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Many preachers and politicians have joined together in a new movement: to distort and rewrite history to favor their own prideful agendas. On the airwaves they routinely condemn atheists claiming Adolph Hitler was not a Christian. Heartfelt objections to historical fact must not become the impetus for compromising the truth.

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Spadecaller
Jan. 14, 2008, 11:12 a.m.
The power of history is great.
As Christian historical revisionism infiltrates mainstream America, it is important for the rest of society to recognize our need to craft an accurate, compelling, and a shared story of American history, particularly as it relates to the function of religion in government and politics.
More than needing to know how Christian fundamentalism is wrong, we ourselves must know where we stand in the light of history, in relation to each other.
We must know how we can better foresee a future united, when freedom from religious prejudice, and the prospects of religious warfare will cease to threaten our world.
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Bkumm
Jan. 14, 2008, 12:01 p.m.
I think we must understand that while Hitler was not an atheist he was also not a believer in the Word. Hitler would have said anything necessary to achieve his goal of power.
The Catholic Church in Germany bears some responsibility in the Holocaust, but the Catholic Church as a whole does not and even the Catholic Church in Germany should be condemned as individuals and not part of the whole. The Pope at the time was in a tenuous position and so it was difficult for him to make a statement against the Holocaust. Further, he felt it was hypocritical to condemn the NAZI's without condemning the Communists.
It think it is tragic that people use something like the Holocaust and the NAZI's for their own political gain. It was a terrible period in history and we should never forget the people that died, but it should also not be used for political ends.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ant...
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KMFDM
Jan. 14, 2008, 12:02 p.m.
Thank you Spadecaller. Though some would disagree, it is not my intent to discredit anyones religion. Though, when a certian group denies a certian fact about their own history and then attempt to pin it apon another group, then they bring much dishonor and shame to their own selves. Blemishes should not be hidden, but to be reminders to not repeat past mistakes.
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Dicax_Maximus
Jan. 14, 2008, 12:46 p.m.
SC - Good article. It appears as if the (my take) allegorical implication has been missed.....
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Spadecaller
Jan. 14, 2008, 12:52 p.m.
The real threat facing our nation and the world is fundamentalism, whether it be Zionist fundamentalism, Muslim Fundamentalism, or Christian Fundamentalism; from these sources come the acts of terrorism perpetrated on the lives of innocent people.
Hitler was also a fundamentalist and used his relgion to exploit the politics and government of Germany. Whether he was a devout believer of not makes little difference. People are judged by their conduct not by what we choose to believe about their inner beliefs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaVOcGEvi0A&feat...
Is a person guilty for their thoughts or for their deeds?
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Bkumm
Jan. 14, 2008, 1:23 p.m.
Hitler was a ardent and fervent German nationalist. The Reich was his god and taking the Fatherland to glory was his religion. He believed that Jews stood in the way of that glory for racial reasons, but more than that, he needed an internal scapegoat to focus the attention of the people so that fear would lead them running into the arms of the NADSP. Which it did. Racism was rife during this time and no group was more persecuted than the Jews.
However, making a claim that Hitler was Christian or atheist is, in the view of history, irrelevant. In the end, his religion or lack thereof is not what made him the man he was.
We argue about this on a pretty regular basis and demagogues like Coulter bring it up, but in the end it's not relevant. If religion is the primary motivator for someone, then it becomes important (the Inquisition, the Crusades, the Jihads), if it is not, then it is not important.
Well written article, Spade. It's gets a person to thinking.
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Spadecaller
Jan. 14, 2008, 1:31 p.m.
Thanks Bkumm:
As you clearly stated, "It think it is tragic that people use something like the Holocaust and the NAZI's for their own political gain."
Why is it tragic?
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TheRealizer
Jan. 14, 2008, 1:40 p.m.
In my opinion there is nothing on the earth as inherently evil as organized religion. Perpetrators of this fraud live a life of luxury on the backs of their believers!!!!!!!!!
Nuf said.......
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icono1
Jan. 14, 2008, 1:47 p.m.
Isn't it interesting that 'our past' seems to repeat itself again in the guise of contemporaty fundamentalist Religion.
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Albmore
Jan. 14, 2008, 2:19 p.m.
Hitlers views in life had nothing to do with Christianity but of self motivation. I live here in Germany and have talked with many who lived through the Hitler era.
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Wolfie2007
Jan. 14, 2008, 2:30 p.m.
Hitler was an insane madman.
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KISA452a
Jan. 14, 2008, 3:56 p.m.
OK, someone help me here. Is Propeller designed specifically to allow various people to write blogs and then post them as real news? No idea if SC is right in his assessment, but... Very bizarre idea :/
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Lazloe
Jan. 14, 2008, 3:58 p.m.
Isn't this the way the various bibles are written? Each church's doctrine is the right one and all others are made up and are false teachings. The King James version of the bible was made up of five other bibles at the time to try and satisfy the other doctrines of England at the time.
Of course the Catholics swear up and down that their Latin version is the only right one because it is a Catholic doctrine. Of course, we have to believe that the Jewish bible is the only right one, along with the Muslim's only true bible.
Hitler was an atheist? According to which doctrine? I am surprised that the Nazi's didn't create their own version of the only true bible.
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TedPRR
Jan. 14, 2008, 4:26 p.m.
"joined together" = another example of fantastic U.S. education. What would joined apart be? Also horrible use of prepositions: signup, signon, logon, logout, check out, etc.
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joeblowe
Jan. 14, 2008, 4:44 p.m.
I have no idea what difference it makes as to whether or not Hitler was a christian, a non-christian, a pagen, an atheist, or a priest. He was responsible for more murders than anyone else in recent history. Whether you try to blame it on his invisible friend - or make it an issue based on whether or not he HAD an invisible friend doesn't change that one little bit. And if he thought he could confer with dead spirits by way of a Ouija board or some such, how exactly is that different from asking advice of an invisible friend that never talks back?
The real lesson is to NEVER invest too much power in any individual or group - REGARDLESS of their stated intentions or rationalization. They will surely abuse it to the severe detriment of others. This is why we (supposedly) have three branches in our government to keep a balance. As we have seen the past 7 years, when 2 of the branches do not EXERCISE that power wisely, the other one WILL abuse it.
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Charlson
Jan. 14, 2008, 4:48 p.m.
It is so much easier to hate atheists if you have some truely evil men you can call atheists as an example.
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Spadecaller
Jan. 14, 2008, 6:33 p.m.
midleft
Now Locky is calling you the devil. Ha!
BTW this was not a discussion about disparaging the views of anyone's system of beliefs -- not a criticism of any religion or of atheism either. It is simply about those fundamentalists who are rewriting history and labeling Hitler an atheist. Their behavior is a threat to religious freedom, tolerance, and pluralism in America.
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TheRealizer
Jan. 14, 2008, 5:07 p.m.
Possibly we should explore some historical examples of religous intolerence. On 9 11 1857 a militia commanded by duly appointed leaders of the predominant (only) religous cult in the territory of Deseret, western north america, massacred 120 men, women, and children. This event took place at Mountian Meadow in the southwest part of what would become the state of Utah. Initially This was blamed on native americans, later found to be only partially true. One commander was later executed for this crime, others involved were never charged........