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Posted By TimALoftis 1 year, 10 months ago in NewsHillary Clinton isn't the only one worried about Barack Obama's post-Iowa momentum. A former top Republican official tells CNN Obama could win a significant portion of the Republican vote in a general election, if he becomes the Democratic nominee.
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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ANIOKLY:
"I can say that, because he lives in Illinois, his state legislative record is well known, and we even know his corrupt friends. He will not come uo clean."
Then post your irrefutable, nonpartisan evidence. Why hide behind innuendo and conjecture? Show me your irrefutable, nonpartisan proof.
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questionseverything1 year, 10 months ago
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obama wants a open honest govt that abides by the constitution
his ethics legislation was proof of that in illinois and then we sent him to the US senate and while the legislation he sponsored and got signed into law wasnt as tough as he hoped,it was tough enough for 2 veteran repubs to leave their positions before the new rules kicked in
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questionseverything1 year, 10 months ago
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check out his website, they have vidioes posted of the surroundings that cnn and im ashamed to say even cspan isnt showing,not only is he filling the inside of the venues,1000s more r standing outside in new hampshire
its gotta be lil scarey for the washington elite
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Spinward1 year, 10 months ago
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Now, why would you ask someone to do something you've never done?
Nonpartisan evidence... from the Guardian perhaps? HA!
(standing by for 6 pages of responses....)
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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The Guardian is hardly ever the sole source I cite. BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION, you are waiting for 6 pages worth of documentation to support my argument. The fact you fail to catch the self-contradiction in your own comments demonstrates just how fatuous you are.
Most people learn by secondary school how to develop a logical argument AND SUPPORT IT WITH EVIDENCE. Apparently, that's a skill you have yet to learn. Perhaps you failed that class, perhaps have little formal education, or perhaps you're a product of a safety-school like Bob Jones University. Regardless, it's laughable you would attack my sources whilst neglecting to provide any evidence to support your own argument.
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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When possible and in the particular thread you are referring, I cite directly from declassified government and intelligence agencies, academic institutions (Cornell, Harvard, UChicago, etc.), and independent organizations (like Pew Research)--all of which are more credible than the sources you cite because it's your MO to cite none. You seem to be under the absurd notion that members should simply accept your unsubstantiated arguments without proof. Well, that's not going to work on those of us who are a little more educated.
It's time for you and ANIOKLY to put up or shut up. Where's your evidence of Obama's corruption? What's the matter? Are you too lazy, too cowardly, or simply too obtuse to support your own arguments? Don't worry--given your past asinine posting history, I won't be holding my breath for such evidence.
Why don't you run along and let the adults tackle the world's problems? You are clearly out of your league.
Pathetic.
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FSU92grad1 year, 10 months ago
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ybjkabkdkaldkd,
As ANIOKLY clearly stated above "We haven't looked at him yet..." He is one of the few candidates REPUB or Democrap that nobody including the media has done their due diligence with this clown...It's going to take more than a fake smile and how good someone looks in a speedo to get elected...When the dirt is dug up and his lack of really ANY experience comes to fruition, he will be exposed and that political smile will turn to a frown as he will be defeated...It's still early, ybdkdkjlskldjdkdk, so sit back, enjoy the show....
Maybe before now and then, he'll bomb Pakistan liked he promised and we can have TWO wars going at once...Funny, I thought you liberals were anti-war people...Hmmmmm...Oh, I get it...If it's a dumbacrap starting one, you're FOR it...Just as long as it's not Bush starting one..Anything, but Bush...I know...
Ybdkdfjdkdfjdkfdfdfd, doesn't that show his lack of experience with comments like these ?
Sheesh !
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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SAFETYSCHOOL92FLUNKIE:
"As ANIOKLY clearly stated above "We haven't looked at him yet..."
You seem to be suffering from either selective eyesight or selective illiteracy. ANIOKLY also said "we even know his corrupt friends. He will not come uo clean." Well, put up or shut up. If this is what you "KNOW," then post irrefutable, nonpartisan evidence of Obama's corruption. All I'm asking for is what any reasonable person would ask--PROOF!
By the way, it's nice to know you and ANIOKLY fail to give Obama the benefit of the doubt you give to Republican politicians you defend. Last I checked, people in the U.S. are innocent until proven guilty, but it seems you and ANIOKLY want to pronounce Obama guilty even before he has even been charged with a specific accusation of corruption.
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FSU92grad1 year, 10 months ago
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As YOU did, ybdogdkdkfdfdkfjaslkdj, I focused on what really mattered to the discussion...We haven't looked at him yet. This accusation may pan out to be true, it may not...And no where in my discussion have I "defended" any of "my" republican candidates. But again, you pick and choose what to talk about instead of sticking to the relevant issues.
I challenge you to compare the scrutiny and personal attacks the Republican party has endured versus Osama. Osama has gotten off relatively easy but that will change now that he seems to be picking up momentum. Then and ONLY then will we see the true dirt on this candidate. Everyone has skeletons, yabkdkdkjfdkdkjfdjdkdk...Even you.
To make Osama out to be some squeaky clean, leave-it-to Beaver, candidate is nievity on your part..His true colors will come out and everyone will see how inexperienced and liberal he really is.
And at the end of the day, a liberal is STILL a liberal...no matter what the packaging
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FSU92grad1 year, 10 months ago
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I can't tell if this is his gallant attempt at the alphabet or lack of creativity for a legible account name...
I think the latter...
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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SAFETYSCHOOL92FLUNKIE:
"I challenge you to compare the scrutiny and personal attacks the Republican party has endured versus Osama. Osama has gotten off relatively easy. To make Osama out to be some squeaky clean, leave-it-to Beaver, candidate"
First, I don't think the Republican Party has endured more than "OSama." "Osama" is likely hiding away in Pakistan. OBama is the one running for the Democratic presidential nomination.
Secondly, I never claimed Obama was a squeaky clean candidate. All I'm asking you to do is provide proof. If you and ANIOKLY are going to charge him with corruption, you better have the evidence to back it up.
WHERE'S YOUR PROOF? If you don't have any, just say so.
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FSU92grad1 year, 10 months ago
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And ALL I'M SAYING IS LET'S WAIT AND SEE !
If I'm wrong, I'll eat crow....If you're wrong, you can eat Obama's speedo...
How's that ?
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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SAFETYSCHOOL92FLUNKIE:
"ALL I'M SAYING IS LET'S WAIT AND SEE !"
No, that's NOT what you're saying. You are defending ANIOKLY who says she KNOWS Obama and his friends are corrupt and that she KNOWS Obama is not clean. ANIOKLY: "we even know his corrupt friends. He will not come uo clean."
A wait-and-see attitude means you are first looking for facts and then forming your opinion. But you've ALREADY formed your opinion and are simply looking for any reason (however tenuous or unreliable) that may confirm it even the slightest possible way. In your mind, Obama is already a "clown," an "inexperienced" novice, and even a Muslim terrorist ("Osama"). You have already decided Obama is corrupt and are simply waiting for the RNC to publish muckraking talking points, negative ads, and distortions to justify your preconceptions.
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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Well, that's not going to work. If you and ANIOKLY "know" that evidence of Obama's corruption is out there somewhere, then put up or shut up. POST YOUR EVIDENCE.
I find it laughable that you don't treat your Republican candidates the same way you're treating Obama. I don't hear you saying that Huckabee, Thompson, Giuliani, and Romney are corrupt politicians whose implicating evidence will soon come out--the way you and aniokly are doing now with Obama. I don't hear you accusing Huckabee, Thompson, Giuliani, and Romney of being terrorists--the way you equate Barack Obama with Osama Bin Ladin.
SAFETYSCHOOL92FLUNKIE:
"I can't tell if this is his gallant attempt at the alphabet or lack of creativity for a legible account name..."
