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Posted By Neophile 1 year, 9 months ago in NewsJohn McCain is the winner of Florida's GOP primary. Hillary Clinton won the state's Democratic primary.
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RedstateLib1 year, 9 months ago
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nostalgia1 year, 9 months ago
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Take a look at the high profile legislation McCain has attached his name to in the last few years
McCain-Feingold - that gave us supression of free speech and the current corrupt campaign finance regulations
Kennedy-McCain - the immigration reform debacle that didn't pass after the public learned about the details in the bill
McCain-Lieberman the carbon emissions cap and trade scheme or should I say scam?
According to an analysis by the Energy Information Administration (EIA) and the Congressional Budget Office, it would be disastrous. For example, the restrictions would likely increase energy costs by 30-50 percent, and reduce U.S. GDP by $106 billion. That amounts to a tax increase of about $1,000 on every American household.
http://eteam.ncpa.org/news/what-impact-would-mc...
Should do wonders for the economy, shouldn't it?
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earthlingerer1 year, 9 months ago
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AG was really "wishing" a winner. Choosing to listen to the old guy behind the Circle K isn't the way to pick anything.
It seems the "MSM" polls were entirely right on, for the most part.
Romney will be hit, and hard, throughout the south.
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ybdogsct1 year, 9 months ago
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SECONDCHANCE:
"The Dems are not going to win the next presidential election, there's just no way. Sorry, but we will have a Repub in 08!"
You mean just like Repubs were elected in 2006? Oh wait, the Republicans didn't win in 2006-- in fact, despite gerrymandering (a la Tom Delay) and new laws making it very difficult to unseat an incumbent, the Republican incumbent majority was booted from BOTH chambers of Congress in 2006.
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ybdogsct1 year, 9 months ago
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SECONDCHANCE:
"Don't ya know, the Repubs save their election thefts for the BIG ONE! And 08 is the big one!"
Well, in this instance, you want to act before the "Big One" because if you don't act soon, McCain will win the Republican nomination--and I think we all know just how much the "Republican base" likes John McCain.
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hyperbola1 year, 9 months ago
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Well only if you consider corruption our moderate roots.
John McCain, Hypocrite
Politics â»» McCain sold favors to jailed Savings and Loan kingpin and junk-bond racketeer Charles Keating in the S&L scandals that rocked Congress in the early '90s - costing taxpayers some $600 billion. Now, McCain is back at the same old game, this time on behalf of Cablevision.
http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/01/29/...
Don't be fooled by the myth of John McCain
Do No Evil â»» McCain is the candidate we should most avoid. His history is one of "silver spoons", academic failure, nepotism, marrying into wealth, corruption and extreme violence. McCain took huge campaign donations as "protection money" from a fraudster called Charles Keating. He has consistently supported violent suppression of democracies.
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/01/28/...
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BB641 year, 9 months ago
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Great insight, for a liberal. Let's take a hard look at what really happened. In Florida you had only one race that counted. The DNC refused to count their own votes this time, so much for the party that "cares". The GOP got screwed once again by the DNC. Most of the supposed independents who voted were probably Dems just crossing lines. McCain is a dead man walking as far as the conservative base is concerned. He's lied to us and taken stands opposing us far to many times for us to ever trust him. His winning the ticket is a guarantee win for whomever wins the DNC nomination.
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ybdogsct1 year, 9 months ago
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BB64:
"Great insight, for a liberal. The GOP got screwed once again by the DNC. Most of the supposed independents who voted were probably Dems just crossing lines."
That is POOR insight, even for a neocon. The FACT is that the Florida primary is a CLOSED PRIMARY--meaning only REGISTERED REPUBLICANS were allowed to participate in the Republican primary. McCain won because Republicans voted for him, NOT because Independents and Democrats crossed over to vote for him.
It's amazing how much misinformation you spread.
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/online/faq.shtm...
"Since Florida is a closed primary state, only voters who are registered members of the two major political parties (Republicans and Democrats) may vote for their respective party's candidates in a primary election. Registered minor political party voters and voters without party affiliation are not eligible to vote for major party candidates in a primary election."
