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Posted By STONERS 1 year, 5 months ago in NewsA training manual for Canadian diplomats lists the United States as a country where prisoners risk torture and abuse, citing interrogation techniques such as stripping prisoners, blindfolding and sleep deprivation.
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TheRealizer1 year, 5 months ago
Reports like this should make everyone reading it proud to be a United States citizen.
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pongping1 year, 5 months ago
Proud because we are like Syria, Saudi Arabia, China, Isreal and a few others when it comes to treatment of other human beings?
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ProudBlueTexan1 year, 5 months ago
"He said the U.S. does not authorize or condone torture. "We think it should be removed and we've made that request. We have voiced our opinion very forcefully," Wilkins said."
Hey Canada, tell 'em K.M.A.!!!
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 5 months ago
We know. Despite the yahoo cowboys who think we can do no wrong because everyone else stinks and isn't as good as us,
WE know!
I happen to favor torture in the circumstances of war.
The old rules don't work.
If we are gentlemen this will not prevent them from blowing themselves up amongst innocent civilians or beheading kidnap victims.
I believe that there are come combatants who would think twice about getting captured alive if they thought the could have information that could be "pried" out of them to save innocents...
This is very violent world and we have to decide who we are really going to go to extremes to protect..Don't we?
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Candida1 year, 5 months ago
MRCOFFEECAKE: "I happen to favor torture in the circumstances of war. The old rules don't work. If we are gentlemen this will not prevent them from blowing themselves up amongst innocent civilians or beheading kidnap victims."
How has it worked so far? Has it prevented the suicide bombings or the beheading of kidnap victims?
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automan9091 year, 5 months ago
There is nothing wrong with torture if it is done to save American lives. I am all for it under the right situation.
Gitmo is fine with me too. So is dropping a nuke or two for freedom. It worked in Japan. The war ended and many American lives were saved as a result. A lot of us would not be here today if our fathers and grandfathers had to invade the shores of Japan. It's the cost of freedom. You have to fight for it.
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thaw1 year, 5 months ago
the problem is that the japanese did not have anything comparable to retaliate with. and knew that it would only escalate further if they did.
do you want to take the same risk with your new enemies??
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Candida1 year, 5 months ago
automan909: "There is nothing wrong with torture if it is done to save American lives."
In other words, it's fine and dandy as long as it's done to others, right? What would become of us if everybody thought that way?
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"It's the cost of freedom."
Are you really free? You live in constant fear.
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 5 months ago
It takes courage to say what you did, and I agree.
Even though our government leans towards supporting worldwide fascism we still MUST defend our innocent citizens..
AT ALL COSTS!
I know I can sleep at night if I found out we tortured the
terror threat against Ft. Lauderdale, Boston or Oklahoma City out of someone BEFORE it happens..
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donald511 year, 5 months ago
Auto, you unscrupulous fool! So you like that the author of Dumya's torture memo debated at Notre Dame University by saying that we should crush the testacles of the son of a suspected terrorist to get the terrorist to talk? Suspected? A son mutaliated for a suspected terorist dad? How American of you and the people who still support this vile president we have!
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quackpot1 year, 5 months ago
automan,
You have a very unpatriotic faith in those who run Gitmo and in those others who may be doing the torture. Why do you trust these folks who try to hide from public scrutiny and from congressional investigations?
The founding fathers of the United States certainly did not trust such characters.
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TonyByron1 year, 5 months ago
"A training manual for Canadian diplomats lists the United States as a country where prisoners risk torture and abuse, citing interrogation techniques such as stripping prisoners, blindfolding and sleep deprivation."
Yeah, maybe if we sat down with these illegal enemy combatants over tea and cookies they would tell all they know and come to love us.
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keyfitter1 year, 5 months ago
"Respect the law"
It's comments like this one, that make me question human intelligence and the ability for independent thought.
It depends on who makes and who enforces "The Law". Hitler had a sovereign government and look what happened to six million people, who went from respecting the law to fearing it, as they were being exterminated. Don't even tell me that ALL of the German people complied with "The Law", more than they feared it.
It may not just be foreign terrorists, but American born citizens who get to enjoy government sponsored torture as well, if even some of information on the Internet is correct. Just type "U.S. government electronic torture" or "organized gang stalking" into your Google browser. Some of these websites seem to be credible.