Actually, my screen name is relatively straightforward. A clever person could, and in fact already has, figured it out. But I'm not really surprised you couldn't.
Must be that FSU education...
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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The problem with people like you is your backwards way of vetting a candidate. Instead of looking at the facts first and then forming a conclusion, you form your opinion and then scour for any slip-up (however slight or unreliable) that may confirm it while ignoring the facts that refute.
SAFETYSCHOOL92FLUNKIE
"he'll bomb Pakistan...doesn't that show his lack of experience"
Firstly, this is NOT evidence of the corruption ANIOKLY accused Obama of. Secondly, Obama's statement has drawn support.
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009629563
Edwards agreed. "If I as president know where Osama bin Laden is I would go get him."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/32587
"Retired Air Force major general Johnathan Gration says, 'The U.S. has to be willing to pursue these terrorists to where they're planning their logistics operations. I'm really disappointed with the spin mongers."
The problem is Bush failed to get Bin Ladin in Tora Bora when Bush had the chance.
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FSU92grad1 year, 10 months ago
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No, ybhjjdkdklslkskldkdksk....
We've had this discussion before...Slick Willy didn't get Osama when he had the chance...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/
but keep blaming Bush...It's what you're good at...
"Firstly, this is NOT evidence of the corruption ANIOKLY accused Obama of. Secondly, Obama's statement has drawn support
Drawn support? Well, Hitler drew a lot of support in convincing his people that Jews were bad and needed to be wiped off the face of the earth...Does that mean it's right, ybdkdkdkdkjfjhsjdhdkslkls;la?
Give me a break....Funny, how you mentioned above how you needed "non-partisan" sources, but yet you clearly don"t practice what you preach...
Hmmmm...sounds like a bunch of Democrap presedential candidates that I know....
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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SAFETYSCHOOLDROPOUT:
"Slick Willy didn't get Osama when he had the chance"
YOUR OWN pre-9/11 Commission source admits that this very issue hadn't yet been investigated. It merely asks why a Predator hadn't fired on some nondescript tall figure in white robes. The answer should be obvious--you need MULTIPLE sources of confirmation before ordering missile strikes into a sovereign nation.
It's laughable you would cite speculation before the 9/11 Commission and NOT the 9/11 Commission Report itself. Is the reason for this omission the fact that the 9/11 Commission found no truth to the urban legend that Bin Ladin was ever in Clinton's crosshairs?
The truth is Clinton did try to attempt to strike Bin Ladin once, but missed.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9808/20/us.strikes.02/
"Taliban officials said bin Laden survived the attack, but U.S. officials said they did not know if he survived."
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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If Bin Ladin was such a high priority target for Bush, why didn't Bush go after him in the 9 months before 9/11, even after being warned with a memo entitled "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike Within U.S."? The answer is Bush detested anything that had to do with Clinton so much, he dismantled the intelligence organizations set up by Clinton to hunt Bin Ladin. Bush sacrificed national security for partisanship.
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
"Republicans raised questions about the timing of the strikes...The failure of the strikes, the "wag the dog" slur, the intense partisanship of the period, and the nature of the al Shifa evidence likely had a cumulative effect on future decisions about the use of force against Bin Ladin."
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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"President Clinton was deeply concerned about Bin Ladin. He and national security advisor, "Sandy" Berger, ensured they had a special daily pipeline of reports feeding them the latest updates on Bin Ladin's reported location...The CIA knew more about Bin Ladin's network than any other terrorist group."
"the principals had endorsed strengthening the CIA's capability. To the CTC, that meant hiring and training more case officers and building up capabilities of foreign security services that provided intelligence via liaison."
"Presidential Directive 62 had said specifically that Clarke's Counterterrorism Security Group should report through Deputies Committee or directly to the principals...Rice decided to change the special structure that had been built to coordinate counterterrorism policy. It was important to sound policymaking, she felt, that Clarke's interagency committee--like all others--report to the principals through the deputies."
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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"Within the first few days after Bush's inauguration, Clarke approached Rice in an effort to get her--and the new President [Bush]--to give terrorism very high priority and to act on the agenda that he had pushed during the last few months of the previous administration...President [Bush] explained to us that he had been concerned les an ineffectual air strike [in retaliation for the Cole bombing] just serve to give Bin Ladin a propaganda advantage."
SAFETYSCHOOLFLUNKIE:
"you needed "non-partisan" sources, but yet you clearly don"t practice what you preach"
Is that true? So are you going to accuse the 9/11 Commission of being nothing more than a leftwing rag too? You are OUT of excuses. Just because you disagree with a source's conclusions does NOT make that source unreliable.
It's laughable you would attempt to discredit my sources when it's usually your MO not to present any of your own.
Pathetic.
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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SAFETYSCHOOL92FLUNKIE:
"Well, Hitler drew a lot of support"
Obama is NOT analogous to Hitler. The fact you would even attempt such a superficial comparison demonstrates just how obtuse you really are.
Obama detailed a very limited military scenario in which he would be inclined to order troops to kill Bin Ladin in Pakistan. The viability of this military decision was supported by a number of military experts, including Retired Air Force major general Johnathan Gration. Period.
This has NOTHING to do with Hitler. And your desperation in invoking Hitler's name into a completely impertinent argument is tantamount to you conceding that you have run out of arguments.
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FSU92grad1 year, 10 months ago
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ybdkdfkdkkd;pl;s;;akkjdhhh,
I used Hitler as an example to counter your ridiculous remarks about how everyone supports this ludicrious decision...Just because some retired, ex-junkie, military "expert" as you call it says he supports Osama whacked comment, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do...Oh, but it's ok for you and your liberal party to equate Bush to Hitler, but if I do it, I'm an evil, conservative hate-mongrel !! Sorry, but again you lose...
I could easily throw Petraeus's in your face stating that in HIS expert opinion, the reinforcements are indeed working in Iraq...Do you want to believe that ? Of course, not...You're hatred for Republicans and president Bush clearly is showing here and for every one washed-up military expert that you throw in my face, I can easily provide 2 or 3 that can counter your ridiculous points, so spare me...
Obama kill Osama ? LMAO! Boy, anyone will say anything to get elected...
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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SAFETYSCHOOLFLUNKIE:
"I used Hitler as an example"
If exploiting Hitler's name is the best or the only counterargument your feeble mind can muster, then you are even more obtuse than I first believed.
SAFETYSCHOOLFLUNKIE:
"our ridiculous remarks about how everyone supports this ludicrious decision"
Apparently, it's not so ludicrous as a number of military experts, including a retired Air Force general, agrees with him.
SAFETYSCHOOLFLUNKIE:
"Just because some retired, ex-junkie, military "expert" as you call it says he supports Osama"
Do you claim to know more about military strategy than General Johnathan Gastion? When did you say you were deploying to Iraq? That's what I thought. Just another chickenhawk who talks tough but knows nothing about military strategy.
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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SAFETYSCHOOLFLUNKIE:
"Oh, but it's ok for you and your liberal party to equate Bush to Hitler"
Your chronic illiteracy strikes again. I have NEVER equated Bush to Hitler on this thread or on ANY of my posts.
SAFETSCHOOLFLUNKIE:
"I could easily throw Petraeus's in your face stating that in HIS expert opinion, the reinforcements are indeed working in Iraq"
First, we're not talking about Iraq, FLUNKIE. We're talking about Pakistan. What's the matter? Has your short attention span failed you already? Maybe it's time you took your medication for your attention deficit disorder.
Secondly, for every military expert you quote that supports the Troop Surge, I can quote two who don't support it.
It's laughable that you label only the military officers who share your views as trustworthy heroes, yet those who differ from you are "ex-junkies." How have YOU served your country, you chickenhawk? When are YOU deploying to Afghanistan or Iraq?
