'Radical cleric' Mike Huckabee »
Posted By ZiegfeldGirl 1 year, 5 months ago in NewsMike Huckabee's proposal Monday night to rewrite the U.S. Constitution in the words of his God got virtually no mention in mainstream media today. But it's all over the web, and it won't go away because it captures the radical lurking behind the aw-shucks demeanor.
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ZiegfeldGirl1 year, 5 months ago
I submitted this under "Religion" rather than "Politics" because it is more about religion. Mike Huckabee puts his Religious views over the sanctity of the Constitution.
"I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution," Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."
He sealed his fate with that statement. I will NEVER vote for that man.
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Spadecaller1 year, 5 months ago
ziegfeldgirl
Thank you for posting this story and inviting me to review it. I applaud your stance, "I will NEVER vote for that man."
We live in a free country, but those who promise NOT to defend our constitution because of their personal religious convictions do not belong holding offices in our government.
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Justice4All1 year, 5 months ago
This man is dangerous. I hope more people can see that he represents everything that this country seeks to defend itself from.
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Raiderwall1 year, 5 months ago
Great story, ZiegfieldGirl. Huckabee is certainly playing up to his base to win the nomination. It's his only chance of winning, and he's making the most of it, after languishing in the lower tiers of the race. However, rewriting the constitution is a deal breaker with most voters and will end Huckabee's campaign, hopefully before it really gains momentum.
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bobo-in-texas1 year, 5 months ago
Me too. He won't get the nomination because of these type of gaffs but if he did, I'd stay home on election day.
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Searchbeam1 year, 5 months ago
ZG,
You surprised me with your post, and more so with your comment!
It is very refreshing to read that from someone with strong Conservative leaning!
I applaud you, and agree with you 100%.
Peace and Blessings!
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markoller1 year, 5 months ago
What matters is who the Urosevich brothers vote for. Bob and Todd Urosevich make Mike Huckabee seem like a Unitarian, and they control the two largest voting machine companies: Diebold and ES&S.
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Bkumm1 year, 5 months ago
If you're not afraid of Mike Huckabee, you're not paying attention. I'm reminded of the theme song to "Monk" every time I hear Huckabee speak or see his name.
"It's a jungle out there
Disorder and confusion everywhere
No one seems to care
Well I do
Hey, who's in charge here?
It's a jungle out there
Poison in the very air we breathe
Do you know what's in the water that you drink?
Well I do, and it's amazing
People think I'm crazy, 'cause I worry all the time
If you paid attention, you'd be worried too
You better pay attention
Or this world we love so much might just kill you
I could be wrong now, but I don't think so
It's a jungle out there"
Because that's EXACTLY what he (and in my opinion all of the contenders except Obama) wants us to believe. If we're scared, he wins.
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blinkers1 year, 5 months ago
"Monk"'s a great show (it's even on TV here in Japan).
And Bkumm's reminder of the words to Randy Newman's great song have a special relevance to the topic under discussion.
Yes, "It's a Jungle out there"
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rightwingliberal1 year, 5 months ago
want to stop constitution realignment to god
be a strict interpitation of it
not to read and change it like both do on both sides strict constructionist reading of it is only way to protect both sides from themselves it is not a living thing to change over time keeep doing that and wait and see what problems u have in the world
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Wolfie20071 year, 5 months ago
rightwingliberal
Well, at least, you are making sense and you do understand the
Constitution. You are the only one on this tread as of now that I can give a positive.
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Bkumm1 year, 5 months ago
I disagree with you completely. The Constitution was meant to be changed or there would not be a process in the document for doing so. It's really that simple. If we couldn't change the Constitution, for instance, African Americans would still be slaves and women wouldn't have the right to vote. Also, the popular vote would not determine the vote of the electors for the electoral college in your state. The Constitution can and should be changed if there is a need.
However, in this particular case, Huckabee is wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Charlson1 year, 5 months ago
If you want to change the Constitution, there is already a process to do it called Amendments. It's a long laborous process and not something to take lightly. Huckster can try but will fail in the attempt. He was pandering to the religious evangelical right in SC.
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ZiegfeldGirl1 year, 5 months ago
There was always something about him I didn't like, apart from his crappy record on illegal immigration, maybe the emphasis he put on being a preacher? I have no problem with my President being a religious guy, but he HAS to know where to draw the line. And Mike Huckabee obviously does not. He is as dangerous as the radical Muslims, both want to co-opt the government to fit their religious views. The difference, they do it with bombs, he wants to do it with legislation. If we vote for him, we are giving him a tacit "okay".
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AnteUp1 year, 5 months ago
ZiegfeldGirl ~
I'll agree with everything you said up to, "they do it with
bombs", re: radical Muslims. If I take a look around the
globe of late - I'm hard pressed to find a place where
anyone's been using the olive branch - and that certainly
includes us.
