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Daylight1 year, 9 months ago
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Oops! Apparently, attacking Israel is preferable for democratically elected Palestinian leadership in Gaza over both the babies in the maternity ward or heart surgery patients. If this is the case, it's NOT Israel that should be blamed for the results
Oops! Who says that Israel is a legitimate country which oppress and occupy Palestine? people who support this illegal entity must come forward to send them back to the countries they came from. These Zionist are an obstacle to peace among the Jews, Christians and Muslims. Hamas has the right to attack Israel because Israel is an occupier and also they build settlements everyday, they don't stop at that they oppress Palestinians everyday with the support of America, Britain and the Europe. The Israelis are illegal immigrants, the Palestinians must be given the right to decide on their fate, if they don't want the Israel in their territory they must be asked to leave, to the same destination from where they came.
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walden31 year, 9 months ago
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idov1 year, 9 months ago
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To Daylight.
Two way sword friend. The so-called Arabs who have been there for 150 years, and they are only a corporal's guard, were the products of Turkish imperialism-colonialism. Most of them came in from Bosnia. A lot of Egyptians flooded in when the British arrived, but they are only guest workers, since they've been camping there for less than 100 years. We'll send the whole lot back to Bosnia and let them sort it out. The day of imperalism-colonialism is over, Turkey is gone, so they are nothing more than illegal squatters with no daddy. Israel has a right to attack Hamas because Hamas is the occupier on behalf of the squatters. I agree the Palestinian "Arabs" must be given the right to self-determination but in Bosnia, where they came from. I just knew you'd see the light of reason. Problem solved.
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AnteUp1 year, 9 months ago
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150 years?? I fear someone is shading the truth or has been
misinformed about how many years Arabs have existed in Palestine.
From:
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHi...
The Arab conquests: 7th century AD:
The great Christian cities of Syria and Palestine fall to the Arabs in rapid succession from AD 635. Damascus, in that year, is the first to be captured. Antioch follows in 636. And 638 brings the greatest prize of all, in Muslim terms, when Jerusalem is taken after a year's siege.
Or:
From the uber-neocon,Daniel Pipes,
"The Year the Arabs Discovered Palestine":
by Daniel Pipes
Jerusalem Post
September 13, 2000
"In fact, the Palestinian identity goes back, not to antiquity, but precisely to 1920. No "Palestinian Arab people" existed at the start of 1920 but by December it took shape in a form recognizably similar to today's."
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Endoscopy1 year, 9 months ago
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That is right. Muhammad started a war of aggression to conquer the world. They went as far as France and were stopped at Tours. They went as far as Vienna and were stopped. They went over the north Africa and down into parts of southern Africa. They went east into India. The offer was to convert, Pay a large extra tax or die. That was the example set by Muhammad in Medina and that is what the Palestinians are doing now. Following the example of Muhammad.
Particular people did however come from the places indicated. The surrounding Muslim countries did however create the Palestinian problem by refusing to allow them into their countries and live there. Jews have always lived there as well. Something that people quite often overlook.
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AnteUp1 year, 9 months ago
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Endoscopy ~
I'm almost speechless - lol.
What in the heck were the Crusades doing there?
Was that the first attempt to bring Liberty & Democracy to
the Middle East - you know, liberate them from their resources
AND their lives??
Tell me when you - out of fairness - start packing your bags
to leave and give this land back to our Native Americans?
You know - the rightful owners.
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Endoscopy1 year, 9 months ago
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Crusades. Your ignorance is showing. The emperor of the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire) wrote two letters to the Pope requesting military aid to help defend itself against the people attacking it. Guess who that was? Islam on its great 1000 year expansion. The Muslims had taken Spain, Africa, The Middle East and were expanding into the Eastern Roman Empire taking it piece by piece. The Muslims were turned back at the Battle of Tours in 732. They would not be ejected from Spain until 1492. They attacked off and on Italy and Greece. At about the time of the letters the Muslims were capturing people going on Pilgrimages and either stripping them of everything or killing them and taking everything.