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BB641 year, 9 months ago
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You're talking about a state that couldn't figure out who won the 2000 election by simply holding a recount of the whole state, they're goofy again. It may be closed primary, but they permitted you to declare at the polling places. It has been reported that tons of people declared the day of the election just to vote. For the big election, they will simply change parties again and vote for Obama. Did I go too fast for you or did PBS mis-report this last night?
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ybdogsct1 year, 9 months ago
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BB64:
"You're talking about a state that couldn't figure out who won the 2000 election."
A national election is different from a primary. If Florida Republicans are too incompetent to run their own primary elections, then blame falls solely on those Republicans, not on the entire state of Florida.
BB64:
"It has been reported that tons of people declared the day of the election just to vote."
This should be easy to settle as the Republican and Democratic Party both have lists of their own registered members. If, as you claim, Democrats crossed over to vote for McCain, then post documentation showing how many voters in the Republican primary had previously registered as Democrats in past primary elections. If you can't provide proof, you have nothing but empty insinuation and conspiracy theory.
FYI, Michigan Democrats didn't cross party lines in huge numbers to vote for McCain in Michigan. I don't see how Florida Democrats could be THAT much different.
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BB641 year, 9 months ago
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I've been searching NPR and PBS but I haven't been able to find the exact story. I'm not sure if they've pulled it because of an error, mis-information or even if it ended up being a bogus piece, people do lie when polled during elections. I know I heard it yesterday. I will continue to try to locate this.
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MajJohn1 year, 9 months ago
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You got a positive because of your expounding about only one election counting, an important observation. But there were no crossover or independent votes, it was a closed primary.
Let's say McCain were to run against Hillary, who do you think they'd vote for? He still has a reluctant conservative base who demographics show do vote.
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ybdogsct1 year, 9 months ago
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SAINTETIENNE:
"the Silent Majority steps in at the 11th hour and handily puts a Republican in the White House in '09."
Is this the same "Silent Majority" that propelled the Republicans to victory in the 2006 elections? Oh wait, the Republicans lost in 2006, didn't they? In fact, despite gerrymandering (a la Tom Delay) and new laws making it extremely difficult to unseat an incumbent, Republicans managed to lose the majority in BOTH chambers of Congress.
No, ICCARUS' analysis is sound. The same disillusionment that kept Republicans from going to the polls in the 2006 elections is keeping many of them at home for the 2008 primaries.
Why do you think McCain, the Republican that neocons love to hate, is winning? McCain is winning because normal Republican voters are revolting from the extreme rightwing minority that has perverted the Republican party. The "Silent Majority" has spoken--they want a moderate Republican like McCain.
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saintetienne1 year, 9 months ago
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"The "Silent Majority" has spoken--they want a moderate Republican like McCain."
Exactly my point. Which is why the Dum-o-crats don't stand a chance in '08. Put either Hillary or Foot Locker salesboy on the ballot, and that party loses.
The Democrats blew it. There are not enough people to elect either of those two amateurs into the White House.
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ybdogsct1 year, 9 months ago
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That sounds similar to what Karl Rove said immediately before Republicans were ousted from both chambers of Congress in 2006. Go ahead. Keep trumpeting your false confidence. It will only make your continued fall from grace that much more entertaining.
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RedstateLib1 year, 9 months ago
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Don't get me wrong I will still back the Democrat's this cycle. The Republicans still need a slap down for the last 7 years. But if the Democrats screw it up I will scream for their heads as well. The Republicans have had 7 years and have ******ed them away. Democrats I warn you don't make the same mistake.
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IcCaRus1 year, 9 months ago
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StillUnashamed1 year, 9 months ago
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At least with Huckabee (though not electable) we would have somewhat of a choice. If McCain wins we are guarenteed to have a Democrat in the White House. The only question is will it be the Democrat running on the Democratic ticket or will it be the Democrat running on the Republican ticket.