Typical
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FSU92grad1 year, 10 months ago
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"It's laughable that you label only the military officers who share your views as trustworthy heroes, yet those who differ from you are "ex-junkies." How have YOU served your country, you chickenhawk? When are YOU deploying to Afghanistan or Iraq? "
You're doing the same thing, dipchit....You take ONE washed-up general who is warped like you and Osama and use this as your only source to make you're liberal points...I'm just showing you that I have plenty that disagree with Osama and this general, so if you want to get into a peeing contest, I can accomodate...
Secondly, you can support the troops without actually serving, so it was only a matter of time before you start the name-calling and the infamous "chickenhawk" remarks...what? Now you're going to start with the "I know you are, but what am I" jibberish? Again your hypocrisy goes only so far...
cont.
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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SAFETYSCHOOLFLUNKIE:
"You're doing the same thing"
No. I'm NOT doing the same thing. You directed an ad hominem ("ex-junkie) at General Johnathan Gration simply because his views disagreed with your own. If I am "doing the same thing," then show me EXACTLY WHERE DID I RESORT TO AD HOMINEMS AND NAMECALLING TO ATTACK A DECORATED GENERAL? Go ahead and quote my exact words. I may not agree with the actions and decisions of some of our military officers, but I:
(1) I recognize we are all on the same team, have the same ultimate goals, but only differ in the manner in which we think those goals can be achieved
(2) have too much respect to slander a decorated war general
Calling a general an "ex-junkie" is slanderous and traitorous, especially for someone who has NEVER seen combat and NEVER sacrificed as much for his country, you CHICKENHAWK. If you can't show some respect for our troops, then maybe you need to get out of this country, you coward.
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SAFETYSCHOOLFLUNKIE:
"I'm just showing you that I have plenty that disagree with Osama and this general"
Firstly, it's possible to disagree with someone while still remaining respectful. Calling General Gration a "warped, washed-up" "exjunkie" does NOT respect his decades of service to his country.
Secondly, how are you "showing" you have plenty to disagree with--by slandering General Gration's name? Is that supposed to be an effective counterargument against a general who has decades of experience in military strategy, you chickenhawk. Is that what they taught you at FSU?
Thirdly, it's laughable you can't see your own self-contradiction. You blame Clinton for failing to assassinate Bin Ladin when Clinton supposedly had a chance (an urban legend, which the 9/11 Commission proved false), yet you slam Obama for saying he would order that strike if he were confronted with the same situation. Well, which is it?
Pathetic.
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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SAFETYSCHOOL92FLUNKIE:
"his lack of really ANY experience"
First, it's wisdom that counts, not experience. They don't always go hand in hand. For example, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney were some of the most experienced Republican politicians, yet by most accounts they performed miserably.
Secondly, if this election were based on experience, then John McCain should have won Iowa and Republicans should be flocking to his campaign.
Thirdly, by November 2008, Obama will have a total of 12 years experience as an elected public official -- 8 at the state level and 4 at the federal level. That is more "experience" than:
Giuliani - 8 years experience all at the municipal level
Romney - 4 years all at the state level
Huckabee - 10 years all at the state level
Thompson - 8 years at the federal level
George W Bush before Nov 2000 - 6 years all at the state level
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FSU92grad1 year, 10 months ago
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"First, it's wisdom that counts, not experience."
Good, then we agree that Osama wouldn't make a good president...
you see, ybdkdjhfdlaskddjfdslkjackass, we can agree on something...
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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Do you have proof that shows Obama has no wisdom? Because I'm pretty sure his Columbia University transcript, Harvard Law transcript, Obama's record as president of the Harvard Law Review, and his record as a professor of Constitution Law disputes your characterization of Obama.
While you're at it, you can present evidence you have of Obama's corruption as well. You seem to be STILL ignoring the initial challenge.
What am I saying? Of course you don't have evidence. You hardly ever present evidence for ANY of your unsubstantiated accusations.
Typical.
What's the matter SAFETYSCHOOLFLUNKIE? Are you too cowardly, too lazy, or simply too obtuse to find this documentation for yourself?
Pathetic.
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FSU92grad1 year, 10 months ago
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oh, ybdkdfjddkakdjhdhfdhdd...Get over yourself. I can see I am gettin to you by the 13-page dissertation you bore everyone with...
"Do you have proof that shows Obama has no wisdom? Because I'm pretty sure his Columbia University transcript, Harvard Law transcript, Obama's record as president of the Harvard Law Review, and his record as a professor of Constitution Law disputes your characterization of Obama."
Yes..His comments made about bombing Pakistan...I have already stated how retarded and unwise that statement was...Do YOU have any proof that he IS wise? His schooling credentials don't mean squat...Case in point, Bush went to Harvard, but to you he's an ignoramus...So, again, Mr. two-face, if you're going to throw schooling around to make your incredible far-fetched remarks, make sure you don't use the same point to belittle someone else...
Next...
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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SAFETYSCHOOLFLUNKIE:
"His comments made about Pakistan...I Have already stated how retarded and unwise that statement was."
Firstly, his statement was supported by a number of military experts, including Air Force General Johnathan Gration. It's laughable you would claim to know more about military strategy than they do. Exactly when are you deploying to Iraq? Only a miserable creature such as yourself would defame a decorated general as an "ex-junkie" simply because his views disagree with yours. Typical chickenhawk.
Secondly, it's equally laughable you can't recognize the self-contradition in YOUR OWN statements. On one hand, you blame Clinton for letting Bin Ladin get away. You chastize Clinton for not taking out Bin Ladin when Clinton had the chance (which the 9/11 Commission proved never actually occurred). Yet, you slam Obama for saying that he WOULD strike at Bin Ladin if Musharraf was unable.
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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Well which is it? Would you or would you not strike at Bin Ladin if you had the chance and your allies were unable to help? Do you even bother to read what you post, or is that more of your FSU education rearing its ugly and ignorant head?
SAFETYSCHOOLFLUNKIE:
"Do YOU have any proof that he IS wise?"
Columbia University transcript, Harvard Law transcript, Obama's record as president of the Harvard Law Review, and his record as a professor of Constitution Law disputes your characterization of Obama. Where's your proof? Oh, that's right. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY.
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ybdogsct1 year, 10 months ago
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FSU:
"Bush went to Harvard"
Bush matriculated there SOLELY because he was a "legacy child." That's how he was accepted into Phillips Academy at Andover and also Yale's undergraduate program. Bush NEVER earned an academic award in secondary school, undergraduate school, and business school.
Obama, however, earned his way in. He also earned a number of academic distinctions--including being named Harvard Law Review's first black president.
This is no secret, and you would know this if you were smart enough to get into one of these schools (as Obama was) or had the proper family connections (as Bush did). In fact, there was a commission recently on whether this practice ought to continue. It's a sad fact that the admissions process is not pure meritocracy. ~1-2% of the student body are still admitted because they belong to wealthy and famous families. You have ZERO experience and first-hand knowledge about this, so you argument has ZERO credibility.
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blinkers1 year, 10 months ago
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Reading this remarkable exchange between ybdogst and FSU92grad, I mistakenly gave the latter an undeserved plus vote. Naturally it should have been a neg. Netscape/propeller's premier "neg" collector,FSU92grad, never fails to disappoint. Ha!
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moxxxxxxxxxx1 year, 10 months ago
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Did you hold Bush to these same standards? If so what happened? It seem character is only an issue when Democrats are in the lead.
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engineer1 year, 5 months ago
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Aniokly
Did you vote for GWB? Probably the most corrupt politician in history. He never cleaned up his act!!
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 10 months ago
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How many have received e mails claiming Obama attended a Madrassa, or that he is a secretly a Muslim who will destroy the U.S. from the inside? I have gotten dozens, they beg people to forward them for the sake of America. Of course they are lies and horrendous distortions. Fox news even was reporting this unsubstantiated nonsense(surprise?). Don't take my word for it check what snopes has to say
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
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Spinward1 year, 10 months ago
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I got it too. I forwarded it to the Clinton campaign to try to cheer up Hillary. You know she was crying today, right?
