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Posted by: Radiofreeeuropa 1 year, 11 months agoFirst of a three part series about the Propeller.com community and some suggestions regarding submissions with little or no content.
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Radiofreeeuropa
Jan. 22, 2008, 2:59 a.m.Do you agree with this proposition? Let's really have some debate about this. After all, you decide what appears on our front page. Do you want it to be a picture of a duck and 30 ads?
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BronxBomber
Jan. 22, 2008, 3:44 a.m.Excellent RFE! I had recently had to marginalize my buddy list because in time, I had learned to select just friends who have been in the old Netscape that had submitted cogent stories, and not about trivial nonsense about celebrities f doing this, and that for example. I still wonder how in the world some recent stories from newbies get on the front page at all! Plus I had to block some of those newbies who added me to they're list, and feel it is incumbent upon me to vote on theirs, and that they'll do the same for me. That's like giving me an ultimatum in a way. Certain protocols should be taken into consideration I would hope.
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Radiofreeeuropa
Jan. 22, 2008, 3:48 a.m.Hopefully we can develop a consensus about this and discourage this activity. Thanks for your comment. I'm in the same boat.
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BoxMonkey
Jan. 22, 2008, 4:12 a.m.Nice write up there Radio . If I don't read the article or thread as you say , I don't vote .I have said something in a few posts about people voting and no comments , and the reply was that the people bookmark the stories to read them later . Then a while ago there was a person who registered under quite a few names and voted thier own stories up .
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Spadecaller
Jan. 22, 2008, 4:48 a.m.Thanks for picking up the ball, RFE.
This under-the-radar spam does not serve us or Propeller well.
Competition for front page should be based on criterior that attracts and stimulates thought and interest. To some extent,our front page has become the internet rag of classified ads.
A few ads here and there don't bother me, as long as they are secondary, not obstructive, and they do not compete with the primary interest of the article submitted.
But, as you point out in your story, a picture of "a duck and 30 ads" does not belong on the front page. Besides, I don't like wasting the time to sift through all that crap.
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natashas
Jan. 22, 2008, 6:55 a.m.I think I receive over forty submissions a day to read. I have no time for all of them. Most of the time I vote for them and read them later so I do not lose the link. By than everything I would have said was said by someone else.
I do pass on voting for some submissions.
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tkyrchncs
Jan. 22, 2008, 7:26 a.m.I regularly read and comment on stories I do not vote for. My vote for an article means to me that I recommend it to the Propeller membership at large. I once, ONCE voted for a story in order to "book mark" it and it took me so long to get back to it that I still had trouble finding it! I only sink stories that I an sorry to have even looked at, or those that contain "Ann Coulter" in the title, as she is so low-class that I wish everyone would just ignore her completely whatever she says or does.
Thanks for the commentary, RFE. I'm in.
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Dicax_Maximus
Jan. 22, 2008, 7:43 a.m.RFE - Good article & excellent points raised.
Voting for the sake of it, is a waste of time and (as posted above) just clogs up the front page with garbage !!
I've only posted a couple of stories and was pleased to see them not only get to the front page, but also generate a fair amount of comment, not just white space !!!
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Bkumm
Jan. 22, 2008, 8:38 a.m.No content = No vote.
There is some information out there that is important to share that can be shared in a couple of sentences.
"The Presidential candidates are all bozos."
"Losing people to war in Iraq sucks."
"Liberals are idiots."
"Global warming is real."
But, do you need a web-site submission and three banner ads to let us know? If it's important enough that it can be summed up in just a couple of sentences, maybe there should be more analysis?
It's fine if you want to vote for Bubba865Smith's story on "Dogs that Bark", because you like dogs and you like barking. That's cool. But, if you go to Bubba's submission and it's a picture of a cartoon dog that barks once, consider carefully if you think that "deserves" to be on the Front Page. Much more importantly than that, does it really deserve your vote, your seal of approval?
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gamahuche
Jan. 22, 2008, 8:58 a.m.>>does it really deserve your vote, your seal of approval?
