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Posted By TechnologyExpert 1 year, 9 months ago in NewsGaza City was plunged into darkness Sunday after Israel blocked the shipment of fuel that powers its only electrical plant in retaliation for persistent rocket attacks by Gaza militants.
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Thinker221 year, 9 months ago
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From the article:
>> "We have the choice to either cut electricity on babies in the maternity ward or heart surgery patients or stop operating rooms," Gaza Health Ministry official Dr. Moaiya Hassanain said.
Well, not exactly. The people of Gaza also have the choice to convince their leaders to live in peace with their Israeli neighbors.
>> A defiant Hamas said its attacks on Israel would not cease because of the sanctions.
>> "We will not raise the white flag, and we will not surrender, " Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said Sunday.
Oops! Apparently, attacking Israel is preferable for democratically elected Palestinian leadership in Gaza over both the babies in the maternity ward or heart surgery patients. If this is the case, it's NOT Israel that should be blamed for the results
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
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Oops! Apparently, attacking Israel is preferable for democratically elected Palestinian leadership in Gaza over both the babies in the maternity ward or heart surgery patients. If this is the case, it's NOT Israel that should be blamed for the results
Oops! Who says that Israel is a legitimate country which oppress and occupy Palestine? people who support this illegal entity must come forward to send them back to the countries they came from. These Zionist are an obstacle to peace among the Jews, Christians and Muslims. Hamas has the right to attack Israel because Israel is an occupier and also they build settlements everyday, they don't stop at that they oppress Palestinians everyday with the support of America, Britain and the Europe. The Israelis are illegal immigrants, the Palestinians must be given the right to decide on their fate, if they don't want the Israel in their territory they must be asked to leave, to the same destination from where they came.
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browntiger1 year, 9 months ago
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I don't understand who pays for this fuel, electricity....
I very much doubt that palestinians.... If Israel, they nutz. I would cut off any services. If UN, EU or any arab nations wants to pay - take it of own budget.
Hammas seems to have way to much money....
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AnteUp1 year, 9 months ago
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Thinker22 ~
We wouldn't want to let the other side of the story intrude.
On CNN not moments ago - their report from Jerusalem about Gaza - the one time only opening of the checkpoint to allow humanitarian supplies (oil, medicine,etc.) is being brought about because of global pressure on the Israeli government.
Also - that Israeli citizens in Sderot and other affected communities are applying pressure for the Israeli government to do something to halt the firing of the rockets.
How about Hamas' offer of a ceasefire in June 2006?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5082820.stm
Or ANOTHER ceasefire offer December 2007 which Israel refused to even discuss?
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/937196.html
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Thinker221 year, 9 months ago
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>>The regular fuel shipment from Israel did not arrive Sunday because the fuel terminal was closed, and the power plant has almost no reserves, said Rafik Maliha, director of the power plant.
>>The U.N. organization in charge of Palestinian refugees warned the blockade would drastically affect hospitals, sewage treatment and water facilities.
>>"The logic of this defies basic humanitarian standards," said Christopher Gunness, spokesman for the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, or UNRWA.
Apparently, Mr. Christopher Gunness' believes that in response to Palestinian missiles Israel has to supply fuel and electricity to Gaza thus allowing the Palestinians to build more of these missiles. No wonder this "logic" is defied.
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Dionys1 year, 9 months ago
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Three times as many Palestinians have been killed in the Israeli-Palestinian conflicts. Israel has engaged in intentional genocide in the area. Cutting off supplies (or destroying basic needs or infrastructure such as they have in Lebanon through bombing electricity or water plants, or even bridges)is par for the Israeli course. Isn't it interesting how Israeli ghettos for the Palestinians who have been in resettlement camps for generations are increasingly becoming more and more like Nazi ghettos.
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Thinker221 year, 9 months ago
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>>The British group Oxfam called Israel's cutoff "ineffective as well as unlawful." Gisha, an Israeli group that has fought the fuel cutbacks in Israel's Supreme Court, said: "Punishing Gaza's 1.5 million civilians does not stop the rocket fire. It only creates an impossible 'balance' of human suffering on both sides of the border."
I have to agree with their opinions. Much more effective (and lawful) way to stop the rocket fire would be to turn Gaza into a giant pile of rubble... just like the Allies did in Germany and Japan back in 1945.
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AnteUp1 year, 9 months ago
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Thinker22 ~
You mention Oxfam - which brings an old story to mind.
The link below is to a NYT article in 2000 that references
an event between Hillary and Suha Arafat - the infamous "kiss" - in 1999:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=...