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Spinward1 year, 10 months ago
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This might shock everyone, BUT... Hillary Clinton's campaign gave that story to Insider Magazine who then reported it. After all, Hillary never lies, right?
Several networks, including Fox, picked it up, BUT Fox reported it as a story published in Insider Magazine.
All of you Fox fans know that from the report, though.
If you disagree with the story, call Insider Magazine or the Clinton campaign and voice your complaint today!
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rimbaud1 year, 10 months ago
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He may BE clean, but it will hard for him to come-up clean once the tswift-boaters have him in their target.
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Beau78901 year, 10 months ago
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Hasn't the public learned by now how to detect swift-boating BS?
Those who want to believe smears will, and there's not much that can be done about it. But that number is not as large as it was--more thoughtful voters are catching on to those tactics. After all, look what the swift-boating of Kerry did for us.
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jordan111 year, 10 months ago
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He may BE clean, but it will hard for him to come-up clean once the tswift-boaters have him in their target.>>>>
If Americans are stupid enough to continue believing these bastards, they deserve what they get. Time for those who do it to grow up, & time for grown up's to put these jerks in their place. And that starts with fox (so called) news! Enough of this crap!
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Shadowolf1 year, 10 months ago
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...now available..."New and Improved Fear & Smear"!!!Sticks to more innocents...covers more issues...scares more voters than EVER before!!! Can't overcome your opponents positions with logic and rhetoric???No Problem!!!With New Fear&Smear,you can tar your opponent like a pro,until nobody remembers what he stood for in the first place!!!
Contact your NeoConArtists for your 'FREE' trial...*
*Free for YOU,the next 20 generations will pay the price...
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IcCaRus1 year, 10 months ago
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jordan-
enough americans were stupid enough to believe the swift boaters, and it got us the Duh-cider.... i certainly dont think we deserved him...
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jordan111 year, 10 months ago
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I agree, those who didn't vote for him don't deserve what he's done, but the others can have it! Wish I could send them my part of the bill, the damn fools.
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gamahuche1 year, 10 months ago
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They're already hard at it over here:
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/01/07/...
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Shadowolf1 year, 10 months ago
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...ani,quit beating the dead horse...it has already been proven that you are lying...
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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I COULD NOT VOTE FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU WERE A FORMER TEENAGER AND YOU COULD NOT BE OBJECTIVE ABOUT OUR CRIME ISSUES WITH TEENAGE GANGS!!
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jordan111 year, 10 months ago
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the American people already know you and your kind for what you really are!>>>>
Ain't that the truth!
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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And you got that I said I would ever vote for the Hill how and where from my statement JQP?
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Lurch1 year, 10 months ago
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you forgot to add...his background will be lied about, his quotes misquoted, and his family attacked from the sidelines.
You know, SOP for the cons.
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scott42611 year, 10 months ago
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But does it really? Look at the s**t we have had to put up with for the last 7 years!
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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What foreign policy experience did your genius leader have??
he couldn't even pronounce countries names...
So, why not hope for the best leader, not the person who is least run through the ringer for a change..
Can you even step out of your blind hatred long enough to see that America is crying out for a leader,speaker, inspirational
policy setter??
Just for one minute..can you??
Your hatred and divisiveness is what has brought us
to this volatile point..
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Lurch1 year, 10 months ago
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>What foreign policy experience did your genius leader have??
Before entering the presidential campaign Bush had already kissed a whole lot more arab men on the lips than Obama ever will.
That counts, right?
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Searchbeam1 year, 10 months ago
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And how about mutual slap-on-the-butts?
We don't know if the belly dancers went a little further to help keep "Close Relations" a little closer!
You know what I mean!
Once again, ani is showing her totally inept and pointless meandering in politics that she knows so little about!
I don't know why she keeps on self-inflicting such wounds and looking so shallow and clueless!
Maybe it goes to early childhood, when she didn't get enough Ken dolls to play with!
LOL!
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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Well that was insightful; it's unlikely that Robin Williams has any fear for his job if that was supposed to remotely pass a humor.
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Searchbeam1 year, 10 months ago
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Thank the Almighty he isn't!
He has done enough damage to last two generations!
A rich, spoiled, incompetent brat gone awry!
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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We'll say this slowly because we know that you are always on the wrong side, but maybe it is because we go too fast.
George bush is NOT...that means the opposite if IS running.
With us so far? (if not, please re-read until you catch up)
Ok.
So, what we're saying, (actually, not to confuse you,)
what we were WRITING (because this is a forum, not a radio show, so it is WRITTEN..Got that?
We were WRITING that Bush, when you people elected him
(that means voted for) you did not care about the FACT
(a fact is a statement of truth that cannot be disproven)
the he (Bush) did not have any foreign policy experience,
and you still supported him.
What we are writing is a question:
Here's the question:
If you voted for him and HE had no foreign policy experience then how could anyone claim that being a senator for 4 years is less experience than Bush had??
Now it is a question, and usually it requires an answer, not an irrelevant fact like "Bush isn't running". We know that!@
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IcCaRus1 year, 10 months ago
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Klarissa-
"hum, I didn't know Bush was running."
oh PLEASE!! Bill Clinton hasnt run for office since '96 and yet you cons seem to work him into every polictcal thread on Propeller, so just spare us!
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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This is why these people add nothing and only subtract from an effort to move ahead..
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ZiegfeldGirl1 year, 10 months ago
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"oh PLEASE!! Bill Clinton hasnt run for office since '96 and yet you cons seem to work him into every polictcal thread on Propeller, so just spare us!"
And you guys whine about it every time, so why are you doing it? You know what they call that?...Hypocritical.
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IcCaRus1 year, 10 months ago
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ZG-
""oh PLEASE!! Bill Clinton hasnt run for office since '96 and yet you cons seem to work him into every polictcal thread on Propeller, so just spare us!"
And you guys whine about it every time, so why are you doing it? You know what they call that?...Hypocritical."
you quoted me, then made a comment that makes NO sense.
of course we complain.. bill HASNT run since '96, and yet conservatives just cant stop bringing him up. as to why we are doing it, well thats simple, were TIRED of hearing about someone who HASNT RUN SINCE '96...
the last part is especially puzzling... we complain about something we dont like, um, whats hypocritical about that? hypocritical would be NOT complaining about something you dont like....
and just so we're clear
BILL
HASNT
RUN
FOR
OFFICE
SINCE
'96
so can we, in a NONhypocritical way, talk about the people THAT ARE RUNNING?
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ZiegfeldGirl1 year, 10 months ago
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Quit bringing up Bush, he isn't running, like the poster you were responding to pointed out. Intentional obtuseness won't work here.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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He is THE PRESIDENT you ninny!!
We NEED to ask him to solve problems OR STOP CAUSING THEM!
Would you please join the world of reality.
You 3rd grade bag of excuses is, well, CHILDISH!
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ZiegfeldGirl1 year, 10 months ago
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We are discussing the campaigns for the NEXT president. Do you have ADD? Maybe you have a good reason for being unable to follow the conversation.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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Clinton made presidential decisions, committed us to a cleaner environment and only gets involved to see that his acts are not undone..Bush has not done anything, so we know he'll be out of sight in 2009.. Don't expect him to be anywhere representing this country, since he is already an internatonal embarrassment..
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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Wow after the volatile divisive first two or three lines the rest just sorta rings hollow
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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You know , my friend, at least you can have dialogue..It was directed to our blind participant, Klarissa..Quite frankly we are part of a 71 % majority an have much to undo, so I'm not interested in dragging the remaining stubborn stragglers anymore..They can remain on the other side of the divide on their small little and shrinking island..
As far as I am concerned YOU (slate) are probably the closest thing to a true conservative on here..