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StillUnashamed1 year, 9 months ago
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I do listen to talk radio some (maybe 15 minutes a day or less) but my views are my own. Actually, Limbaugh has often referred to Huckabee as the Democrat in the Rupublican race and I am a Huckabee supporter and feel he is the most Republican of the Republican candidates. But back to McCain, other than his views on the war on terror, how is he different from democrats? He agrees with the democratic position on abortion, taxes, limited free speech, illegal immigration, and gay marriage which go against the views of most republicans.
BTW, do you listen to talk radio? If you don't, then how can you make that judgment?
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BB641 year, 9 months ago
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I am not impressed with Ron at all. He talks like someone in need of help. He talks of running away from Iraq and supporting an isolationist role for this nation. Wrong, wrong, wrong. We're the last big dog with Communist China on the rise. We need to take an active roll in the world around us. We tried hiding under a rock in 1941 and it didn't work. We were pulling back before 9-11 and it didn't help. We need to make it clear to friend and foe alike, be our friend and we're your friend through thick and thin. Hurt us or one of our friends and will make your life very unhappy.
Back to Ron, with his convoluted message, it amazes me how he can get 3-4% of the vote amazes me. Then again, how anyone would vote for Hillary with Bill as baggage or that Barrack has very little experience only tells me the TV generation has taken over. 15-20 second spots, lots of name calling and the like. No actual ideas or plans. Lots of poles and decisions following the wind.
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Centinel1 year, 9 months ago
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Ron Paul is not impressive.
He is practical.
He is a strict constitutionalist.
He is for individual self government.
He is for state autonomy.
He is for limited government.
He is for a strong DEFENSE. Not OFFENSE.
He is for non-nation building. No world policing.
Non of these is remarkable nor impressive merely practical for the nation.
You want impressive. McCain is extraordinary. Just ask him.
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IcCaRus1 year, 9 months ago
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"Another talk-radio listener..."
have you heard the way rush and the other right wing propogandists, er, i mean talk radio hosts have been villifying McCain? they are raking him over the coals on every issue imaginable.
heres the funny part... those who were rudy supporters are way more likely to gravitate toward McCain than Romney. translation, McCain WILL be the republican nominee. the radio heads will have to get people to forget how bad they have been trashing him once they start to support him in the general election.
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joey-evans1 year, 9 months ago
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"I always enjoy that part."
Yeah..me too!:D
I love it when they have to eat s hit ooops, I mean their own words and praise to no end the same candidate they were trashing the week before. Loads of laughs while they spin away their own lies. Great fun! Great entertainment!
JOEY EVANS
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StillUnashamed1 year, 9 months ago
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If McCain gets the nomination (or should I say when) then this will be the first presidential election I've voted in (and I've voted in every presidential election since I was able to in 1976) in which I will go into the booth with the only objective of deciding on the lesser of two evils.
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BB641 year, 9 months ago
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I can't stand the fat guy or any of the other talkers but Still is right. John is not a conservative and never will be. He's not a friend for most of us. McCain Feingold, McCain Kennedy and the like. He's certainly a rhino at best and a closeted Democrat at worst.
If he's the nomination, I will have a very difficult time voting for him much less making any contribution to the party.
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Centinel1 year, 9 months ago
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Electable is not what this country needs! We need people in government who are "honorable" and who will "obey" the oath of office they would be required to take.
What we don't need is the best "candidate" money or the MSM can shove down our throats!
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TimALoftis1 year, 9 months ago
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Amazing downfall for Rudy considering his early polling numbers last summer and fall... He only had one issue to run on and that was 9/11. The more people saw of this man the more they disliked him.
Time Magazine is reporting that Rudy will get out of the race on Wednesday and will endorse John McCain.
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BB641 year, 9 months ago
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The left can attack Rudy all they want but I liked what he did in New York. I remember when fast Eddie Koch was running things. Crime was huge. Adult book shops all over Times Square, hookers everywhere, and the live sex shows. Rudy promised to clean things up and he did a pretty good job. You can rip on his lifestyle or infidelity but as someone who live in New York before and after, I like what he did.
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Centinel1 year, 9 months ago
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Yeah, by stealing your car for mere suspicion of solicitation or DUI. To get it back you had to sue the city in civil court. How many years do you have to that in assuming the car hasn't already been disposed of by public auction or scrap metal?