Europe was in a pincer movement by the Muslims. Instead of just some Military aid the Europeans sent an army to hit at the center of Islam. Sound military strategy.
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Endoscopy1 year, 9 months ago
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ROFLMAO
" Tell me when you - out of fairness - start packing your bags to leave and give this land back to our Native Americans?"
I'll tell my multiracial children that they have to cut themselves in parts. The Black part can go to Africa, The Caucasian part can go to Europe and The Indian part can go to Asia since the Indians came here through Alaska.
You ignore the fact that many Jews have lived in Israel for 4000 years. Many came back there in the last 300 years. After Hitler and his final solution most European Jews left to go to Israel. They had had enough of Europe. Nobody was kicked out or displaced at this time. There was room for everybody. The British tried but failed to keep them out. When the UN created the countries there they made a Jewish dominated country of Israel. Jordan and other Muslim countries were created as well.
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Endoscopy1 year, 9 months ago
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The Palestinians left of their own accord after being told to by the surrounding Muslim countries. They were told that after the Jews were pushed into the sea and were killed there they would be able to take what they wanted. The war of 1948 failed. The Jews were able to keep part of what they were given. In 1967 they took back what they lost and more. I never hear any crying about what Israel lost in 1948. Why?
The Muslim countries refused to take in their brother Muslims they told to leave Israel. Why?
Why do you think that the Palestinians are created by what Israel did and not the fact that they were created by the Muslim Governments in 1948?
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hyperbola1 year, 9 months ago
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This has been known to be a lie for decades endo. Why do you keep repeating so many zionist lies?
The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict
Published by Jews for Justice in the Middle East
...Arab orders to evacuate non-existent
"The BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) monitored all Middle Eastern broadcasts throughout 1948. The records, and companion ones by a United States monitoring unit, can be seen at the British Museum. There was not a single order or appeal, or suggestion about evacuation from Palestine, from any Arab radio station, inside or outside Palestine, in 1948. There is a repeated monitored record of Arab appeals, even flat orders, to the civilians of Palestine to stay put." Erskine Childers, British researcher, quoted in Sami Hadawi, "Bitter Harvest."
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.h...
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hyperbola1 year, 9 months ago
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Nice argument endoscopy! If someone steals your house, the neighbors are responsible for lookling after you!
In the end this argument boils down to:
Anyone who likes can steal jewish property anywhere in the world - after all the jews can go to israel.
Sorry endo, but INDIVIDUALS not ideologies have rights.
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hyperbola1 year, 9 months ago
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Why should a religious discriminatory state based on the ethnic cleansing of over 7 million christians and moslems have a right to exist as a racist state?
Keep in mind that jews are only 35% of the population of Palestine. What would your reaction be if catholics in america began robbing, killing, expelling or putting in concentration camps the majority population of america AND then claimed that they had the right to exist as the nation of america? Not so different from what israel claims - don't forget that israel even discriminates against the strains of judaism that are the majority in the US.
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Thinker221 year, 9 months ago
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> "In fact, the Palestinian identity goes back, not to antiquity, but precisely to 1920. No "Palestinian Arab people" existed at the start of 1920 but by December it took shape in a form recognizably similar to today's."
Interestingly enough, neither Mr. Pipes nor anyone else knew about the "Palestinians" as a people prior to the late 1960. If it was not the case at least ONE book or article would be published about them, their unique "Palestinian" culture and their history as a recognizable "Palestinian" ethnic entity.
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x00000000091 year, 9 months ago
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Nothing wrong with a democratic elected government, but when that government abuses its power and takes over their own country from any opposition (in this case Abbas) then that is no democracy. Seems to me that we have three states over there now. Israel, Palestine (West bank), And whatever the armed militia controlled Gaza strip should be called (not Palestine). I don't see why the Palestinians don't realize that; hay wait, they are doing this to themselves by envoking a endless war that can't be won, get rid of the ones in their own territory running the show, and start working on making what they have better. In stead of constantly blaming their neighbors for their problems and trying to take from them.
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