At least you separated yourself from the one man who has been the greatest traitor to the conservative philosophy in American history..(George wallace doesn't count)
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ADAGUY1 year, 10 months ago
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There is no way you can consider Slate a conservative. He is a Republican. You can't be both!
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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You can be both, and that would make you a minority.
I was a fiscally conservative Republican that was socially liberal. I was an optimist who believed that you can take care of others once you take care of your own.
But true conservatives understand the separation of church and state, favor smaller government that is accountable with a balanced budget, a strong dollar, a strong military, privacy rights of the government out of people's lives (except on abortion), support the death penalty, but also respect the land (at least for the hunters and fishermen)
Most importantly they are strong believers in enforcement of laws that include BORDER PROTECTION.
Most true conservatives have melded into the Libertarian category because the republican Party has discarded many of those principles.The problem is that the Libertarians are
selfish and fairly insensitive to humanitarian needs..
at least the Republicans talk about them (even though they don't do anything abouth them)
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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I do appreciate the kind words Coffee and I am conservative on most issues but I'm a moderate to liberal on some issues as well.
Yes I do condemn this president and every president before him for the things he/they did that I think was wrong and applauded him or them for the things I think they did correctly. Regardless of party, if voted in by the majority of the nation, that sitting person is MY president, whether I agree with their policies or not. If not I use the process to try and put someone else in that I think best suits the job at hand.
ADA try worrying about who you think you are and let me do so for a change.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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The lengthy poop swinging match between you and Ada at year ender truly troubled me..
You are both decent folk. I am not certain why it got to that point, but I believe that BOTH of you are bigger than that. Slate, you're what I would call a compassionate conservative.
Like me,you probably are not up at arms about two people of the same sex co-habitating and are likely to support measurable racial protections, and I think you and I agree that Affirmative Action has gone unmeasurable and tilted in the wrong direction. While we agree that there should be a death penalty it should immediately apply to serial killers and the 5% most obvious child rapists etc first. (in this all or nothing world)..
I believe that your biggest Achilles heal here has been with what would be seen as too long of a leash before you stopped
believing that bush was a conservative..
Just my observation..I think it was that position and your extended unwillingness to relent that makes people doubt your philosophy.
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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You know coffee the one thing that makes me unrelenting about this site is the left's unwillingness to even admit that their party is just as capable of being as bad as they claim Bush is. If you look at the history of my stances here on this site, that is the general theme, more than blind obedience to Bush. I'm made lists after lists of things I disagree with Bush on and invited the left to do so about their party but they are unwilling to even admit their own party has faults.
You can't complete the repair to the axel unless you replace both the left and right bearings. Replacing one while ignoring the roar from your favorite bearing will eventually spell disaster.
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Shadowolf1 year, 10 months ago
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Now Slate;that's a bit disingenuous...a while back,you challenged me to come up with a list of what I didn't like about Clinton;and you would match it with what you couldn't stand about Bush...I came up with a list;you reneged...when it comes to politics you smear with a big brush,so politically,you have zero credibility with me...
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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I reneged? Hmmm only if I never saw it.....
Just so you can give me 0.00000956 credibility I'll make a list,,, not that it matters if you find me not politically credible hurts my feelings or anything, but more to show you I don't lie.
· Bush should never have started a war that he didn't intend to win with outright force.
· Bush has done nothing about the borders
· He has created massive agencies that costs way too much and do too little, and some would say takes away our rights.
· He has signed away more money in 7 years than I thought was humanly possible.
· The massive debt
· 3 ttttttttrr... dollar federal budget
· Cronyism
· The inability to communicate never helped much either.
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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Ok theirs me list,,,, like I said if that gives me more or less credibility in your eyes, it will neither make me sleep more soundly nor will I lose any sleep over it. ;-)
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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no, but unlike our president, if YOU can repeat something from the heart, then you do believe it..
I believe you, but more importantly you know you mean it and THAT is why you can sleep at night.
Bush should have insomnia.
Bush stutters because he has been told what to say..
One thing about Clinton..he made me feel good when he spoke,
and I believed what he told me about my country and his concern about my fellow citizens..
To me, the democrats, although gutless and foolish appear to have much more compassion and in times of need, until proven otherwise (and they likely will)are nicer people.
I despise the shell of republican party that remains and I feel sorry for the Democrats..It's easier to vote for someone who I pity, because I still see a heart there..
It's no deeper than that..
mean spirited, selfish and oblivious to the working family vs. gutless, easily distracted and idealogues...(I prefer gutless)
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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((I believe you, but more importantly you know you mean it and THAT is why you can sleep at night.)))
No what I meant was, I made the list of things I didn't like about Bush, that I was Challanged to do by Shadman. The sleep at night thng is because, though I do like to get along I could give a rats ass if someone doesn't like my political views or whom I choose to support. Holding what someone else, with a complete different political view deems to be politically credible as some high value thing would be a wasted effort. I have my views you/they have theirs, if you sleep well God Love Ya.
(((Bush stutters because he has been told what to say.)))))
Every politician is told what to say and how to act,,,, please refer to the Clinton Victory last night for a lesson in exactly that.
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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(((One thing about Clinton..he made me feel good when he spoke, )))
I heard Ted Bundy did a fair job of smooth talking,,,,,,, so did Hitler,,,,,, some people are good at convincing others with the spoken word,,,,, that by no means insinuates that the truth Is being told or that there aren't insidiousness vieled beneth the surface.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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Are you really trying to pick a fight with me???
Hitler made me feel bad and angry..Bundy??
(well they both wore uniforms)
Please..
Can't I tell you something about how I feel and not get sarcastically assaulted??
I liked Clinton, most of us were doing much better when he was there, and they were good times in my life..
Gas was $1.30-$1.45/gallon, people were not at eachother's throats and HE BALANCED THE BUDGET AND forced welfare mothers to go to work. Can I still have that, please???
I was so happy with him that I would have blown him!
(well, not really but I had to say something to emphasize my point)..
Those are MY feelings, please do not compare him to Hitler or bundy.
It doesn't make me feel better, and it does make you look a little less credible..
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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Well yeah if you can say how you feel and not do it like an RPG,,,,,,
Bush stutters because he has been told what to say
To me, the democrats, although gutless and foolish appear to have much more compassion and in times of need, until proven otherwise (and they likely will)are nicer people.
I despise the shell of republican party that remains and I feel sorry for the Democrats..It's easier to vote for someone who I pity, because I still see a heart there..
Read carefully what you said,,, and see if done by me, and add the democrat party instead of Republican and you may be able to see how I took your wordsÃ;¢;Ã;¦.
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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Let's see,,,,, Republicans (which I am for the most part) are
Compassionless in times of others need and are inherently not very nice. Toss in the heartless statement,,,,,, no I just can't understand how Slatey or and other right leaner would take umbrage to those statements, regardless if you were just 'expressing' your deep seeded feelings.
I do hope you have the same passion when Bush is compared with Hitler now that you know it doesn't feel good,,,, I do feel your pain
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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I know how my words look. perhaps we are having difficulty agrreinbg which one is worse, but my vote is that the Republicans represent my present values far less than the democrats..I'm a "dreamocrat" and going to vote for McCain in Florida's primary..Florida is appearing meaningless to the Dems..so I'll vote against RudY..
In true political science a "liberal" is very far from the philosophy of a facist...A conservative with no convictions or compassion is very close to a facist..
Neither is close to Ted Bundy..
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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Right, at least Hitler served in the military.
HE knew what war was like before he sent the youth of his nation off to die..
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 9 months ago
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If you're looking that hard for it, you can always find something to feed a negative claim..
Others brought up the Hitler and Bush comparison, all I did was state the fact that (if you read for the spirit of the conversation) what Hitler did was worse because he had already experienced colleagues being blown to shreds in front of him..