Can you say "DUE PROCESS" or the total lack thereof?. Rudy was and is a tyrant. His picture should be next to Hitler, Sadam, Lenin and Mao under tyrant in all dictionaries.
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brokennoser1 year, 9 months ago
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Clinton didn't win anything. The DNC nullified that primary as well as Michigan's. Unlike Michigan, where Clinton refused to support the DNC, other Democratic candidates were already on the ballot in Florida. Clinton broke her vow not to campaign in Florida (unless all those Clinton lawn signs were left over from 1996). Now her and hubby are pushing to make the votes count. She's a cynical political operative who'll do anything to get elected. I won't vote GOP, but I don't know if I can hold my nose tight enough to vote for her.
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joey-evans1 year, 9 months ago
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"Clinton didn't win anything."
Huh? Where have you been? She most certainly won. If it didn't matter, why else would they bother to count the votes? You jokers that say it doesn't matter make me laugh! The rest of the country know which candidate Florida voted for and as the votes tell us...Florida wants McCain and Clinton. It is time for a woman as president.
JOEY EVANS
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IcCaRus1 year, 9 months ago
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was there ever a doubt of that course of action for whoever won the atate? the way it will probably play out at the convention is that the other delegates will end up voting on whether the Fla delegation gets seated.... the candidate with the most delegates will win that vote.
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saintetienne1 year, 9 months ago
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"She simply says NOTHING about it. WHY?????"
Because she doesn't have a clue. She is in WAY over her head already. It will be fun to watch her fumble and fall over the next few months, and see Billy BJ go down with her.
And the Foot Locker salesboy can NOT get elected.
This party is FINISHED.
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nikkibabe1 year, 9 months ago
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The idiot with the "9/11" tattooed on his forehead is finally out of the running. He was the "LEAST" qualified candidate for the office after Bush. Of course, Bush did not get elected, he was appointed by his cons in the Supreme Court. As for 2004 win, the elections were rigged by Karl Rowe & Amigo Gonzo.
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IcCaRus1 year, 9 months ago
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thats possible now that edwards has dropped out. but dont count on it. he clearly aligned himself with the obama camp, attacking her, along with sen obama, as being part of the problem in washington. hed make a hell of an attorney general though. in all fairness, because of his record as a prosecutor, rudy might deserve some consideration (for atty gen) as well. he was a bulldog and went after the mafia big time.
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HCJM4Pres1 year, 9 months ago
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McCain has shown that the Republican nomination has become a one man show, and doubtful his opponents have any chance. However, I am pulling for Hillary to win the democratic nomination as well as Presidency. Though would it not be oh so interesting, to have Clinton as President and McCain as VP lol. There is always room for firsts, and McCain is closer to being a Democrat then any other candidate. Why not have a Democrat and Republican running the show?? Would certainly show the country that both parties are at least working together to improve our status as the one almighty country, and make much needed improvements through out America and the system. Just an idea.
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BB641 year, 9 months ago
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But McCain won't have the big money from the conservatives because of his stances on McCain-Feingold, illegal aliens and the like. I think McCain is the Bob Dole of this election. War hero who the press will play nice with until the election. Then it's a no holds bar free for all and McCain has as many skeletons as the Clinton's do.
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BB641 year, 9 months ago
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One man show? If he does get the nod, just wait for the press to "find" all of the secrets and skeletons in his closet. McCain isn't a very nice guy. I suspect you will see tons of stories tearing him apart. Of course not until he wins the GOP nomination.
Clinton and McCain? Not likely, Hill hates him. Who I think would be interesting would be McCain Lieberman.
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THOMNH621 year, 9 months ago
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but do we want amnesty
. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/...
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/...
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THOMNH621 year, 9 months ago
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6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/...
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/...
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.0...
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/...
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/...