If they are credible, then you had best be careful of what you wish on others. Someday, you just might get a taste of it, yourself.
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nikkibabe1 year, 5 months ago
Quote from "Tony Byron":
"Yeah, maybe if we sat down with these illegal enemy combatants over tea and cookies they would tell all they know and come to love us".
You cannot invade and occupy a muslim country for OIL and expect all other muslims to love you.
Your country is done with muslims. You will be in confrontation with them for decades to come.
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Endoscopy1 year, 5 months ago
nikkibabe
"You cannot invade and occupy a muslim country for OIL and expect all other muslims to love you.
Your country is done with muslims. You will be in confrontation with them for decades to come."
Where have you been for the entirety of your life. The US has been attacked by Islamo Fascists terrorists for decades. Which came first, Iraq or the two attacks on the Twin towers? How about the blowing u of embassies and barracks?
Islamo Fascists are following the example of Muhammad. Convert to Islam or die. They say they will not attack unless the they are attacked first or to attack oppression. Their definition of being attacked is having movies, radio, and television abhorant to their religion coming into contact with Muslims. Oppression to them is any country that does not have Sharia law.
They want you, nikkibabe, to convert or die. Nothing less is satisfactory. That is the model Muhammad set for them.
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Candida1 year, 5 months ago
"Canada was well aware that Omar Khadr's allegations of being tortured had a ring of truth to it. Canada has not once raised the protection of Omar Khadr when there are such serious allegations," Edney said. "What does that say to you about Canada's commitment to the rule of law and human rights? It talks on both sides of its face."
Very true. I wish the Harper government had the courage to say openly what most Canadians know anyway. Canada should speak up for the rule of law and human rights even if it means economic retaliation from the US, which it would.
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Endoscopy1 year, 5 months ago
Lets look at the dictionary.
torture
;noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.
;verb (used with object)
6. to subject to torture.
7. to afflict with severe pain of body or mind: My back is torturing me.
8. to force or extort by torture: We'll torture the truth from his lips!
9. to twist, force, or bring into some unnatural position or form: trees tortured by storms.
10. to distort or pervert (language, meaning, etc.).
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Endoscopy1 year, 5 months ago
Where in this definition does stripping prisoners, blindfolding and sleep deprivation fit. The liberals are at it again. Taking a word and changing the meaning. Our law is consistent with this dictionary definition. These techniques and others have been used for a long time and have stood the test of court. But liberals change the definition of the word in order to make being uncomfortable torture.
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SFCGuyW1 year, 5 months ago
Since even our own Congress, the US media & the public are overwhelmingly saying that we have been torturing prisoners - and since our President continues to deny such, even when faced with documents showing he authorized the use of such techniques. Why should we be surprised when other nations begin to take such steps in their own defense. We name other nations as torturers, terroristic, etc., despite their claims to the opposite. Are we so arrogant as to demand that only we can do such?
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doggammit1 year, 5 months ago
Oh la la! Somebody actually negged you that comment SFCGuyW!! Somebody is in deep denial...
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Endoscopy1 year, 5 months ago
Lets see. The liberal congressmen and the liberal media are ranting this. That makes it fact. No real facts about what was against the law just the different definition that the ranters here are using. The heck with the meaning of the words. Your definition is what counts.
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Forester1 year, 5 months ago
Geneva Convention they should be hung or shot. As for the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan this last year the Ministry of defense (Japan's equivalent of the dept of war) said that it saved lives on both sides; before he was forced to resign due to public outcry. I have exactly no sympathy for people who behead innocent civilians and show that on world TV to cause terror or wear bomb belts into shopping centers to kill women and children during the holidays; or even those that take prisoners of children and end up killing a number : notice one thing about all of these people they are muslims.
It is true that not all muslims are terrorist , but most of the terrorist are muslims.
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Natureboy1 year, 5 months ago
"It is true that not all muslims are terrorist , but most of the terrorist are muslims."
Most of the terrorists are christians in the US armed forces. They are the ones who drop daisycutters on cities and napalm on neighborhoods. Blowing yourself up in a crowded cafe is just a very small-scale act in comparison with what the US military does.