The text below (from a blog) is a very typical diatribe on the same subject:
Hillary Clinton standing next to Suha Arafat in Ramallah while Suha Arafat accused Israelis and Jews of deliberately poisoning Palestinian children. It was a blatantly antiSemitic lie. It was basically a rehash of a claim made in the Middle Ages that Jews poisoned wells and thereby poisoned the water supply and caused the bubonic plague. After Hillary was safely back in the US and after Hillary saw the criticism that her gutlessness recived, Hillary then condemned Suha Arafat.
Boy! Did she. The Israel Lobby said, "JUMP" and Hill said,
"How high?"
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Thinker221 year, 9 months ago
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> The U.S. and Israel are good at reducing entire areas into rubble!!!!!!
Well, if you believe in your words above you'll have no troubles to list a couple of such areas Israel reduced into rubble. On the other hand, if you can not answer this question I'll have to conclude that you DO NOT believe in your own words...
The best definition of a liar is "one who does not believe in his/her own words."
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
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How do we stop the missiles from being launched into Israel?
Are the Palestinian people interested in living in peace?
No self respecting people will live in peace with an entity like Israel. Israelis are oppressors, occupiers and they have killed thousands of people and destroyed hundreds of thousands of of houses and made millions of people refugees.Until these people are allowed to return and Israel stop building those settlements and leave Palestine this problem will not be solved, If you don't solve this problem and support Israel then you won't live in peace, we have been seeing this. Muslims have no problem with the West, the problem is your support to Israel. West will only realize when something very bad happens or when the Western world become bankrupt by supporting and building Israel stronger in the region but the point is if all the Muslim countries turn their guns against Israel then that will be the end of Israel and nobody knows where it going to end.
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Thinker221 year, 9 months ago
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> How do we stop the missiles from being launched into Israel?
It is necessary to convince the Palestinian Arabs that peace is preferable over a war.
> Are the Palestinian people interested in living in peace?
No, not yet. The price of their war against Israel is low enough so they're willing to continue paying it. Only when the price Palestinians pay will become high enough for them to refuse paying it any more will peace become possible.
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Commodore11 year, 9 months ago
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The Hamas are such idiots! They won't even stop rocket attacks to help their babies and heart patients. In their arrogance they can't even consider the idea of peace. The Palestinians are really in a quandry to have such incompetent and arrogant leaders. Of course they are blaming Israel for this. The Palestinians should consider new leadership.
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crghss1 year, 9 months ago
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If Hamas doesn't kill Israeli's then Iran and Syria (and people like Daylight) won't give them any money. So they have to do what ever Iran & Syria demand at the expense of their own people. If not they are nothing and will have to get a real job. Why the world keeps funding this I have no idea. If the world stops funding both sides then they would have to make peace. The Palestinians couldn't exit without welfare.
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cherev1 year, 9 months ago
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"We have the choice to either cut electricity on babies in the maternity ward or heart surgery patients or stop operating rooms," Gaza Health Ministry official Dr. Moaiya Hassanain said."
"babies in the maternity ward" = less future terrorists
"heart surgery patients or stop operating rooms" = less current terrorists
Death to all terrorists, terrorist supporters, terrorist sympathizers, terrorist appeasers, and terrorist apologists.
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Isoparm1 year, 9 months ago
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I imagine that Hitler's supporters were just as dismissive about the suffering of Jews as you are toward Arabs.
Your's is the arrogance of the truly stupid. Because of people like you, Israel will never know peace. And sooner or later weapons of mass destruction will be used against it.
Increasingly, more and more Americans are seeing that the main cause of the problems in the ME is the occupation of Arab land by non-indigenous people who justify their crime by sharing the label "Jew". Americans are increasingly seeing the harm to our security that our support for Israel is bringing to us. As more and more Americans become aware of this, there is a strong likelihood of "blowback" against Jews in this country. Is this what you want? You should quit being so selfish and try looking at the situation from a position of objectivity for a change. Although considering your jewish indoctrination, this may not be possible for you. Try anyway.
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NelsonR1 year, 9 months ago
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Personally I give Israel credit for this act BUT
when will the Palestinians understand, Gandhi and MLK had it right with the idea of demonstrations with non violence. Is it that hard to understand? Violence begets Violence.
Is there any real sensible leader in the Arab World or is Violence the way to live?
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Endoscopy1 year, 9 months ago
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Read the life of Muhammad and you will get a better understanding of Muslims. This is the person they are supposed to emulate.
He made and broke treaties over nothing significant. He had people assassinated. He raided caravans to pay for his army. He issued decrees to a lot of tribes to convert or die. His war on the different tribes brought him an immense amount of wealth that he used again for his army. Anyone they conquered they would give him 1/5 of the possessions and the rest was split amongst the army. Jews and Christians were either killed or forced to leave the Arabian peninsula. One tribe of Jews he had the men beheaded, and the women and children taken as slaves. He made it an acceptable practice to lie to the non-Muslims.