Bush doesn't understand how damaging war is to a family or individual and how it can scar a body and mind for life.
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gamahuche1 year, 10 months ago
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ani - I've never bothered to address you before because you are without a doubt one of the most closed-minded propellerites. An unchangeable opinion is a terrible waste of the brain which you clearly do possess.
What I do find interesting and much more telling from the Republican apologist side is the evidence that Alpha chose Biden as the democrat to "support" and even created several posts around him. I am willing to bet all the tea in China that she is NOT going to switch her "support" to Obama because she is - quite justifiably - petrified by his potential.
Cat's attempt to derail him because he's a smoker is another desperate ploy. No smoke without a fire!
One successful primary does not a President make BUT the impetus is there and the energy is there and you'd better believe that a LOT of "uncommitted" or unaffiliated or cross-over voters are going to jump aboard the Obama train if he continues in the style he displayed in Iowa.
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Searchbeam1 year, 10 months ago
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Right On, gama!@
Polls in New Hampshire are already showing that a significant number of republicans and Conservatives, along with an exodus of Independents are moving en-masse to Obama! Considering that over 45% of voters in New Hampshire are Independents, it looks like a done deal for Obama.
Put that in contrast against the "Sorry Six" tired old men on the Republican side, trying to beat each other with a wet noodle in the ABC News debate on Saturday, and you could say that the game is over!
I feel sorry for Hillary! It seems she lost the wind out of her sail! She looks tired and "Sleepless in Salem". NH!
Obama and Edwards look like a winning ticket to me, and I feel confident that they WILL bring this country back together, minus the NeoFascists!
We should start writing the obituary for NeoFascists. We will need it soon!
And a good pair of sneakers to dance on their graves!
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ProudBlueTexan1 year, 10 months ago
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By GLEN JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer
NASHUA, N.H. - Barack Obama, the new Democratic front-runner, told cheering supporters, "You're the wave and I'm riding it." Hillary Rodham Clinton, her voice breaking, told voters in a little cafe that her White House quest is not just political.
"It is very personal for me," she said in Portsmouth.
THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME; bush's WAR HAS A PERSONAL BASIS, TOO (legacy, revenge)
As another poster stated: I see Obama's relative LACK of insider experience as one of his biggest assets.
On the other side, republicans have nothing to offer that we can't all see through a mile away.
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ProudBlueTexan1 year, 10 months ago
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"Huckabee â;; and free pancakes â;; lured more than 400 people to tiny Mason, N.H., Monday morning to hear his populist economic message. The crowd had to be divided into two seatings to hear Huckabee and his campaign sidekick, actor Chuck Norris.
Huckabee encouraged voters to bring their friends and neighbors to the polls with them. But, he added, only if they supported him.
"If they're not going to vote for me ... let the air out of his tires. Shovel your snow into his driveway," he joked. "Don't let this person do damage to this country while you're trying to do a good thing."
THERE'S YOUR gop. NOTHING HAS CHANGED, AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE. FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR
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gamahuche1 year, 10 months ago
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Fear and Loathing?
Wouldn't it be marvellous to have a fresh instalment of F & L on the capaign trail?!
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 10 months ago
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Contrast that with Obama suggesting that the crowd who gathered to hear him vote, whether it was for him or not.
I agree both Edwards and Obama know enough about how things work inside the beltway, but not enough to be corrupted by it.
That sounds good to me, the last thing we need is another "player". This is what is hurting Mrs. Clinton, people perceive her as status quo in terms of modus operandi.
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Spinward1 year, 10 months ago
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Wow, do you think he was serious?
OR WAS IT A JOKE?
Please, I thought people in Texas were smart enough to know when a guy was pulling your leg.
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Lurch1 year, 10 months ago
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yeah, you can really sense their frustration in not having talking points to whine about against Obama.
Too bad, so sad, grow up and join the solution.
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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Who knows Mr' O may be the next president,,,, if he wins he will be MY president,,,, and the same for the Hill or any of the Repubs,,,, regardless whether I voted for them or not,,,, Good Luck Mr' O,,,, beware the Ides of March,,,,, daggers are easily hidden in skirts.
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IcCaRus1 year, 10 months ago
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slate-
"beware the Ides of March,,,,, daggers are easily hidden in skirts"
OMG, too funny!!
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gamahuche1 year, 10 months ago
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I don't mind being wrong, Alpha.
I'll still continue to ponder the dialectic of such an affirmation from you.
As you state it here I have to admit that its a powerful endorsement..
[No visit to the doctor needed?! :)]
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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These people only do what sean and Rush tell them to do. Sean, Rush and Bob Novak only do what those who control the party tell them to do. It is those that tell the party what to do, and fortunately have an uncomfortable influence on many democrats that should scare us..
THEY are the lobbysists..
Don't EVER expect a fair intellectual exchange from any of these people. They are here to antagonize and protect the bad guys..
I think Slate is the only true conservative here with actual values and facts to back them up...
The rest pretend to be conservatives, but a true intellectual, which a conservative philosophy is (even if you disagree with it) can clearly see why Bush is not worthy of defense.. The rest are pretenders..
Sure they say..well i disagree with him on the border issue, but a true conservative understands that American greatness comes form a thought out COMPASSIONATE plan to help the working person have a chance..bush does not do any of that!
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IcCaRus1 year, 10 months ago
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intellectual... conservative????
um sorry, thats NOT the case... although it USED to be....
these days, the higher the education, the more likely the person is a liberal. why do you think cons consider the nations best colleges and universities as a breeding ground for the "radical left"?
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scott42611 year, 10 months ago
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By calling Barack Obama by his full name, Barack Hussein Obama, you are perpetuating the prejudice of that FOX News has been working so hard to enter into the discourse...that Obama is supposedly a Muslim. He's not. The madrasa myth was debunked a year ago.
The Democrats will become united behind Obama, should he become the nominee (and I believe that he will), and the Republicans will remain in disarray as they try to hold together their uneasy coalition between the greedy bastards, warmongers, xenophobes and religious nuts.
The GOP will lose big this year. You can take that to the bank!
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TakiyaRae1 year, 10 months ago
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TRINITY UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST
Barack Obama mentioned his church during his appearance w/Oprah. Look closely at his church, Trinity United Church of Christ, it sounds more like a racist cult than anything else, with a commitment-not to America, but to Africa.
Please go to this church's website and read what is written there. It is very alarming. Obama is a member of this church & is running for President of the U.S. When you see the first page of their site, you see that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to AFRICA, not AMERICA. Notice too, what color you need to be if you want to join his church! Obama desires to rule over America while his loyalty is vested in a Black Africa!
I cant believe this hasnt been all over the TV & newspapers. This is why its so important to share this w/everyone. To think that he has even the slightest chance in the run for presidency is really scary.
Here's the site for Barack Obama's church: www.tucc.org
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Justice4All1 year, 10 months ago
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"His relatives will be looked at, and by summer we will know more about Obama then he does. His writings will be studied line, by line, and his political record will be memorized."
We know Bush is a lieing war monger. Responsible for the deaths of thousands. But some people still like him. Apparently political records do not mean anything to some people.
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TimALoftis1 year, 10 months ago
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FTA:
The leading Republican strategist, who requested anonymity because this person advises a number of Republican presidential candidates, told CNN "I think Barack Obama is a potential Robert Kennedy or Reagan figure." And "in terms of raw political horsepower, he is the most electable of any of the Democrats and potentially more electable than Bill Clinton. If he ran the right campaign he could appeal to a substantial number of Republicans and Independents."
Sounds like at least one Republican is worried about Obama and his bi-partisan campaign for 'Change'
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DropkickaLib1 year, 10 months ago
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Obama has nothing in his platform even resembling Conservative positions. He won't win by converting Republicans. This is a fantasy.