They may strap a bomb belt around their ribs instead of
firing a payload from the barrel of a tank or dropping it
from a jet - but ultimately, the result is the same. I don't
believe radical Muslims are the MOST violent group on the
face of the earth - they're just part of the club.
For a Palestinian state? Democracy & Liberty? Whatever label
the leaders choose to tack on it's the same. As president,
when it was time for Huckabee to start his war - I guess
we could call it the Crusades Redux!
Separation of church and state - it's the only way to go!
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ZiegfeldGirl1 year, 5 months ago
And to anyone who thinks, "Well, at least he's a Christian. I am too so it won't bother me." I encourage you to think for a minute about the differences from sect to sect, from synod to synod, from church to church, from preacher to preacher. The things he believes, while "Christian" may not be the things you believe. Look at how different churches treat Communion. To some, it is symbolic of the last supper, they serve unleavened bread and wine. Others serve grape juice and crackers. Others view it as being the actual body and blood of Christ, and while some feel it happens when you receive it, others believe it is transfigured from the moment it is blessed by the priest. Can you imagine the kinds of issues that would arise if religion was used as a gauge in every aspect of government? And then you have to put yourself in the shoes of those who do not worship the same God, or any god. The variations are endless. You absolutely CANNOT allow religion into government.
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Bkumm1 year, 5 months ago
Your awareness on this issue is refreshing. Many people do not see the problem with this and I applaud you for your insight.
What we've done is made many things in this country about religion and not about rationalism. When a candidate is asked if they "believe" in evolution, you know the country is going to hell in a handbasket. You know that when a candidate has to spend an hour long speech explaining that his religion isn't going to try and take over the country if he becomes President, you know the country is in it's descent phase. When the conservatives encouraged support from the religious right and the religious right realized they had the numbers to swing elections, everything came to be about religion.
Ladies and Gentleman, this is your pilot speaking. This country is in its descent phase, please put your seat backs in their full upright position, put your seat belts on and kiss your asses good-bye, because ladies and gentleman, we're screwed.
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Wolfie20071 year, 5 months ago
What does the author mean that it wasn't covered by the main stream media just the net? The first time I saw this story, with a direct quote from Huckabee was on Fox. Also, I think you guys are really overreacting. I'm not a Christian and his statement didn't make me grab my chest and go into these kind of spasms. If you don't like him don't vote for him but, geeze, you are sounding like liberals. Take a break!
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Bkumm1 year, 5 months ago
I am a liberal.
If he wins, you don't think that he'll try to do exactly what he says he'll do? I think he will and so rather than dealing with immigration or energy independence we'll have to have a Constitutional brawl between the hyper-religious, the moderates and the non-religious.
Does that sound like something we need or want? I don't think so.
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AnteUp1 year, 5 months ago
Wolfie2007 ~
Hah! Trying that old "L" word fear factor - eh?
If conservatives and icky neocons can declare themselves
proudly? Then it's time for LIBERALS to "out" themselves.
Use it as a slur anytime you want - I will compliment you on
an apt identification. I am a liberal,liberal,liberal!
Ahhhhhh - that feels better.
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SonOfTheMask1 year, 5 months ago
Well, I'm a Huckabee fan, and I agree with his statement. Does that make me a zealot? (Lots of heads nod yes, here, I'd bet).
Did Huckabee say that the Constitution should be amended to ensure that everyone is a Christian? No, he said it should be held to God's "standards" rather than changing God's standards to fit the Constitution. Well, what exactly might that mean? He's talking about values. How about, life is precious, therefore abortion should be illegal. I'm behind that 100%. How about, marriage should be between and man and a woman. Yup, I'm 100% behind that too. Those are values. Just because value systems are informed by religious beliefs doesn't mean that those values are invalidated. If abortion were reversed back to being illegal, that doesn't impose Christianity on anyone. However, pro-abortionists will try to tell you very differently.
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crespi1 year, 5 months ago
What simonsez says below eloquently covers it.
Even though Mask brought up abortion I won't mention Christian violence against gays.
(Man, do I want to...)
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Bkumm1 year, 5 months ago
I don't know if it makes you a zealot, but it does make me question your judgment.
Here's what he said:
""I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God," Huckabee said Monday night in Warren, Mich. "And that's what we need to do, is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards, rather than try to change God's standards.""
What he said was that he wants to amend the Constitution so that it's in "God's standards" whatever those are. He may be talking about values, but he's talking about imposing those values, making those values the law of the land by placing them in the Constitution.
Does he want to ensure that everyone is a Christian? No. Does he want to make everyone live under his particular Christian values? Yes.
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cherev1 year, 5 months ago
"Did Huckabee say that the Constitution should be amended to ensure that everyone is a Christian? No, he said it should be held to God's "standards" rather than changing God's standards to fit the Constitution."