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THOMNH621 year, 9 months ago
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it is actually 330 billion and thats just the surface, because after the amnesty bill goes through every relative of anyone here will be next, this number will double in weeks. Wake up Eartlingerer and stop walking through life hating bush and face the long term, better start learning spanish now
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NelsonR1 year, 9 months ago
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Centinel1 year, 9 months ago
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No that would not be bad. It might actually be a good thing. We won't know until it happens and the results are in.
Hillary is a socialist.
I haven't been able to figure out Barack's platform. However, I would choose him over Hillary. At least he hasn't been an insider long enough to be beholding to many insiders yet.
He could actually do good for the country.
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NelsonR1 year, 9 months ago
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Well it looks like Hillary and McCain,
The time is right to invest in any business conducted with illegal aliens as cheap labor. Amnesty is a fact of life so accept it as we were forced to accept this war of aggression in Iraq. The war was voted for by these two highly "experience" leaders of yore. American says one thing and our McCain & Hillary are more wiser than us.
More of the same in America, we deserve going under.
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Mdiar1 year, 9 months ago
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I think the big teller here is the turnout on the Democratic side. Even though the state had no delegates up due to holding the primary early the Democrat turnout was only slightly smaller then the GOP turnout. Of course Clinton actively campaigned in the state and is now trying to get the delegates from Florida. The real question is who would of won in Florida on the Democrat side if Obama had campaigned? Obama, not campaigning in Florida, managed to obtain 33% of the vote. That is telling. I think as time goes on and Obama campaigns more actively that people are going to begin to support him over Clinton. His Caroline Kennedy endorsement is big for crossover votes and his Ted Kennedy endorsement is big for those who look for experience. Obama, of all the candidates, has the best chance of victory. I think Edwards has a chance to play nominee maker here, as does Giuliani.
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getreal11 year, 9 months ago
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You have Hillary wrong on the illegals. She said at the rally I attended that we just can't go to every American door in the US and pick up illegals. Which is true. Are you going to let the law come in with a search warrant and search your home for an illegal when you don't have one? It's better to set up a way to round them up and deport the ones that are not legal. There was one at a convenience store not far from where I live buying beer. His identity card was a month expired and the register lady told him she could not sell him beer. He left and she ask me who you gonna call? As for the war vote the Bush Administration is mainly responsible for that. 911 put an anger in this country after all we are human beings that lost loved ones. Hillary cared about Flordia and went there anyway.
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IcCaRus1 year, 9 months ago
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Hobe-
i didnt see "english as OUR national language" legislation passed under ANY of the last SEVEN presidents, FIVE of whom were republicans. (nixon, ford, carter, reagan, bush1, clinton, bush2)
btw, i agree. we should have an official language.
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not2needy1 year, 9 months ago
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EGAD Hobe!
Bush wanted to open our borders not long after 9/11. He wanted people in the US to be required to learn Spanish so the Hispanics wouldn't have to learn English. Bush wanted to allow them to drive without license OR insurance, and wanted to fly their flag along with ours. Congress stopped him, now he's screaming about border fences, like it was his idea and Congress has been holding him up. He's a freaking joke.
That said! I'm not for Hillary Clinton, but don't try to PIN Bushies attributes on her, if anyone wanted open borders it was Bush, and if anyone wanted a possible other National Language, it was Bush.
The very least you can do is accept the responsibility of the disaster of your chosen president. You have already started trying to blame Bushies follies on the democrats, You are such a hypocrit, you actually make me ill.
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not2needy1 year, 9 months ago
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Early on i never really took McCain seriously. I was thinking that he didn't stand a chance! Thinking the country needs a change, new blood, thinking everyone knew this and thinking we would move in another direction.
See what i get for thinking????
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Eagle_Eye1 year, 9 months ago
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I know n2n, you hope and pray for real change and then you see this.....I was hoping Edwards would come out on top like McCain did but it didn't happen.. But the positive is that by dropping now and letting Clinton and Obama go at it either one could have him as their Vice President.
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not2needy1 year, 9 months ago
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It's not turning out to be pretty EE, but why did we think it would?
See Hobes comment above, why would we think there would be a change when already there are republicans trying to blame what Bush has done on the democrats before one is even nominated!!!!!!!!
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