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Shadowolf1 year, 9 months ago
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Mindless hatred leads to more hate...what I just cannot understand is those who attempt to deny the Holocaust,as though what happened then somehow dilutes their pet peeve...Hyperbola seems to have a feud with Spadecaller;as though if he denies the Holocaust;it will somehow validate his own anger about the Palestinian Conflict...I rate that as BS-999!!! The children and grand-children of the victims have become the aggressors;(Well, some of 'em.)that does NOT render irrelevant what Hitlers Legions did...or the lessons we learned...YOU ARE NOT DOING YOUR CAUSE ANY GOOD,Hyperbola!!!
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Candida1 year, 9 months ago
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I don't see any denial of the Holocaust in hyperbola's post, quite the opposite, especially if you read the link he's provided. His point seems to be that we should learn from it, and not fall into the same traps again with different groups. As BoxMonkey points out, there have been other instances of mass murder on the basis of religion, nationality, etc. both before and after the Holocaust, and we should be aware of them and try to prevent them. Even in those concentration camps, a lot of different kinds of people died. I've personally known a Communist who had survived Dachau.
There are many ways to kill people. As horrendous as killing millions in concentration camps is, starving people to death (Ukraine), chopping them up by machetes (Rhowanda), bombing them (most wars), killing some and depriving the rest of their livelihoods (Darfur) are all horrible.
It's the mindset that leads to these horrors that we should fight against.
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slate1 year, 9 months ago
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Well said Candida,,,,, the 1940s Holocaust will not be forgotten anytime soon, and these sort of acts that happen in the present should be dealt with appropriately,,,
We all know that the Holocaust happened and that many people of different ethnic or political backgrounds died. I too think that Hyper is pointing out that he 'feels' that a holocaust is going on against those in Palestine that should be looked into as well which would be hypocritical to not look into,,,,, Looking into the allegations seems to be a fair thing to do, seeing how the world knows how bad doing such a thing against a 'people' is,,,,,,
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slate1 year, 9 months ago
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What he (hyper) says may or not be valid, but having a perspective of man's past sins against man, they (mankind) should look at the situation in Palestine with an un-jaundiced eye. If Hyper's fears are justified, I'd think any Jew worth his salt would want the Palestinians to not have to suffer the same faith their Jewish forefathers had to endure at the hands of Hitler's Legions.
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zimm1 year, 9 months ago
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What Palestinians are suffering in Gaza is the result of them firing HUNDREDS of rockets and mortars at Israel (just this week alone). Israel pulled out of Gaza and in return has received nothing but a non-stop barrage of attacks. Same thing happened when Israel left Lebanon. Hizbollah launched thousands of Kaytusha missilies. How do you make peace with those who have not given up on their dream of your destruction??
As the famous quote goes "If the Palestinians put down their weapons there would be no more violence, if Israel puts down her weapons there would be no more Israel."
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slate1 year, 9 months ago
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Hey I know of these things,,,,, and we can talk about the Chicken or the egg coming first,,,,, I support Israel and love that they know how to protect themselvels while being surrounded,,,but the point is this,,,, humans can't be indignat about unjust things only when it pertains to their own personal groups or cause, while turing a blind eye to the very same thing happening to others outside their group,,,, If only man as a whole could lay down their arms,,, what a great world it would be ,,,,, just think of all the good all the money spent on militaries around the world could do.
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tkyrchncs1 year, 9 months ago
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You show a definite pro-Israel bias here Zimm. The Palestininans in Gaza are not being left alone. They are being held prisoner.
Israel was DRIVEN from Lebanon by Hezbollah, who in in Lebanan are regarded by Muslims and Christians alike as heroes who resist foreign invasion and provide social welfare to the widows and orphans created in that country by the Israelis.
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
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Israel was DRIVEN from Lebanon by Hezbollah, who in in Lebanan are regarded by Muslims and Christians alike as heroes
Well said.