Then you wonder why the Muslim leaders act the way they do.
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Thinker221 year, 9 months ago
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> Is there any real sensible leader in the Arab World or is Violence the way to live?
The late President of Egypt Mohammad Anwar Sadat was one such leader.
The was Jordanian King Hussein of Jordan is another such leader.
His son, King Abdullah of Jordan is committed to peace no less than his father.
Yes, there are real leaders in the Arab world. Too bad there are few of them.
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Thinker221 year, 9 months ago
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> when will the Palestinians understand, Gandhi and MLK had it right with the idea of demonstrations with non violence. Is it that hard to understand?
As a matter of fact, it is. You see, sometimes non-violent demonstrations are effective, sometimes they're not.
Do you think that a non-violent demonstration of one group of people (say, Hispanics) demanding all members of another group of people (say, Chinese) to die would result in mass suicide of the Chinese? I doubt it.
Similarly, the Palestinians demand no less than destruction of the Jewish state and elimination of Jews and I do not believe that any amount of non-violent demonstrations will cause this to happen.
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pcknowledge1 year, 9 months ago
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I expected that reply from you cherev. In any conversation, you will inevitably get personal. There is no point saying:"From my knowledge of you." I am neither a muslim, nor a Jew. I based my opinion on what I saw there. I'm not a fan of Hamas, but I'm not a fan of the IDF either.
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pcknowledge1 year, 9 months ago
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That's incorrect. Gandhi did critisize the Arabs for the methods they used. You should read what he said before you post inaccuracies. It doesn't matter wether you care or not. The methods the IDF uses are just as wrong as the methods Hamas uses.
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cherev1 year, 9 months ago
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"Gandhi did critisize the Arabs for the methods they used."
Well, you never post a reference to that. For that matter, you don't post references to where he criticized the Jews either. But it hardly matters.
In this case, the Israelis are non-violently cutting off power to the bloodthirsty and murderous Arabs. So it is safe to assume that Ghandi and you should approve.
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Thinker221 year, 9 months ago
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> The methods the IDF uses are just as wrong as the methods Hamas uses.
Can you offer BETTER methods the IDF should use to fight Palestinian terrorism and to protect Israeli lives and territory? BETTER means no less effective and no more costly, among other things.
Please consider that as long as you don't know such BETTER methods it means that the methods IDF is using are the BEST methods you know.
It makes little sense to complain that the best is not good enough.
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cherev1 year, 9 months ago
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"Gandhi's grandson went to Palestine & said he believes the Palestinians are being oppressed. "
That's different than Ghandi, isn't it? What he believes doesn't matter to me.
I believe terrorists, and anyone who does anything to promote their terrorist agenda, should be exterminated. And I don't care how violently it's done.
You, obviously, have a problem with that. Which is fine with me too.
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cherev1 year, 9 months ago
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And what does that mean? Are they the experts?
As I said, I'm interested in the preservation of Jewish lives. Evidently, Ghandi was not since he advocated non-violence in opposition to Hitler, and was content to see millions of Jews exterminated rather than advocate violence against the Nazis. His grandson appears to be cut from the same cloth.
Now, what have you done to preserve Jewish lives?
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pcknowledge1 year, 9 months ago
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"One million or more dead versus 3000. Who's the bigger terrorist?"
You should know by now that American lifes & Jewish lifes are worth much more then any other. Our government's & Israel's government's foreign policies have always reflected that. For example, I don't often see "my fellow Americans" dennouce the thousands of innocent Iraqis that have died in this Bush led war.
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cherev1 year, 9 months ago
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"You should know by now that American lifes & Jewish lifes are worth much more then any other."
Not to you, though. Not to you.
"For example, I don't often see "my fellow Americans" dennouce the thousands of innocent Iraqis that have died in this Bush led war."
Why would we denouce the Iraqis that have died? That makes as much sense as the rest of your arguments.
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crghss1 year, 9 months ago
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If Islam wouldn't have attacked the US, not just 9/11 but multiple times. Would there be a "One million" dead Iraqi's? Also that number is way to high. And most of the killing was done Arab against Arab or should I say Sunni against Shia. So who is the "terrorist"? I think that's obvious.
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Thinker221 year, 9 months ago
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> You should know by now that American lifes & Jewish lifes are worth much more then any other.
Let me put it VERY CLEAR so you will understand:
For any Israeli his/her life and the lives of his/her family members are worth MUCH MORE than the lives of ALL Arabs, Palestinian or otherwise.