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AOL-my-crater1 year, 5 months ago
"but most of the terrorist are muslims." - just for Israely TV, not for muslims. LOL
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doggammit1 year, 5 months ago
The Japanese government - toadies that they are - would say that Forester. You ask the Japanese people what they think and you'll hear a message that sounds like the one ordinary Canadians sing. The same kind of ruling class vs. popular disconnect showed up in Spain after their big terrorist barnstorm. It's the same in Germany, Britain and many other places. If a an American economic and military gun wasn't being held to the heads of most allied ruling establishments they'd actually be responding to their own people - for a pleasant change - and American travelers wouldn't have to put up with the kinds of projected hatred I experienced in Spain a couple of years ago. Forget about the "muslims", there's lots of anti American sentiment going around in other places. Enough that it should make us stop and think what our leaders are really trying to accomplish with this phony war on terror.
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doggammit1 year, 5 months ago
Who'd want to put good beer on top of the kool aid you've been drinking? No bartender would and no bus boy would want to mop up your puke either. Right now there is no other country or alliance of countries in the world that can grab America by the neck and make her lick her own slop off the counter. It's like the old dog and gonads snipe - America get away with licking them because America can. When that day ends, so will the arrogance and the ignorance...
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Candida1 year, 5 months ago
CoolBenge: "I think the mistaken assumption is that American's really give a crap about what Canadians think."
I can assure you that Canadians are not deluding themselves that Americans give a crap about what anybody else thinks.
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slate1 year, 5 months ago
Put yourself in this situation, you are a mother or a father,,,,,,
Your 3 year old child has been abductedâ;¦.. the abductor has been apprehended by the policeâ;¦â;¦ your child is buried in a box in a remote area outside of town,,,,,, with 4 hours of air in the vault they are in.
The abductor refuses to say where your child is and takes much relish in seeing your grief, knowing that your child's death is just hours away and there is nothing that can be done to save your child.
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slate1 year, 5 months ago
One officer says, though it is no guarantee the correct information can be garnered and it may be unethical to do so. He would be willing to uses 'elevated' means to try and get information that may be able to save your child's life. The moral decision would be yours to make,,,,, try and save your child or stand by a code of 'righteousness' and have your child die in the name of that idea.
Please post Yea or Nay to torture to save your child,,,,,, I'd love to see the Results
Slate says Yea! What say you?
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berbles1 year, 5 months ago
That would be a somewhat reasonable argument on the contingencies 1) everything the tortured says is the truth and 2) if that were actually a possible course of action for domestic detainees. See, we can't torture child abductors and domestically detained criminals if it does not pertain to "national security" and therefore torture would most likely not be used even in such an extreme event.
Even in that event, you have to have some sort of moral high ground.
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BravoSierra1 year, 5 months ago
Not lies...we used secret prisons on Thailand, former Eastern Bloc countries, etc. Bush is an evil man. Even if things not as bad as are said happened...they were far enough toward the side of evil that they never should have happened. They are so far below the standard of what the US has been should be and should aspire to that Bush should have been impeached long ago.
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Candida1 year, 5 months ago
macemare: "I wonder why this country is still the only country All people want to come to...???"
Not all.
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canadianrancher571 year, 5 months ago
I wonder why we aren't on the list, we killed a Polish fellow who got a little upset and couldn't communicate with airport officials. My honest opinion is some of this crap happens up here to, Sometimes us Canadians think that our sh*t don't stink ,I think that they could have likely added just about all countries to the list.
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slate1 year, 5 months ago
You mean Canadians actually sh*t? Dang I thought they squatted and 'honeyed'.
Canada is a beutiful Country,, gorgeous ladies,,, I'm still trying to figure out why they have the holier than thou attitude when it comes to the US,,,, But hey Gorgeous ladies is always a good thing to have as a country
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TheAttacks1 year, 5 months ago
From the Article:
"We find it to be offensive for us to be on the same list with countries like Iran and China. Quite frankly it's absurd," U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins told The Associated Press. "For us to be on a list like that is just ridiculous."
He said the U.S. does not authorize or condone torture
My reaction: LOL.
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slate1 year, 5 months ago
LOL what's the matter 51 you don't like gorgeous women?
