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Posted by: Spadecaller 1 year, 10 months agoSome say the holocaust never happened and others say anti-Semitism is only a myth.
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Spadecaller
Jan. 20, 2008, 9:20 a.m.I cannot find the words to describe my feelings about this kind of hatred, nor can I afford to remain silent.
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Poulenc
Jan. 20, 2008, 9:52 a.m.Yes, heart-wrenching and infuriating. Some people must find others to hate, to scapegoat, to feel "better than," to feel "safer" or in greater "control" or...or....or.
True--and despicable.
What "bystanders" like us can and should do is, always, to speak up. As gay activists of the 90s so trenchantly noted, silence kills.
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dexlovex2
Jan. 20, 2008, 9:53 a.m.The vandalizing and defacing of tombstones in any cemetery is wrong.
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Amazing1
Jan. 20, 2008, 9:53 a.m.What is the matter with these people who do this kind of thing? What kind of parents have fostered this kind of hatred in their children? This is beyond comprehension.
And what should be done? Making it public may only encourage like-minded idiots to do the same in their neck of the woods. This is a problem with no easy solution.
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Dicax_Maximus
Jan. 20, 2008, 10:10 a.m.Chain gang for 10 years, cleaning up graveyards, digging graves cleaning up litter, unpaid of course. I doubt if it would eradicate the problem, but it wouldn't hurt to try, who knows, it might reduce it !!!
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Tango57
Jan. 20, 2008, 10:19 a.m.I believe people who do these things or speak in that manner do so, just to hurt others. They live in ignorance without regard to truth, in other words, darkness. I also believe to live in light,"truth" is not easy. As for some denial and darkness is all they will ever know. When I relocated, about 2 weeks later at around 3 in the morning, I received a phone call. The caller announced they were the KKK and killed blacks and jews. At first I was horrified and scared. Then it occured to me, (I'm part french/native american and german)what if I had to grow up in this type of rehetoric? It really made me think of the "why".
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Beeboppin71
Jan. 20, 2008, 11:35 a.m.Ignorance breeds hatred, that breeds more hate, that breeds more hate. Elie Wiesel has stated that the only way to cure society of this disease is through education. This type of hatred is a learned behavior that must be unlearned. Hate crimes are committed against all types of people everyday. Whether you're Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Atheists, African American, Mexican, Caucasian (Yes, even whites experience hate crimes from certain groups!), Rich, Poor, Homeless, Disabled, Single working moms/dads... The list goes on. We all bleed the same. Let's educate each other about our differences and show how they enrich others lives instead of this astronomical hatred.
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Janetteddy
Jan. 20, 2008, 11:41 a.m.Hatred does nothing but breed "MORE" hatred, great article,should open alot of eyes.
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Beau7890
Jan. 20, 2008, 12:20 p.m.Anti-Semitism, along with all other forms of discrimination based on race and/or religion, are not only alive and well, but they're becoming more popular as it becomes more acceptable to denigrate "political correctness" and laws against hate crimes.
And then there's this, from last week:
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eugenegerard
Jan. 20, 2008, 12:36 p.m."Paper Clips" is a documentary that has become a part of the curriculum in a number of middle schools. I recommend that everyone views what knowledge and love can do to change hate.
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Spadecaller
Jan. 20, 2008, 1:56 p.m.Amazing, Beeboppin, Beau, Dicax Max, dexlove, Don, eugenegerard, Janet, Poulenc, and Tango ... you guys do more than share the same values; you voice them openly. I'm grateful to know people like yourselves. There was a time, when even like-minded people remained silent. We should never have to regret that kind of silence again. Thanks for sharing with me.
Paper clips were chosen as a symbol to represent the Jews that perished in the holocaust. It was selected, in part, because some people from Norway wore them on their lapels as a symbol of resistance against Nazi occupation during World War II.
I can only hope that the voices of people like yourselves will always be more numerous than the 6 million "paper clips" used to honor the Jews murdered during the holocaust.
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idov
Jan. 20, 2008, 2:20 p.m.I have been in a constant battle with hordes of anti-Semites at Reddit for the past few months. I only went there to check the stories. Unbelievable what I found there.
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canadianrancher57
Jan. 20, 2008, 2:27 p.m.Anti-Semitism has never died, It never died in Europe and it never died here in North America, Some of the vetrans that came home from the war in Europe came home more bitter toward the Jewish poeple than when they left. I have known many men who fought Against Germany and alot are upset because of stories that they were told while in Europe and most of it came down to economic situations in many of those countries. One vetran told me many years ago that the wealth that was in Europe left and came to the U.S. and Canada and soon we would see many of the people who run the country would be Jewish. These stories have been told over and over for years and when times get tough we see the results. As a percentage I'm not sure if there are more Jewish business leaders or even more Jewish politicians but people seem to think so. I beleive that we are going to see alot more trouble here in North America as economic conditions worsen.(continued)
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canadianrancher57
Jan. 20, 2008, 2:33 p.m.If this continent enters a full blown depression we will see a very sad situation in regards to anti-Semitism. One thing that I think Is good is that some schools are presenting the story of the holocast and it does help but it also causes some of the kids to question about the number of Russians who died in the war. The problem is teachers don't explain that one was a systamatic killing of a group of people by rounding them up and killing them.