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jordan111 year, 10 months ago
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No. He won't win by converting all Republicans. But as republicans aren't the majority of americans, no problem.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 10 months ago
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People with Conservative views are a much larger group than you suppose. I'll quote you on this after he loses.
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ksmith01301 year, 10 months ago
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Some republicans make actually look past their conservative positions and see that America needs a leader that can heal the country and bring it together as one. Just maybe.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 10 months ago
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You can't "look past" your basic beliefs. If you are a real Conservative, you can't vote for Obama.
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ksmith01301 year, 10 months ago
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That may be the problem with conservatives. They believe that they are the only ones that can be right and everyone else is wrong. I need more open-mindedness.
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 10 months ago
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Depends on what you think republican ideals are. A plan to jump start some domestic industry and addressing the ludicrous trade imbalance is something any real republican should be able to get behind. Interestingly Obama and McCain according to polls draw plenty of cross-party and independent support.
If you have not read his books a brief synopsis of his plan is here.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
sounds good to me.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 10 months ago
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McCain is not a typical Republican but RINOs like him are continuously held up like this as examples.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 10 months ago
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Is this one of the same "Republicans" who showed up when Anderson Cooper moderated the Republican debate? Obama has nothing in his platform even resembling Conservative positions. He won't win by converting Republicans. This is a fantasy.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 10 months ago
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Northern RINOs no doubt. You can find a few turncoats anywhere. Many of the Neocons are formal Liberal Democrats.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 10 months ago
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How does voting for someone who holds none of your beliefs a good thing? Republicans should vote for Obama because he is less controversial than the current President...I don't think so.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 10 months ago
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How does voting for someone who holds none of your beliefs a good thing? Republicans should vote for Obama because he is less controversial than the current President...I don't think so.
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ksmith01301 year, 10 months ago
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I don't agree with abortion. I would never under any ciricumstances have an abortion, but that doesn't stop me from voting for a pro-choice candidate. Because I believe that abortion is a moral issue and not necessarily a government one.
If a candidate was talking about unity ALL of America, I would vote for him even if I didn't agree with him on any issue.
I believe what I believe, but I'm open minded enough to recognize that what I believe is not always the best for America as a whole.
And the republicans working for Obama's campaign are in Georgia, and I'm not sure you can get more conservative than a red state like Georgia.
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DropkickaLib1 year, 10 months ago
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That's ridiculous. You would betray everything in which you believe, if you do indeed believe in anything. I don't buy that characterization of Obama in any case. Clearly, there is no division worse than the fight between Obama and the Clintons. You have to actually live with the policies of the candidate you elect. Remember that.
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ksmith01301 year, 10 months ago
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I will remember NOTHING YOU SAY!!! There is no one I agree with 100%, and I'm not going to let us not aligning on every issue stop me from voting for the person I think is the best for the job.
I don't know if you've noticed, but the Obama/Clinton fight is very one-sided. Only one team is playing dirty tricks.
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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catstevens,
With all do respects, you must have selective hearing; he has clearly stated repeatedly his areas of concern: ending the war in Iraq, Healtchare, the influence of special interests, profiteering by oil companies, corporate welfare, tax breaks for the wealthy only, better financial opportunities for college bound students, fair trade -- not just equal trade, regulation of Nafta, and there are a few more, but I don't need to relate them as I don't think you agree with any of them anyway --- which is probably why you didn't hear theme in the first place.
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Searchbeam1 year, 10 months ago
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You are talking about Dumbya years!
Total lack of fiscal responsibilities, reckless spending on illegal and unconstitutional war, Billions lost without trace in Iraq, trillions in deficit spending, complete and total incompetency in management!
Does not look like a Republican way of fiscal responsibility now, does it, Klarissa?
Unless, of course, you were dozing off these past seven years!
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Beau78901 year, 10 months ago
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I've said it before, Klarissa, and I'll say it again.
You can pay for government now, in the form of taxes, or you can pay much, much more later, in the form of lost jobs, high inflation, foreclosures, etc.
Kind of like we're seeing as a result of Bush's increasing government expenditures while cutting revenues.
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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Bushes have a great track record with spending... "It began with read my lips" and it is ending after the worst Spree of republican spending that ever hit the American people.
What is it they say about people in glass houses?
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Beau78901 year, 10 months ago
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I think what they say is that people in glass houses had better get some good curtains, so the public can't see them.
The Bush administration has been operating with those curtains drawn for seven years. They never see the light of day.
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bluetexasvalley1 year, 10 months ago
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Yeah, Spade, but don't forget that Bush I is only in 3rd place on spending. Reagan still holds 2nd place.
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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why only better financial opportunity for those on the way to college? I guess the lowly folk with only a HS education should be kicked to the curb?
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ksmith01301 year, 10 months ago
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He wants to ensure those who want to pay for college can attend. It's not relevant to HS because high school is free.
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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oh I see give the haves more opportunity,,,, most people that only made it through HS and not college is because they don't have the means to pay for it.... or knows someone or group that can pay for it for them..... that's ok though,,,,, while the college kids are partying and making class the others are actually learning about real life.
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ksmith01301 year, 10 months ago
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oh I see give the haves more opportunity,,,, most people that only made it through HS and not college is because they don't have the means to pay for it....
Exactly, he wants everyone who wants to go to college to be able to. Finances shouldn't stop anyone from getting higher education. I help kids who want to go to college find the money to do so, so I understand the struggle.
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cushi1 year, 10 months ago
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Slate, your train has left the station with no one on board. What is it that you don't understand about ''giving those who want to go to college but can't afford it an opportunity to do so?'' I feel like organizing a fund raiser to buy you a brain that actually thinks.
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slate1 year, 10 months ago
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Cushi,,, oh my goodness,,, there are so many ways I can twist your little smug remark with, the words, left, station, board, train and brain and the name Cushi to do as you and try and insult you personally. But unlike you I won't go there.
But by all means, please do the fundraiser I can always use the money. I wish you well in that endeavor. Set your goal for what it would take to pay for 4 years at MIT, Yale or Harvard, If I'm gonna buy a brain I want a gooden, just make sure you try your best to find a brain that is in the least moderate though. Please contact me with the details of how the fundraiser's going.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 10 months ago
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Regent doesn't count as a college. it is a religious cult school for morons..Most of the so-called legal mind sin the Bush BADministration graduated from Pat Robertson's sad
propaganda tax exempt money making machine..
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 10 months ago
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cat, the man has written several books on the subject and his concise website is a click away, if your not interested that's your prerogative, but the information is easily available.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
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Wolfie20071 year, 10 months ago
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Cat
All the dem candidates keep talking about change but so far the only change I've heard them really speak about is changing which party is in the white house in 09. Other than that it's just more socialism and that's not new.
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tanglang1 year, 10 months ago
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Lurch1 year, 10 months ago
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Kind of like a Republican talking about family values, morality, small govt, national defense, safe borders, or reduced taxes.
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scott42611 year, 10 months ago
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I actually agree with you about Hillary, but for different reasons. Still, I think your attitude about all things liberal stinks (and believe me, a liberal Hillary is not).
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scott42611 year, 10 months ago
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That was an answer to Tanglang, Lurch. I don't know why this posted under your comment.
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tanglang1 year, 10 months ago
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Hey Scott, you should check me out on threads about immigration. I support voting for liberals to replace any conservative who oted for amnesty. If that's what it takes to get them out of office. I believe that dems should do the same. Anybody who supported that amnesty bill last summer needs to be voted out, regardless of what party you are.
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Spinward1 year, 10 months ago
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I don't know about that, Scott.
Hillary is a classic liberal. Every problem in this world can be solved by higher taxes and government programs. That's the liberal way and I don't see how Hillary is getting away from that at all.
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scott42611 year, 10 months ago
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Oh, really? She takes "triangulation" to a higher level than her husband. Most liberals I know do not hold their wet finger up to the wind to see which way the wind is blowing.