Please try to explain it to the Palestinian and Arab leadership who tend to believe that somehow Israel should allow them to murder Israelis for whatever reason.
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
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This is indeed the status of state of Zionist state of Israel:
Avi Dichter
Avi Dichter was head of Shin Beth when Israel killed Saleh Shehada
An Israeli minister has canceled a visit to the UK over concerns he could be arrested on war crimes charges.
The foreign ministry said an "extreme leftist" organization was likely to file a legal complaint against Public Security Minister Avi Dichter.
He was the domestic intelligence agency chief in 2002 when Israel bombed a Hamas military leader's house killing him, his bodyguard and 15 civilians.
British law allows private citizens to file complaints of alleged war crimes.
"Minister Dichter has canceled this trip following threats of him being arrested in Great Britain. This is an intolerable situation," said his spokesman Barak Sari.
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
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He had been invited to London as keynote speaker at a counter terrorism seminar at Kings College.
The visit was called off after the UK government had been unable to guarantee him immunity, his office said, in the event of a private citizens complaint leading to an arrest warrant for war crimes.
'Mistaken attack'
The Shin Beth agency, headed by Mr Dichter between 2000 and 2005, helped plan the assassination of Hamas military commander Saleh Shehada in July 2002.
Nine children were killed in the raid. A one-tonne bomb was dropped on Mr Shehada's house. The dead included his wife and his three children.
In the face of international condemnation, including Israel's main ally the US, Israel conducted an investigation and concluded that the raid had been a "mistake".
In 2006, the Israeli army scrapped plans to send one of its generals to a course at a British military academy over fears he could be arrested on war crimes charges.
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
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A year earlier, former Gen Doron Almog narrowly avoided arrest for his involvement in the Shehada assassination. He refused to leave his aircraft after a tip-off by Israeli diplomats.
Correspondents say this is the first time an Israeli minister has canceled a visit over fears of a private citizen's complaint.
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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
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All the Israeli leaders and most of the American leaders are war criminals they are worse than the Nazi criminals. Who else in the world has the power to these criminals and put them behind bars or hang them. No one can do that except the American people. If American people are people with conscience please do not support criminals to be your leaders. God will certainly judge you, however much you may deny God's Justice, it will prevail. American support for Israel has embolden Israel to kill people at will, they are not bothered about international laws or UN sanctions because America is always there to bail them out and continue to support their terrorism in the land of the Palestinians. Even the Arab puppets in the Middle east welcome criminals like George Bush with pomp and pageantry, is a shameful to the entire Muslim world.
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walden31 year, 9 months ago
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"God will certainly judge you..."
It's an odd God that you pray to when you write stuff like this:
"Hamas has the right to attack..."
"...there is no difference between Hitler and Olmert today..."
"...they also have the right to help their fellow Muslims to drive out the Israelis lock, stock and barrel."
When you promote violence and hatred the way that you do, you should fear a just God.
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hyperbola1 year, 9 months ago
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As usual zionists out in force trying to use America to support zionist crimes against humanity. Zionist israel is every bit engaged in "master race" thinking as Hitler's Germany. Gaza and the West Bank is not so different from the Warsaw Ghetto and is motivated by the same 19th century east european racism, colonialism and totalitarianism that gave us both Hitler and Stalin. Real jews should put an end to zionism.
The Ethnic Cleansing Goes On
Do No Evil â;; It's not about a clash between Jews and Palestinians. It's matter of colonialism. Today there are opinion movements of young Jews, in Europe and in the US, who point the finger at Israel's colonialist policies and accuse it as a colonialist and racist state, not because it is a state founded by Jews."
http://www.propeller.com/viewstory/2008/01/21/t...
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Endoscopy1 year, 9 months ago
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Daylight and hyperbole are a matched pair. They promote hatred and killing by the Muslims as a just way to treat the Jew. The comments are sick and disgusting. I can understand Daylight after doing research on Islam. Hyperbola must be a affiliated with Nazi/KKK groups or something similar. He spouts their hateful rhetoric.
The facts of the horrible atrocities that are committed against Israel are just thought of as justice. Anything to counter these attacks is ranted against with hatred. That demonstrates their obvious hatred of Jews.
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cherev1 year, 9 months ago
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hyperbola1 year, 9 months ago
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Sorry endo, but unlike you I take pride in being a 14th generation american and supporting the fundamental principles of american democracy. Things like this:
"""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."""
See anything in there that gives zionists the right to ethnic cleanse the majority christian and moslem population of palestine (even today jews are only 35% of the population of palestine)?
Sorry endo, but your anti-americanism in favor of religious fascism is more than evident.
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