There's a great danger here; who's to say that Huckabee or you are the best judge of what G-D's standards are? Amending the Constitution for any reason needs deep consideration and it would be wise not to say anything that might be misinterpreted.
"abortion should be illegal."
Why? The reality is that, while life should be precious, it's not and we see the evidence of that every day. I'm all for changing people's values by example so that we all agree life is precious but it's not something you can legislate.
"Just because value systems are informed by religious beliefs doesn't mean that those values are invalidated."
We all have to be careful about the slippery slope.
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bushiesRbonkers1 year, 5 months ago
Except that they would be "Mike Huckabee's Standards," not "God's Standards." Can the nation survive another president for whom every stray thought is a message from his "personal" God?
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Charlson1 year, 5 months ago
"If abortion were reversed back to being illegal, that doesn't impose Christianity on anyone. However, pro-abortionists will try to tell you very differently."
Just values or morals that Christians hold dear and I do not.
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AnteUp1 year, 5 months ago
SonOfTheMask ~
I posted this yesterday in another comment on the Huckster:
From "Christianizing US History" by Chris Hedges in this week's Nation magazine:
"I hope we answer the alarm clock and take the nation back for Christ", Huckabee told a Baptist convention in 1998. He assured the crowd that he had not entered politics "because I thought government had a better answer. I got into politics because I knew government didn't have the real answers, that the real answers lie in accepting Jesus Christ into our lives."
I know not what course others may take but give me.......
- remember that old thing?......well, don't give me Huckabee
as a President. This country is doomed unless we elect a
president who performs his/her duties in a non-denominational and non-partisan manner.
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scott42611 year, 5 months ago
With all due respect SOM, I disagree with you and I consider your statement as evidence there are those among religious conservatives who absolutely will not accept anything less than an outright ban on abortion (not safe, legal and rare...to borrow a phrase from Bill Clinton, but an outright ban) and who view people like me who happen to be gay as second class citizens who do not deserve certain rights (And look, I know many liberals cannot accept gay and marriage in the same sentence. Personally I don't really care what it's called but I DO think that I deserve the same protections and rights with a long-term partner as ANY heterosexual married couple. Those are my values...and I believe they stem from my relationship with God AS I UNDERSTAND Him.).
And for the record, I live in Arkansas and the thought of a Mike Huckabee presidency gives even many Republicans here the willies.
He will never be President. And I thank God for that!
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djn3nunez31 year, 5 months ago
he said it should be held to God's "standards"
These?
ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'
TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'
FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'
FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'
SIX: 'You shall not murder.' (I agree)
SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'
EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'(I agree)
NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.' (I agree)
TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'
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decipher1 year, 5 months ago
""If abortion were reversed back to being illegal, that doesn't impose Christianity on anyone.""
the burden won't be the imposition of christianity. it will be botched abortions and dead girls who, for one reason or another needed to have them.
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ZiegfeldGirl1 year, 5 months ago
Wow:
"Huckabee Adviser Called For 'A Cop In Front Of Every Mosque'"
"During their conversation, Pinkerton declared that he would handle "American Muslims" by putting "a cop in front of every mosque" in America"
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/17/...
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simonsez1 year, 5 months ago
Mask, I want you to imagine what President Huckabee's Cabinet would look like. Do you think he can attract truly qualified people to fill the critical positions of our Government?
His primary litmus test for his candidates could be an aggressive approach to Christianity and a commitment to creationism.
Anyone that brags about eating squirrel in college is not my cup of tea and I live in Atlanta.
"One dope from Hope is enough"! (Author unknown)
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NelsonR1 year, 5 months ago
America is alive and well when the majority see Mr. Huckabees comment for what they were, atrocious.
Allow this to be a lesson for all those who seek elected office. Religion is a personal matter and not to be injected or forced into mainstream America.
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Harbeas1 year, 5 months ago
I don't think Huckabee has enough national support to win. He won't get my vote because he doesn't support enough of my views. There isn't a candidate out there that will support all of my views. I will rate each view with my level of importance and then check each candidate's stand on them.
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Mutainia1 year, 5 months ago
One thing I like about Huckabee, is that he didn't lie. I know that what he said has totally destroyed his chances of becoming President, but, let's face facts here... he, again, didn't lie. He went out of the race for President by being truthful about what he wanted no matter HOW appauling it was to those who don't believe like him. I think that's cool. Someone being truthful for a change, no matter HOW stupid it sounded to so many.
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Bkumm1 year, 5 months ago
You're right, he should be applauded for that, no matter how crazy it makes him sound.
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NelsonR1 year, 5 months ago
Mutainia, well I agree and his ties to God are not for America as a President.
Now if Hillary was truthful she would never be elected. She is one power hungry "experienced" women who will continue the same corruption that has prevailed in Washington D.C.
I'm sick of an "experienced" politico.
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