And we liberals don't believe that "every problem in this world can be solved by higher taxes and government programs," but we also do not believe that every problem has a free market solution either!
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Spinward1 year, 10 months ago
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Well, ok.
Which problems DO have a free market solution? (in the eyes of a liberal)
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Lurch1 year, 10 months ago
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>Who is afraid?
Anybody who actually thinks Bush actually invaded a country that never attacked nor threatened in order to protect us.
>And of what for that matter?
Can`t answer that because all the fear-mongering and Bush warring has only made the world a more dangerous place while wasting tens of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars.
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Lurch1 year, 10 months ago
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Hope-mongering and throwing a little light on the shadows.
Yep, that alone is enough to send the cons to the attack mill.
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questionseverything1 year, 10 months ago
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the change is its OPEN,HONEST GOVT
remember the we the people? thats what obamas about taking power from special interests and giving it to the american peoples
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jordan111 year, 10 months ago
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What is that Obama wants to change? I have not heard him say.>>>>
Here are just three things. There's more, but this will do for a start.
1. He will clean out the FCC of its CON appointments that are seeking to trash net neutrality.
2.He will increase Veterans health benefits. (The one's bush gutted).
3.The first act will be to make sweeping reforms in govt. You know, their habit of feeding at the trough of special interests. He already accomplished that with legislation in Chicago.
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ksmith01301 year, 10 months ago
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The way Washington is run. to have the American people heard again. To take away the power of lobbyist and special interest groups and to give it back to the average American like you and me.
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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Just what I noticed too. Yesterday I watched all the Republican candidates debating; a lot of the discussion was about how to "deal" with Obama.
It's what they didn't discuss that concerns me. LOL
They will need to come up with more than his brush with drugs during his youth, using his middle name, belonging to a church that is predominantly black, and making fun of him for believing hope is important for a depairing electorate.
McCain is trying the fear card; "Obama doesn't have the experience necessary to protect the nation against the terrorists."
It appears that their attack machine is going to need to use the Christian Revisionist's bag of tricks, and make up a new history for Barack's life.
I get the feeling that most people expect dirty campaign tactics will escalate, if he continues to show prodigious results.
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Will13131 year, 10 months ago
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he might have used narcotics in his youth
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you're right he should be running as a republican...
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Searchbeam1 year, 10 months ago
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ani,
Can you think for yourself?
Do some fact checking before you start banging the keys!
You can do some Google search to improve your knowledge, you know!
And you can also learn the art of using your brain, rather than repeating someone else's "talking points" and appearing ignorant!
I know you can do it, ani! All it needs is your effort!
LOL!
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gamahuche1 year, 10 months ago
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He has owned up to having used narcotics ani, just so that people can't make accusations behind his back. A bit smarter than both of the last 2 presidents.
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Searchbeam1 year, 10 months ago
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RepCons have lost their sense of knowing the truth!
Such a sad story!
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>>crocodile tears!
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Beau78901 year, 10 months ago
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aniokly:
Are you talking about this legislative record in the Illinois Senate?
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2007/07/29/us...
Why don't you ever post links to back up your false assertions?
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Radiofreeeuropa1 year, 10 months ago
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Good heavens man, look at the underhanded nonsense that was done to McCain by his own party, phone calls and emails claiming his wife was a drunk lunatic, claiming his adopted Indian child was a black baby he had out of wedlock. I have already seen e mails claiming Obama is a Muslim sleeper terrorist. There is no limit to the filth people will stoop to. But most Americans don't like this. I think they are wise to this kind of thing now. I think it backfired on Romney in Iowa. Out with the old and in with the new. No more Jonestown punch for America.
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Lurch1 year, 10 months ago
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>Beating Hillary and beating the front runners on the Republican side are two different things entirely!
Yes, the former is difficult.
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ksmith01301 year, 10 months ago
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And this poll was before the Iowa Caucus. And if the democrats and independents come out in the numbers they did in Iowa (236,000 or so voting Democrat, twice the average turn out, in comparison to the 125,000 for the Republicans), beating the republican nominee will be easy.
Zogby (December 20): Senator Obama Only Democrat Beating All 5 Republicans
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1404
Obama 48 - Giuliani 39 ( 9 Obama Wins)
Obama 47 - Huckabee 42 ( 5 Obama Wins)
Obama 53 - Romney 35 ( 18 Obama Wins)
Obama 47 - McCain 43 ( 4 Obama Wins)
Obama 52 - Thompson 36 ( 16 Obama Wins)
USA Today/Gallup: New Poll - Senator Obama Most Electable Democrat In 2008
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/s...
Obama 51 - Giuliani 45 ( 6)
Obama 53 - Huckabee 42 ( 11)
Obama 57 - Romney 39 ( 18)
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Searchbeam1 year, 10 months ago
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Cat,
I am sorry to say this, my friend!
Get ready for the biggest political disappointment of your life!
None of these "Six Tired Old Men from the Geriatric Ward" seem strong enough to face Obama! Considering that 30% to 35% of Republicans are switching to Obama, along with 45% of Independents, what is left is not enough to even elect one to PTA!
Republicans are wandering in the woods, completely misled by their President and left to defend themselves against his evil policies and obscene wars!
A choice between McCain and Romney!
I don't know what to make of it.
An Odd Couple?
Raisins On The Vine?
A League of their Own Age?
Six in the Fix?
Cane Men?
Walkers for President?
Someone said "A Stream on Viagra does not make Niagara"!
LOL!
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Searchbeam1 year, 10 months ago
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Let me paraphrase it:
Even if a 2" nail takes Viagra, it doesn't become a 10" stake!
(I hope you got it this time!!!)
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Searchbeam1 year, 10 months ago
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If Bloomberg enters the race, it will be good for the economy.
His billions would help a lot of small businesses make their payrolls.
Of course, he will lose! But what a glorious contribution to the economy!
LOL!
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IcCaRus1 year, 10 months ago
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Klarissa-
oh please let him enter.... he'll take more votes from cons than he will from Dems. just as nader guaranteed Duh-byas victory, so will Bloomberg guarantee a Democratic victory... so, by all means, please jump in Mr Bloomberg.
you think Obamas unqualified?!? hes way more qualified than Bloomberg
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Beau78901 year, 10 months ago
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cat, this is a response to your comment way above this one--I got to the party late.
Here's Obama's "one-page resume." It's pretty deep, and condensed down to fit on one web page:
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/obama/cv.html
As for what he's going to change, that would be the culture of politicizing every move of the government. A change that is sorely needed.
And you're right--beating Hillary and beating the Republican front-runners are two very different things. Hillary's a whole lot harder to beat.
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IcCaRus1 year, 10 months ago
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cat-
"Beating Hillary and beating the front runners on the Republican side are two different things entirely!"
yep, beating the Reps will be EASIER!
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Beau78901 year, 10 months ago
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This comment ended up in the wrong place--it's for cat.
Seriously? Smoking is why you wouldn't vote for him?
"Why would I want to vote for someone who directly contributes to the over-all health concerns that are pushing our heathcare cost thur the roof."
I'd ask the same thing about any Republican candidate who doesn't want better regulation of food and other consumer products, and who wants to gut environmental protections.
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Spadecaller1 year, 10 months ago
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Cat:
Talk about blowing smoke!
Maybe you can find something else on him equally as relevant.
Let's see; you can dig up an old girl friend. Wouldn't that be more better suited for the Republican attack machine?
Spend a million dollars and manufacture TWO X-girl friends (two for the price of one) that he molested while snorting cocaine and smoking dope. Would that make you happy? Would that be better for the country?
Get the shovel!
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Searchbeam1 year, 10 months ago
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JQP,
(Actually, cat is a 'she')!
And a very nice lady, too!
It is so sad that she had to be Republican!
Oh Well!
Stuff happens!
Some day she will come to the "Dark" side!
LOL!
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