more to do with this government than we actually do.
How does one change a corporate dictatorship? Isn't that the most important question facing us today in America?
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
The people are no longer represented by Congress or the Executive branch, and the Judicial branch has been compromised. That is an obvious statement of fact.
This should not be a partisan issue. To defend our constitution and to restore it to functioning again is the responsibility of all Americans on both sides of the aisle.
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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Klarissa:
How long have you been suffering from this hyperpartisan-mania?
Try standing up for our constitution first; that's what defines us a nation. Did you forget that or was it that you had never learned about our constitution?
If you define your nation by either of the two major politcal parties, you are no longer a believer in democracy.
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Amazing11 year, 10 months ago
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If we do not impeach the yahoos that currently hold sway in the oval office than we will be considered stupid, gutless, powerless on complicit in the actions and lies of this administration. Which one do you want to be.
The reputation and sound values of this nation have been dragged through the latrine by these Bushbots. And it is long past time to ride them out of town on a rail.
My favorite fantasy: Georgie in an orange jump suit sporting handcuffs and ankle shackled he hobbles down a hallway underneath a banner that reads "Mission Accomplished."
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