People have the right to resist and repel Israel or anyone else who invade and oppress in the name of so called freedom and democracy.
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ciscokid1271 year, 9 months ago
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Zimm what you say is true, but it is also true that the Israeli military tear down the homes of family members of attackers the effect this can have, is only to create more terrorists
I have followed this conflict for years and tried to see it from both sides and have failed, to me it seems to be 60 years of tit for tat.
While I sympathize with the Jewish people, I also wonder if I had been forced from my home in the late 40s and not been allowed to return, to what had been my country and see my family since or seen settlers tear down my home and build on what had been my families land for generation, if I would be on a hill firing rockets.
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markoller1 year, 9 months ago
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Hi Ciscokid127,
Israel has the power to tap every phone in America, including the President's. Think of the opportunities for blackmail. The whole nation can be held hostage. This story was broadcast on Fox News. Then it was squashed. Read "Is Israel Blackmailing America?" http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/01/22/... Please tell your friends.
Thanks,
Mark
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SpazMat1 year, 9 months ago
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People like me, that is, approaching 50, have a hard time looking back to things that happened in the 40. It is the whole problem with not being born yet. All those kids who are forced to live in those camp, have no home to which they can return. The were born in those camps. They are kept in those camps - not so much by the Israelis or even by the Syrians, the Lebanese, the Jordanians, and UN, who will not allow them to integrate into their countries. But mainly, they are being kept there by their fathers, who demand that they stand separate, until they get their land back. The land the kids never knew, and in most cases, that their fathers never knew.
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jdhatl1 year, 9 months ago
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Some people in Palestine are being killed, jailed, or having their homes demolished who are not firing weapons or attempting violence against the Israelis. The problem with the situation is that the entire community suffers because of the violence perpetuated by a smaller number of people. Effectively the entire population group is deemed guilty by association. Israel can do better than that. It's the extreme right in that country who have too much influence with military policy. The Israeli people also suffer greatly from this situation in which no-one seems truly motivated to make the insanity stop. It's nothing to compare with the Holocaust, but criticism of Israeli policy is a good thing, and it does not equal antisemitism.
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markoller1 year, 9 months ago
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Hi Jdhatl,
Israel has the power to tap every phone in America, including the President's. Think of the opportunities for blackmail. The whole nation can be held hostage. This story was broadcast on Fox News. Then it was squashed. Read "Is Israel Blackmailing America?" http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/01/22/... Please tell your friends.
Thanks,
Mark
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Spadecaller1 year, 9 months ago
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Candida,
The quotes below are from hyperbola and the link from where they can be reviewed. Do you justify those remarks? Personal attacks based upon my heritage?
What is this story about? Would you tell the man who is lamenting over the desceration of his father's grave, "well that happened to other people too so lets move on to something else?"
Hyperbola often hides his/her anti-Semitism, which is always directed at me, regardless of subject matter. Hyperbola's comments on my threads invariably are posted directly under my comments, simply because I am Jewish.
Here are examples of Hyperbola's comments directed at me:
"Are you prouds of all your jewish heritage Spade? Like the part that has robbed, killed, expelled or put in concentration camps over 7 million christians and moslems? Or this part?
Stalin's Jews
We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/01/14/...
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Candida1 year, 9 months ago
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I wouldn't want to defend anybody's comments in general; I was talking only about that one comment. However, I don't see his comments exactly as you do. Taking the hypothetical example you give about someone lamenting his father's grave, I see hyperbola as saying: "It's happening to other graves as well; let's do something about all of the perpetrators." I know that he expresses himself in an abrasive manner, and perhaps he sees Israel as you see Nazi Germany, which is probably insulting to you, but he is fighting against injustice too.
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
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Spadecaller
Hyperbola often hides his/her anti-Semitism, which is always directed at me, regardless of subject matter. Hyperbola's comments on my threads invariably are posted directly under my comments, simply because I am Jewish.
Spadecaller, according to my understanding Hypebola himself is a Jew or a Semite.
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