Yeah I'm a man,,, and yes gorgeous women get my attention,,, if that offends your sensibilities, I'd refer you to the saying that involves walking and a short pierâ;¦..
Show me the priciple you are refering to,,, give me data,,, I know ya love data 51,,, let's see it,,,, let's talk about the priciple about how easy it is to get into Candada by anyone from around the world,,, how bout the priciple of harboring draft dogers from another country,,,, yeah buddy,,,,, but like I said, the place is gorgeous and so are the ladies so it can't be that bad a place to visit....
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doggammit1 year, 5 months ago
Seems to me we have a major problem at our southern Mexican exposure. It would be a good thing if America covered its butt before poking it's finger into the immigration and foreign affairs of other countries.
That is your thumb you're sitting on, isn't it slate? Gives you a thrill, huh?
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TheRoseZone1 year, 5 months ago
I am very proud to be an American. What our government does to protect this country is no one's business but Americans. Let them do what they have to do. You can thank everyone involved for allowing you to sit on a computer and express your opinons, whether they are negative or not. You have the freedom to. Be thankful and if not, why are you still here?
Canadians have no problem with coming over to America for work and their country allows access to terrorist. Remember the one who got busted coming over from Canada?
Please, If terrorists took over Canada, who would they call to for help? THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
As an American, do you really care what other countries think about you? Do you really care what your neighbors think about you? Are you allowing other countries to dictate to you how you should feel? Look around you, yes America is not perfect, but it is alot better than other places.
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BravoSierra1 year, 5 months ago
you are a fool. what governments do is critical to relations among nations. It affects trade, diplomacy adn international law. Hitler exterminated 6 million Jews saying it should be no one else's business and sold it as critical to protect Germany. The test of an ethical position is whether it can withstand the scrutiny of being tested en extremis...or when carried to its extreme. Your position doesn't even need to be taken to the extreme before it falls apart. Hitler, Stalin, dozens of South American dictators...all show your positon to be immoral and self-destructive to a nation.
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donald511 year, 5 months ago
Rose, you are the ugly american in the book, The Ugly American, by Lederer & Burdick, published in '59, I believe. Don't worry though, you have lots of company with Endo and TOaD!
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Candida1 year, 5 months ago
TheRoseZone: "their country allows access to terrorist."
Have you forgotten that all 19 of the 9/11 hijackers lived in the US before their terrorist attack? So which country allows access to terrorists?
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"Remember the one who got busted coming over from Canada?"
Do you mean the one who was captured at the border because Canadian authorities alerted the border guards?
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"If terrorists took over Canada, who would they call to for help? THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA."
There is little chance of that, but no, I don't think Canada would call the US. You might not remember, but there was terrorism in Canada around 1970. It wasn't Muslim, it was homegrown, and no, Canada did not call the US to help, it dealt with it itself.
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TheRoseZone1 year, 5 months ago
OMG, obviously some of you posters don't remember Pearl Harbor, The Cole, The US embassies, oh let us not forget 9/11. Wait, how about Americans, who were civillians getting their heads knifed off?
Do you real think that all Americans think like you?
Please, what are you going to do if they knock on your door for your head? Invite them in for tea and cookies?
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doggammit1 year, 5 months ago
Put down the kool aid and start thinking for yourself. If we weren't constantly meddling in other country's economic, political and foreign affairs there would be nothing to fear - but fear itself. That's just part of the price we common folk pay for being involved in an empire. The other part is putting up with constant lies and propaganda. We could go back to being just a republic - as Ron Paul recommends BTW - and the waters of chaos would rapidly recede. It's axiomatic - logical even - but that doesn't fit into the Orwellian PNAC prospectus or the shady Dem side of this ongoing issue. So I guess we the people will just have to put up and shut up about the amount of terror our leaders bring upon this nation until someone comes up with a decent plan. It's just that simple - but there are elite elements on both sides of the aisle that want us to believe that its impossible.
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Lazloe1 year, 5 months ago
I posted your comments over on Let It All Hangout, RoseZone. They love it. The only problem is, they think you are nuts.
If you want to check it out, it's in "Blab Away Without Registering".
http://www.freepowerboards.com/horseshoes/index...
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