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pongping
Jan. 20, 2008, 2:39 p.m.I agree with all the comments that the desecrations shown in the post are despicable and must be deplored. But why stop there? I have met Chinese who had relatives killed and shops burnt in Indonesia. I have met Russians who had family purged and sent away not to be seen again. I have known black men whose grandfathers were slaves. I have seen stories of hospitals bombed in Lebanon. I've known Southerners who had tombstones of family members toppled. I have read accounts of slaughters from Cambodia, Japan (Christians), Turkey, Africa, Gaul, Africa, and other places.
We human beings can be darn right nasty at times.
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Ciera-Marie
Jan. 20, 2008, 2:57 p.m.There is no reason for this type of behavior other than hate.
I have not heard of these types of hate crimes happening. Desecrating Jewish headstones, vandalizing them is hate pure, plain and simple. There is no excuse, no reason for it, no justification for it.
I'm not sure in the case of the teens that I agree with the parents paying restitution. Sure they're out money. What will they have learned? I would rather the teens pay not just the cost of restoring the tombstones, repairing the tombstones but all expenses related to it. That they also partake in some type of classes and/community service. Prison and jail time is understandable, warranted. I guess i just want them to pay for what they have done in a very real tangible way.
There are laws against hate crimes and they need to be enforced and upheld.
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david_nwpa
Jan. 20, 2008, 3:09 p.m.I teach high school German. Each semester I offer about 2 to 4 weeks of material to my students about the Holocaust and hate crimes that have occurred since the war. I tell my students that we must never forget the atrocities of World War II, and we must fight to assure they never happen again. With permission, I would like to use these images in class.
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Spadecaller
Jan. 20, 2008, 4:01 p.m."By the early 60s Israel sat behind the ceasefire lines of 1949, there were no so-called "occupied territories" and they only had half of Jerusalem, the two common excuses "anti-Zionists" employ today to justify their attacks, verbal and violent, on Israel.
"Yet there were "anti-Zionists" around. When one approached Martin Luther King, he saw through their horseshit right away, saying, "When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You're talking anti-Semitism."
Classic anti-Semitism, straight up calls to strike the Jews in any way possible, remained moribund, but now alongside the "anti-Zionists," others not so interested in the Middle East began denying that the Holocaust ever happened or that the figure of six million killed was a gross exaggeration."
Hyperbola is obsessed with his anti-Semitic tyrades.
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Spadecaller
Jan. 20, 2008, 4:09 p.m.Hyperbola often hides his/her anti-Semitism, which is always directed at me. Hyperbola's comments on my threads invariably are posted directly under my comments, simply because I am Jewish.
Here are examples of Hyperbola's comments directed at me:
"Are you prouds of all your jewish heritage Spade? Like the part that has robbed, killed, expelled or put in concentration camps over 7 million christians and moslems? Or this part?
Stalin's Jews
We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"
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Centinel
Jan. 20, 2008, 4:18 p.m.Anti-Semitism will remain alive and well as long as the elitist zionists, who are hated even by most jewish people, are manipulating world events as they have done for 100 years. So long as anti-semitism can be used by these zionists to foment animosity toward jews and arabs it will exist.
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Spadecaller
Jan. 20, 2008, 4:31 p.m."I decided to devote my life to telling the story [holocaust] because I felt that having survived I owe something to the dead, and anyone who does not remember betrays them again."
Elie Wiesel
This topic is about anti-Semitism and the descration of Jewish grave sites. For those like Hypebola who would only add to that desecration, I will not entertain any further dialogue. Hypebola's conduct is only a typical example of hatred for Jews. Most of us are committed to honoring human dignity and do not need to hate a particular group of people.
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markoller
Jan. 20, 2008, 4:40 p.m.Spadecaller,
You care as much about this vandalism as Stalin cared about exploitation of the proletariat. You are actually delighted by the propaganda opportunity. It allows you to vent your Jewish hatred and masquerade as an opponent of hatred. It also allows you to portray opponents of Zionism as Nazis, without saying so.
If you really oppose hatred, you might begin by condemning Zionism. Tolerant Zionism is as oxymoronic as Nazi brotherhood. At least, condemn Israel and its American quislings for blowing up the Twin Trade Towers. The official lies fool no one except the uninformed. And admit that whoever painted these swastikas and SS lightning bolts, on Jewish grave stones, were probably motivated more by sadism than hatred.
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