Exactly!
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canadianrancher57
Jan. 22, 2008, 10:02 a.m.I guess I must seem sort of anti-social as I have not added anyone to my friends list mostly because the word friend to me is a word that I use causiouly. When it come to voting, I never vote until I read the artical, but do read most that are sent to me. I think that over time we know what people are interested in and know who will be at a story. There have been at times some small stories that I have been sent that were what I would call keepers. In the last little while it seems that spammers are becoming a more visible part of our community and since I don't sink anything i just ignore them.
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tdrapeau
Jan. 22, 2008, 10:24 a.m.I read this story before voting on it - great post. What would you all think about an upgrade to Propeller that removed voting and sinking altogether?
We could change the way stories are marked popular to take into account how many people read through it, while still taking into account other items, such as age of the story, number of comments/commenters, etc.
If voting only serves to tell us on the Propeller site what you think is popular, we could streamline this by allowing you to "vote" with your eyes, by looking at the story detail page. That way, you don't have to participate in the algorithm, you can sit back and enjoy social news and commenting!
Thoughts?
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Francisca
Jan. 22, 2008, 10:28 a.m.Thanks for this story RFE! I agree with everybody. Sometimes (BB is right):that's like giving an ultimatum in a way. I haven't always time for reading entirely all the submissions...because too many in my message center, it's why I firstly choose these of the people who have the same "feeling" that mine. I never vote without having read the story and if I don't comment it's because somebody told what I wanted to say before me.
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rightfromwrong
Jan. 22, 2008, 10:30 a.m.I want decent stories on subjects with substance. These one or two lines is absurd
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djn3nunez3
Jan. 22, 2008, 10:48 a.m.I read alot more than I vote on. I try and vote on stories that I find interesting and well written. I will rarely sink a story based on content unless I feel it it contrary to known reality, or I feel is propaganda. I try and stop myself from getting into name calling spats with those I disagree with but sometimes I can't help myself.
Some good advise here in the article Ben. Keep up the good work.
Peace.
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Klarissa
Jan. 22, 2008, 11:02 a.m.Also, when the daily email from propeller states that someone adds me as a friend, I look at their bio before adding them to my list. No bio? I rarely add them.
Also, when someone has 600 or so friends I am suspicious.
Voting for a story is recommending it to others - an assumption that the recommender has read it.
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joeblowe
Jan. 22, 2008, 11:27 a.m.This is a fine idea - as a recommendation to all. I don't see how it can be enforced, however.
Personally, I don't think I've ever voted for a story I didn't at least glance through...
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tehranchik
Jan. 22, 2008, 11:48 a.m.This has been a long time coming. I'm one of those who can't always tell a good site from a bad site. I've been opening almost everything before I vote because of this problem. I do mark articles from trusted users to be read later.
I would like someone to describe an SEO site to me. Ads? lots of blogs have ads---it's not always easy to tell.
Thanks RFE, this article needs to reach all users eyes.
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getreal1
Jan. 22, 2008, 11:56 a.m.I do get tired of people tried of people trying to sell me stuff. So Radio, you got the nail on the head.
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gamahuche
Jan. 22, 2008, 12:26 p.m.I was trying my best to avoid real-life examples but this post pushed my buttons so much that I'd have liked to have sunk it to the bottom of the ocean:
http://food.propeller.com/story/2008/01/22/maki...
A blog which says absolutely NOTHING.
The full extent of the information that it offers, after a couple of warm-up tedious paragraphs is:
"You can also check out your local library or bookstore. Both locations will have a wealth of information available. If you want a more hands on approach consider checking your area for a local wine club. These clubs are usually filled with individuals that have a wealth of knowledge and experience. They often meet weekly for dinner or lunch or they may meet on a bi monthly or monthly basis depending on the type of club and how many members it has. There are also a number of magazines, which can provide you with helpful hits and menu ideas."
[Anyone know a wine-club like that in their neighbourhood?]
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